trial run perhaps■■? irishexaminer.com/ireland/ru … 12161.html
How strong is the Irish Air Force?
No fast jets, but some propellor-driven Pilatus trainers.
“If you do it again Mr Putin, we’ll say don’t do it again”
dieseldog999:
trial run perhaps■■? irishexaminer.com/ireland/ru … 12161.html
It wouldn’t be any surprise to anyone with any sense that all the reasons why we needed to stay out of eastern Europe after WW2 with the agreements reached with Russia regards same are as relevant now as they were then.It seems obvious that Russia pulling out of the eastern bloc was a test and the EU and NATO failed it by moving in let alone now trying the same stunt in Ukraine.The result being a more dangerous situation than the so called ‘Cold War’. 
GasGas:
How strong is the Irish Air Force?No fast jets, but some propellor-driven Pilatus trainers.
“If you do it again Mr Putin, we’ll say don’t do it again”
Fighter jets fuelled by whiskey ,piloted by Guinness fuelled pilots = some body bout to get f##ked up
they could be intending coming over to capture the spud market for western Europe…its a well known fact that the paddys have all the spuds,and the arabs have all the oil,the reason for that is when the world was being created,…the paddys got 1st choice…
Carryfast:
dieseldog999:
trial run perhaps■■? irishexaminer.com/ireland/ru … 12161.htmlIt wouldn’t be any surprise to anyone with any sense that all the reasons why we needed to stay out of eastern Europe after WW2 with the agreements reached with Russia regards same are as relevant now as they were then.It seems obvious that Russia pulling out of the eastern bloc was a test and the EU and NATO failed it by moving in let alone now trying the same stunt in Ukraine.The result being a more dangerous situation than the so called ‘Cold War’.
There is a whiff of Trotskyism in your posts Carryfast. Putin is a thug, and is a very real threat to the west. If you are not sure about that ask the pro-western people in Crimea and Ukraine. Whilst your at it, ask the people in Estonia whether they would like a NATO presence or Russian paramilitaries?
Russian warplanes are flying along the English Channel with impunity and our other enemy actually lives here. So stop blaming western foreign policy and polluting this forum with paranoid idealistic nonsense and open your eyes to the reality.
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Off topic!?This thread is wondering around like a drunk giraffe.
It all seems to be running along the on topic lines of an un representative/realistic level of east Euro transport operations being carried out in western Europe.Which then obviously leads on to the pro v anti EU membership and the implications of eastward EU expansion,discussion.
Given the above are you completely sure about this?
Janos:
Carryfast:
dieseldog999:
trial run perhaps■■? irishexaminer.com/ireland/ru … 12161.htmlIt wouldn’t be any surprise to anyone with any sense that all the reasons why we needed to stay out of eastern Europe after WW2 with the agreements reached with Russia regards same are as relevant now as they were then.It seems obvious that Russia pulling out of the eastern bloc was a test and the EU and NATO failed it by moving in let alone now trying the same stunt in Ukraine.The result being a more dangerous situation than the so called ‘Cold War’.
There is a whiff of Trotskyism in your posts Carryfast. Putin is a thug, and is a very real threat to the west. If you are not sure about that ask the pro-western people in Crimea and Ukraine. Whilst your at it, ask the people in Estonia whether they would like a NATO presence or Russian paramilitaries?
Russian warplanes are flying along the English Channel with impunity and our other enemy actually lives here. So stop blaming western foreign policy and polluting this forum with paranoid idealistic nonsense and open your eyes to the reality.
I don’t think Farage is a Trotskyite.Nor was Churchill.It’s called realism and pragmatism and no one in the west wants to die over eastern Europe now any more than in 1945.Let alone a localised inter Russo disagreement and turf war along the lines of the Irish troubles.
As for Putin he is just another in a long line of reasonably bright Russian leaders following a typically ( understandable considering recent history ) Russian agenda.The clue in this case is that NATO showed bad faith in not leaving the Russian buffer zones as neutral de militarised states between east and west when Russia moved out.Then instead of reversing its policy in that regard it tried to add to it by putting Ukraine next on the list of EU/NATO states/members and Putin has ( understandably ) drawn a line.Feel free to cross it if you’re up for it.But don’t say that those like me never told you if/when you’re one of the unfortunate survivors left surveying what’s left of the results of the war those with your ideas will inevitably start sooner or later.
Freight Dog:
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Off topic!?This thread is wondering around like a drunk giraffe.
It all seems to be running along the on topic lines of an un representative/realistic level of east Euro transport operations being carried out in western Europe.Which then obviously leads on to the pro v anti EU membership and the implications of eastward EU expansion,discussion.
Given the above are you completely sure about this?
Eastward EU expansion and the reasons for it ( cheap labour and an erroneous change in US defence policy from one of the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction to one of ‘Containment’ by ever increasing roll back of Russia’s historical territorial 'interests/buffers to be replaced by NATO prescence ) absolutely.
Which is why we are where we are both in terms of the east Euro road transport operations invasion and a worse threat than we faced in the Cold War.
Ha ha holy ■■■■ CF you really try your best ill give you that! Given the last post re NATO policy having direct relevance on “un representative/realistic level of east Euro transport operations being carried out in western Europe” is tenuous to say the least. I dare say you’ll find a way of tieing it up.
You can pick any subject and say its related, oil prospecting in Baku during the oil boom. It all could be tied in. History links up. And I know you like your history.
Freight Dog:
Ha ha holy [zb] CF you really try your best ill give you that! Given the last post re NATO policy having direct relevance on “un representative/realistic level of east Euro transport operations being carried out in western Europe” is tenuous to say the least. I dare say you’ll find a way of tieing it up.You can pick any subject and say its related, oil prospecting in Baku during the oil boom. It all could be tied in. History links up. And I know you like your history.
