Yes you are right but lets put it in another light, as reported by a few people
the blue chip firms in germany are only carryingon with what they have done for a long period of time, In that if the firm who is loading is a german firm ,and the vehicle is based in germany, then they willonly load if the driver concerned can communicate with the personnel in a adequate
level of speech and he can read the freight-note and the german tremcard
when the load is only for germany. as to pass the ADR exam in GERMANY
you have to do this in GERMAN not english,french.swahilli. or urdu. The
above is true as i am working in the country mentioned above as point
which was mentioned about firms working for long periods in mainland
europe, yes a large percentage of those drivers did not speak an other
language but a lot of those drivers were not taking loads off the home trade but waiting for the normal mistake that the containers could not
do the job right and sothey were given the job and no way are they cheaper
sorry not true,ask those who have waited by BASF Ludwigshafen for a
load no way did BLAKEY-or LEWIS or JONES run for peanuts and the drivers did not complain with the waiting,
Brit Pete,
The drivers who worked for these companies didnt hold a GGVS or ADR certificate in Germany, they had the same as everyone else on here, A British licence and a 5 day course. Even drivers who worked directly for Gruber took the ADR in the UK.
Gruber were giving the work to S Jones, Brit European, PE Blake and Norman Lewis. They were also giving Bulkhaul all their work too, until Bulkhaul poached the transport manager from them.
Companys such as Roos and Deitrichs lost work through this, but it was fair competition.
You are correct that the drivers didnt mind the waiting. I was out there regularly for 4 month stints, living in a truck exactly the same as the Polish drivers in the UK now.
That is why im so against all this at best Xenophobic crap or is it racist crap
Wheelnut, i am willing tobe corrected if what inow put on post is wrong
but if the person has a german licence then he needs a german ADR
it may be that the IHK will change it but from my own knowledge they do
not as the they did not reconise any of the qualifications that i had from GB
in respect with THE GERMAN BKF this is a city and guilds quailification
I had to take another test, YES the firms did get work off GRUBER but
BLAKEY got his direct from BASF because he helped them out , also
the rates were good as the Goods had to be deliveried AND THE CONTAINER traffic had no chance of doing it as good as the Guys from GB, Its not a grudge against the drivers from POLAND but it is showing in the accidents that have happened lately in GB that some of the employed drivers from the new EU countries can not drive as good, also if a person is employed as a BUS DRIVER than i expect him or her to speak the
language of the country in which they are working. this goes for lorry< drivers as well, and sorry but you can buy a licence for two pence in
poland, and also there driveing is downright dangerous as i drive in poland quite often, and they think nothing of doing 90kms on a country lane ,in a lorry, also the police here on the BAB 2 are regulary doing
drivers from poland for very serious traffic offences,
I accept a German driver needs a German ADR Pete, these drivers I am talking of are British, none of these companies employed German drivers.
PE Blake did do some direct work for BASF but that changed quite a few years ago, Gruber opened the UK office and all work was then directed through them.
There is a lot of people saying that you can buy a Polish licence for 2 pence. If anyone has any proof of this. Im sure it would be acceptable to post it on here.
And if anyone has ever taken a Polish HGV exam, maybe you should do a write up on here, There seems to be a lot of “someone told me this, someone told me that here”
If you have proof that companies are using unlicensed drivers, tell VOSA, post the names on here.
Vascoingles:
And all the British drivers who went to work in Holland and Germany a few years ago ■■? how many of them bothered to learn German or Dutch ? hardly any.All the British drivers heading to Spain to work how many of them can speak Spanish or will even bother to learn ■■?
This whole thread smacks of one rule for us and another for them
There are no rules. Just fed up British drivers seeing their profession turning into a circus. Wether or not those British drivers in whatever country they went to live in learned the language is the problem of the natives of that country to sort out. Just as I dont imagine many people in Poland having ago at their fellow Poles for not speaking English over in England, they dont give a ■■■■. At the end of the day I’m in England, not Germany, Holland or Spain and I cannot influcence in the slightest what my countrymen do whilst they are there, but what happens in England does concern me, which is why I have every right to complain about the MASS importation of Poles who dont speak English, espcially if they’re driving a bus full of passangers.
Another thing that happened this week here in good old England.
My dad was loading steel for Estron in Barnsley this week. Whilst he went to the gatehouse/hut there were 7 Dutch trucks, 5 from the same company and two others, some had Estron trailers, the others didn’t but were doing Estron work. All 7 Dutch trucks had Polish drivers. In the gatehouse you have to show your safety gear to be allowed in to load…The poles pleaded ignorant and started speaking in only Polish, a ploy which often gets them off the hook, however not this time. They were told to go away and not come back until they all had the proper safety gear. My dad went back out and into his truck, only to see all 7 Poles go back, with one set of gear between them, one would go in, show he had the stuff, and hand it to the next Pole who waited outside!!! I dont know if they actually got loaded because once inside my dad says you actually have to be wearing it when your out of the truck and if you dont, they wont touch you.
