You absolute arse !!
WAGES■■? Have i missed something? I remember getting wages once upon a time, i thought they’d fazed that kind of thing out. It runs a bit deeper than 18 mins over a day. But i’m afraid when it comes down to 2 trolley dolly’s fighting to get back first, well someone needs to have a quiet word with themselves. 
Newmercman…
You should not be in charge of a truck with an attitude like that.
Calm down, and think about what you write before you write it and you’ll end up looking less like a complete ■■■.
Nearly the same for me newmercman but I use the n/s indicator and ease off myself, then pull back in behind once I have opened a 2 second gap and ZB the idiot behind who don’t like it because I have no other SAFE choice.
I cannot control the gap behind me but I can control the gap in front and the speed - so I do 
And YES, I agree that the lorry on the inside lane SHOULD have eased off but how often do you see that in real life 
- and if they do then it is usually never enough for a safe pull in. 
Just a thought, are any of us really in a position to pass judgement on others?
dambuster:
You absolute arse !!
Who me
Sorry mate but if you’re going slower than another vehicle for whatever reason then YOU DO NOT speed up when you’re being overtaken, that goes against both the highway code, that’s a case of after me then you’re first & is a selfish neanderthal attitude, how difficult is it to back off & let a fellow driver complete a perfectly legitimate manouvere FFS we’re all doing the same job, it wouldn’t hurt to have a bit of common decency towards a fellow road user would it
Any proffessional driver would not do this so I have absolutely no sympathy for my ‘victims’ the sooner they learn the error of their ways the better 
MR VAIN:
Just a thought, are any of us really in a position to pass judgement on others?
Only if we are ready to have judgement passed on us
Without being judged - how do we improve thats the one big failing of our driving system in the UK - we become our own trainee, trainer and examiner 
MR VAIN:
Just a thought, are any of us really in a position to pass judgement on others?
Yes! i’m olny a noraml hgv driver, no special skills or adr, so when people drive or act like complete [zb] they should be told
Language censor dodge. Too obvious. L. 
newmercman:
dambuster:
You absolute arse !!Who me
Sorry mate but if you’re going slower than another vehicle for whatever reason then YOU DO NOT speed up when you’re being overtaken, that goes against both the highway code, that’s a case of after me then you’re first & is a selfish neanderthal attitude, how difficult is it to back off & let a fellow driver complete a perfectly legitimate manouvere
Any proffessional driver would not do this so I have absolutely no sympathy for my ‘victims’ the sooner they learn the error of their ways the better
A saying comes to mind - do 2 wrongs make a right
newmercman:
I am coming up a hill going a bit quicker than the lorry in front so I pull out & get 3/4s of the way past & then the hill levels out & all of a sudden we’re neck & neck again, THIS is bad driving on the part of the slower lorry, my response to this is to put my nearside indicator on & hopefully appeal to the other ‘drivers’ common sense, if they back off & allow me to complete my overtaking manouvere then all is well, if not I will bully my way back into the nearside lane & will wipe the flies off their windscreen with the back of my trailer, drastic action you may say but guess what? I couldn’t give a shiney [zb]It’s self pleasurers like this that give us all a bad name & I will continue to do this everytime it happens.
Cant say I agree with that.its like these ■■■■■ who fly past me fully loaded on the downhill just before an uphill stretch and expect ME to slow down and let them back in. 
Its not my problem if I know im gonna slow on the hill i slow down and pull in behind,If the hills about to level out and I know im not gonna get past someone going slower…I just pull in behind.
its the same if im empty and i see a loaded wagon about to go over the brow of a downhill stretch.I know im not gonna beat them and I’ll end up haviung to pull in behind anyway,so I dont even attempt to overtake…Its called common sense.
Its all about forward planning and YOU as the OVERTAKEE has the responsibilty to plan your overtake.
If you know its gonna take half an hour,dont do it,if you know your gonna have to rely on the other wagon to slow down then YOU as the so called “Professional” should know better.
I agree with your point about the roundabouts,especially the M25/A13 one
Another saying springs to mind, An eye for eye, although I prefer, don’t get mad, get even 
As I said ROG & all the other PROPER drivers out there, I couldn’t give a monkeys what the BAD drivers think, they are not in the same league as me both in terms of driving lorries & being a decent human being, you may think I’ve got an attitude problem but hey ho, I take my job/way of life seriously, we used to be known as knights of the road & now we’re viewed as a sub human speices, that is wholly down to people like that with their selfish attitudes & poor personal hygiene, I also don’t ■■■■ up my wheel or leave bags of rubbish in laybys/truckstops etc, maybe i’m a snob
newmercman:
maybe i’m a snob
Based on the one post I’ve read about overtaking and roundabouts, I’d be more inclined to view you as an arse, and a bully.