It wouldn’t be unreasonable to suggest that the eastward expansion of the EU is based first and foremost on the US’s flawed defence policy re Russia with the cheap labour angle being seen as a bonus.Nor to suggest that is the reason why so many east Euro trucks are hauling so many loads around western Europe.
Alright but what contributed to flawed US defence policy during the cold war? Talk about that too, because that must be related too on that basis.
Freight Dog:
Alright but what contributed to flawed US defence policy during the cold war? Talk about that too, because that must be related too on that basis.
It seems obvious that there has been a massive change in the idea of NATO defence policy v Russia from one based on mutually assured destruction to one in which the idea that Russia can be ‘contained’ and dealt with on a conventional basis by pushing NATO’s remit eastwards is now being pushed as a realistic option. 
It seems equally clear that under the former policy there was no need for any eastward expansion of the EU/NATO.Therefore no east Euro trucks pounding the roads of western Europe hauling west European loads for less cash in terms of wages. 
As for NATO they’ve obviously learn’t nothing from Hitler’s defeat in that any front with Russia gets unviably longer North to South as you go further East and it’s a long way to Vladivostok.While if we really wanted to take Russia out conventionally then helping Germany in 1914 would have been the way to do it. 
Carryfast:
As for Putin he is just another in a long line of reasonably bright Russian leaders following a typically ( understandable considering recent history ) Russian agenda.The clue in this case is that NATO showed bad faith in not leaving the Russian buffer zones as neutral de militarised states between east and west when Russia moved out.Then instead of reversing its policy in that regard it tried to add to it by putting Ukraine next on the list of EU/NATO states/members and Putin has ( understandably ) drawn a line.Feel free to cross it if you’re up for it.But don’t say that those like me never told you if/when you’re one of the unfortunate survivors left surveying what’s left of the results of the war those with your ideas will inevitably start sooner or later.
there were no buffer zones, there were independent countries who gained independence again after the fall of the soviet union. there was no doubt even then that russia was looking to grow back into its former soviet borders after it had some time to catch its breath after the implosion of the soviet union.
Janos:
Putin is a thug, and is a very real threat to the west.
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defence against a homicidal maniac.”
― George Orwell
I blame British Leyland
You’re wrong there Luke, it’s because the trains can run on subsidized diesel and trucks can’t, or the council not erecting the correct road signs somewhere 
Change of thread direction :- ‘‘she was passing him he just changes lanes and re models the side of her car’’ to the gloom & doom of the impending and imminent nuclear wipeout.
ps. I ran over a rachet strap and ruined a tyre so I’m going to attack China
milodon:
Carryfast:
As for Putin he is just another in a long line of reasonably bright Russian leaders following a typically ( understandable considering recent history ) Russian agenda.The clue in this case is that NATO showed bad faith in not leaving the Russian buffer zones as neutral de militarised states between east and west when Russia moved out.Then instead of reversing its policy in that regard it tried to add to it by putting Ukraine next on the list of EU/NATO states/members and Putin has ( understandably ) drawn a line.Feel free to cross it if you’re up for it.But don’t say that those like me never told you if/when you’re one of the unfortunate survivors left surveying what’s left of the results of the war those with your ideas will inevitably start sooner or later.there were no buffer zones, there were independent countries who gained independence again after the fall of the soviet union. there was no doubt even then that russia was looking to grow back into its former soviet borders after it had some time to catch its breath after the implosion of the soviet union.
That isn’t exactly what was being told by ‘the West’ to people like Gorbachev and Yeltsin.At that point it was all supposedly about peace and the end of the Cold War.That was until the EU and NATO then moved in to fill the vacuum left when the Russians moved out.As I said what’s changed between 1945,when we ( rightly ) decided that it isn’t worth risking the fate of western Europe to upset Russia in its own back yard,as opposed to now.
As I’ve said the result being the lose lose situation of west European wage rates being decimated by the east Euro labour force invasion with their zb wage expectations,together with a Russia that now feels under threat by NATO.
raymundo:
You’re wrong there Luke, it’s because the trains can run on subsidized diesel and trucks can’t, or the council not erecting the correct road signs somewhereChange of thread direction :- ‘‘she was passing him he just changes lanes and re models the side of her car’’ to the gloom & doom of the impending and imminent nuclear wipeout.
ps. I ran over a rachet strap and ruined a tyre so I’m going to attack China
To be fair I don’t think I’ve said anything which isn’t just adding to the points which Harry was ( rightly ) making in keeping with the topic.
Janos:
Carryfast:
dieseldog999:
trial run perhaps■■? irishexaminer.com/ireland/ru … 12161.htmlIt wouldn’t be any surprise to anyone with any sense that all the reasons why we needed to stay out of eastern Europe after WW2 with the agreements reached with Russia regards same are as relevant now as they were then.It seems obvious that Russia pulling out of the eastern bloc was a test and the EU and NATO failed it by moving in let alone now trying the same stunt in Ukraine.The result being a more dangerous situation than the so called ‘Cold War’.
There is a whiff of Trotskyism in your posts Carryfast. Putin is a thug, and is a very real threat to the west. If you are not sure about that ask the pro-western people in Crimea and Ukraine. Whilst your at it, ask the people in Estonia whether they would like a NATO presence or Russian paramilitaries?
Russian warplanes are flying along the English Channel with impunity and our other enemy actually lives here. So stop blaming western foreign policy and polluting this forum with paranoid idealistic nonsense and open your eyes to the reality.
Good post that.
Putin suffers from lead deficiency.