Just to make the day perfect, there were two German trucks there too. My dad being German thought he’d have a word with some countrymen…but alas it wasn’t destined to happen, because one truck had a Polish driver, the other a Turk.
robinhood_1984:
Another thing that happened this week here in good old England.
My dad went back out and into his truck, only to see all 7 Poles go back, with one set of gear between them, one would go in, show he had the stuff, and hand it to the next Pole who waited outside!!! I dont know if they actually got loaded because once inside my dad says you actually have to be wearing it when your out of the truck and if you dont, they wont touch you.
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i would have grassed them up 
So would I, Jess’s Dad 
IF gruber has used drivers payed on the german net and driveing german
lorrys .it is the same rules after 6months you have to change to a
german licence. as the EU rule says. Freund from KÖLN area had
a firm in runcorn and the lorrys were all GB regerstered until the ministrey spoke to him now all those lorrys have german plates and by
rights they must have after 6 months a german licence .or have the rules been turned around, onr way out may be to have a international licence
which was required for non EU COUNTRYS BEFORE; still some one will say if i am right or it has all changed,
robinhood84, it may have been that those two gentlemen were liveing in
germany as the country is populated with many various nations and some of these are new or are haveing problems speaking german
asone member pointed outin germany they are now attending to this problem ,after waiting so so long, and new arrivals will be given extra lessons to improve there communication abilitys, and you can be from
china.india england or france every one is giventhe chance now it seems,
reference safety equipment, yes more checks and it does not matter if yout from I or F or even RUS OR GB no kit no load and also the loadsecurity
aspect must be respected and carried out by all,
Wheelnut,not the same stuff that your necking back or the same as the poles I was parked up with in france last sunday,I say poles cause didnt see many trucks regd from elsewere. 
ADR trem card must be in english or french as the EU main lingo,and be understood in any country that the goods are crossing.What good is a trem card if the driver can not read it?
Wheel Nut:
IThere is a lot of people saying that you can buy a Polish licence for 2 pence. If anyone has any proof of this. Im sure it would be acceptable to post it on here.
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Wheelnut, Although it was about 4 years ago i know and have seen a “purchesed” Polish HGV 1 licence it cost him 200 DEM and 2 weeks later he had it exchanged for a EU licence in Germany
I dont know though if it is still possible
And no, its not mine, i got mine 24 years ago paid for by the Army 
Wheel Nut:
Most of these drivers and companies were taking work from the French, German, Dutch and Belgian drivers. They were tolerated but they were earning less than the locals.I just wonder why all of a sudden a few Slipperys come to the UK to earn decent money, we are all up in arms.
Without Asians, we wouldnt have corner shops! Without Turkey we wouldnt be able to eat Kebabs after 12 pints of lager. Without Indians we would not have curry houses. The chinese have come in handy too to feed us after the pubs close too.
They were tollerated because they were few in number, not totally taking the ■■■■ like one country in particular. But nevermind eh, we’ve got the Asians and Chinese to feed us after the pub so what does it matter if we’ve lost 50% of our continental market share in 10 years and have absoluetly disproportionate numbers of Poles coming into Britain driving down employment oppertunity for every non Pole in the country. You may even lose your job doing your trips to France to either a Polish company or a Pole doing your job, but lets look on the bright side, you can still get a Turkish kebab, I’m sure that’ll make you feel better, not that you’d even be upset ofcourse, after all, they’re only supporting their families, which is exactly what you wont be doing when you lose your job.
I cant speak for the other companies, but Neill & Brown dont and never had camped out in Europe for weeks on end, 2 weeks away was the normal maximum, more than one turn around from Zeebrugge was very unusual, and I dont see how that was taking anyones work away, it was always work from Britain to Germany or Italy.
In reply in some sort of order 
Gruber trucks are all Ludwigshafen registered, the drivers based in England driving these trucks have UK licences.
Freund bought out JJ Smith after he got caught running very long hours with fuses removed while subbing for them, the drivers were transferred to Freund in Koln because he cannot operate trucks in the UK
Froggy, Tremcards have to be written in the language of every country the load is transitting, for many years now they have used multi lingual tremcards, normally written in 10 or 12 languages when you unfold them.
Neill and Brown are collecting trailers from NSF Zeebrugge, the same as any one else, Isnt that taking traction work from the Belgians? OK I know they only normally do 2 weekends away and home on NSF on the 3rd weekend.
And Robinhood, If the poles come to Transalliance and take my cushy job, I will go out and get another one because I have a Class 1 licence and a passport
Wheel Nut:
And Robinhood, If the poles come to Transalliance and take my cushy job, I will go out and get another one because I have a Class 1 licence and a passport
its not if, its when, dear old wheelnut,
So you will just roll over and give in
Get some king back bone man and maybe when the low brows arrive you might make a stand for yourself. But then again I very much doubt it.
jessicas dad:
robinhood_1984:
Another thing that happened this week here in good old England.
My dad went back out and into his truck, only to see all 7 Poles go back, with one set of gear between them, one would go in, show he had the stuff, and hand it to the next Pole who waited outside!!! I dont know if they actually got loaded because once inside my dad says you actually have to be wearing it when your out of the truck and if you dont, they wont touch you.
.i would have grassed them up
JD come on man , after all we are all drivers together and these poor eastern blocers are only here trying to make their grey lifes alittle brighter and earn some money to send home to their poor familys who are missing their brave men folk, so what if they cant understand english , cant read or write probley in any language ,so what if all they can afford is value bake beans, (dont stand behind one) so what if they still use old spice, I say god bless these brave brave brave men .
To all our polish lurkers I say " SPIERDOLAJ COMRADES" at the top of my voice.
But then again thinking about it I would have grassed them up too before offering to give them directions to their next pick up point.
Wheel Nut:
In reply in some sort of orderGruber trucks are all Ludwigshafen registered, the drivers based in England driving these trucks have UK licences.
Freund bought out JJ Smith after he got caught running very long hours with fuses removed while subbing for them, the drivers were transferred to Freund in Koln because he cannot operate trucks in the UK
Froggy, Tremcards have to be written in the language of every country the load is transitting, for many years now they have used multi lingual tremcards, normally written in 10 or 12 languages when you unfold them.
Neill and Brown are collecting trailers from NSF Zeebrugge, the same as any one else, Isnt that taking traction work from the Belgians? OK I know they only normally do 2 weekends away and home on NSF on the 3rd weekend.
And Robinhood, If the poles come to Transalliance and take my cushy job, I will go out and get another one because I have a Class 1 licence and a passport
Neill & Browns are collecting THEIR OWN trailers at Zeebrugge so no its not Belgian traction work, its their own trailers with their own work. If they didn’t collect them from Zeebrugge, they’d only go back to Hull and have the weekend at home and take the same trailer out on Sunday’s boat anyway.
If the Poles or whoever else do take your job, what makes you think that the job you reckon you’ll walk into, hasn’t done the same? There aren’t an endless supply of jobs, there isn’t even an endless supply of bad jobs. And where exactly will you go with this passport then? Holland? Germany? Spain? I surely hope not as trucks in those countries are more commonly driven by Poles than is even the case here. If Transalliance do the dirty on you and the other British drivers like Norbert did, I think you may well find that a large number of other companies you’ld like to work for, have also done the same, leaving you with very limited options, both here and EU wide. So whilst the Poles are only supporting their families and bettering themselves etc etc etc…where exactly does that leave you? or me? or any other British driver
Wheel Nut:
In reply in some sort of orderGruber trucks are all Ludwigshafen registered, the drivers based in England driving these trucks have UK licences.
And because the German registered truck doesn’t spend most of its time in Germany, the driver of that truck is not obliged to change his licence. Which is why my dad has driven a British truck on continental with a German licence for 20 years. This is also a reason why Polish drivers are often used by W.European companies doing international work, that sort of work means it is never necesarry for the Pole to exchange his licence into any other.
I do know about what licence I need to drive my truck Robin, I think you will find it was Pete who said you cannot drive a German truck for more than 6 months without getting a German licence.
I worked for Gruber as a driver and a subcontractor for more than 10 years.
We are all entitled to work within the European Union because we are all equal members, yes, sorry, even the poles are equal now 
If I do lose my driving job there is a chance of one in Italy.
At the moment it is between a Nigerian Cardinal, a couple of others and me, Cardinal Sin
Wheel Nut:
IWe are all entitled to work within the European Union because we are all equal members, yes, sorry, even the poles are equal now
If I do lose my driving job there is a chance of one in Italy.
So we can go and work anywhere in Europe, thats nice. It would be nice if it were actually true in practice. If even the Dutch, Belgians and Germans are finding it incredibly hard to gain a decent job in their country now, they’re not likely going to be many chances for a foreigner who demands an equally high wage, not when X number of thousand Poles, Czechs and Lithuanians are also after the same jobs, offering their services for anything up to half of what you can work for.
so… after watching this thread for a while its blatantly obvious that some are resigned to it, some are rigidly against it, some just dont care, but WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?
The elections are upon us very shortly, in these days of wondrous technology send e-mails to the various liars… oooops sorry… political parties. Make your feelings known. We are a minority on the internet… tell your mates to shout about it.
DO SOMETHING… DONT JUST MOAN ABOUT IT ON HERE.
Ive been worked out of one job through cheap foreign labour. Im ■■■■ sure i wont lose another to it without a fight.
Its nothing to do with racism. Thats just a convenient means of shutting people up because there scared of being branded a bigot.
What about black drivers in england being worked out of jobs? Are they racist to complain? Protecting your industry from cheap competition is the argument… not wether they come from poland or elsewhere.
Its happening now… not in the future. And it needs regulating