And that’s coming from someone that views himself as one of the most arrogant, selfish men he’s ever met.
I am writing a more full response/opinion, but it might be a little lengthy so will take time as I try to comment on the salient (to me) points within your post.
newmercman:
Oh dear we’re all getting our knickers in a twist hereThe bloke DOES have a valid point, it’s NOT the fault of the lorry in the middle lane though it’s the idiot in the nearside lane that is at fault & it gets right on my man ■■■■■
I am coming up a hill going a bit quicker than the lorry in front so I pull out & get 3/4s of the way past & then the hill levels out & all of a sudden we’re neck & neck again, THIS is bad driving on the part of the slower lorry, my response to this is to put my nearside indicator on & hopefully appeal to the other ‘drivers’ common sense, if they back off & allow me to complete my overtaking manouvere then all is well, if not I will bully my way back into the nearside lane & will wipe the flies off their windscreen with the back of my trailer, drastic action you may say but guess what? I couldn’t give a shiney s h i t
I also adopt the same method when some tossa thinks that he can drive the whole way around a multi lane roundabout in the middle lane instead of moving over into the CORRECT lane as they pass an exit
I regularly experience these situations on the M25/A13 roundabouts & the M11/A14 so if you see a silver FH overtaking you & you put your foot down & hold him out in the 2nd lane do not be surprised when you’re ‘cut up’ same applies if you think you can drive around a roundabout in the wrong lane & force me to take avoiding action, I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT, best thing to do is LEARN HOW TO DRIVE PROPERLY then you can avoid the situation in the 1st place & I will treat you like a fellow knight of the road
I just love this post
After wondering and debating it for years, i now know its the fault of the guy in lane one for everyone being held up !!! There’s someright dicks on the road hey Newmercman !!!
In the end, this will all come down to a persons BELIEFS on driving and whether they are prepared to look at their beliefs with an open mind and amend them.
If they believe that what they are doing is right, no matter what the other issues are, such as safety, then they will not budge from that belief.
It is the biggest problem on our roads today. People are taught to pass a test and then there is no more. They are expected to learn it all by ‘experience’ which usually means ‘by being influenced by the actions of others’ whether those others are right or wrong.
What is missing is the post test ‘THINKING and RISK MANAGEMENT’ part of driver training.
For anyone who wishes to look into the thinking and the belief aspects of driving, may I suggest a book called ‘Mind Driving’ by Stephen Haley BUT if you are ADAMANT that your beliefs are right - don’t bother because the author says in the front of the book that if you are that way inclined then don’t bother to read any further - well, words to that effect 
You snob Newmercman! Just kidding mate. Do we really need to keep pulling lumps out of each other?
newmercman:
I am coming up a hill going a bit quicker than the lorry in front so I pull out & get 3/4s of the way past & then the hill levels out & all of a sudden we’re neck & neck again, THIS is bad driving on the part of the slower lorry,
It could of course just simply be circumstance.
He has reached the top of the incline, and therefore, is free to return to his cruising speed. He can’t though, because somebody that has misjudged the relevant (to each other) speeds and is hell bent on being in front has the attitude of a bully and perhaps believes he has a God given right to be “first”
A little like a petulant child that believes he’s higher up the food chain than his peers on the grounds that his father earns more than the others’
newmercman:
my response to this is to put my nearside indicator on & hopefully appeal to the other ‘drivers’ common sense, if they back off & allow me to complete my overtaking manouvere then all is well,
How big of you to say all is well — if they yield to and comply with you and your way of driving
I assume you put ‘drivers’ in semicolons to indicate that you don’t view them as ‘proper’ “drivers” ■■ In that they are somehow beneath you ?
newmercman:
if not I will bully my way back into the nearside lane & will wipe the flies off their windscreen with the back of my trailer, drastic action you may say
Drastic ?
I’d call it idiotic, at best. Stupid and dangerous more like. But, to be fair — quite infitting with the attitude of ignorance and of bullying.
newmercman:
but guess what? I couldn’t give a shiney [zb]:twisted: It’s self pleasurers like this that give us all a bad name & I will continue to do this everytime it happens.
By God YES ! That certainly showed ‘em !! Regardless of any subsequent mayhem, or even death that you may cause. Directly.
newmercman:
I also adopt the same method when some [zb] thinks that he can drive the whole way around a multi lane roundabout in the middle lane instead of moving over into the CORRECT lane as they pass an exit
I have to take that as the sweeping generalisation it appears to be.
When you say “multi lane” you obviously mean more than one, but how many, I don’t/can’t know.
I would though suggest that both you and I have a re-read of the highway code. Me to see if anything has changed in recent years. You to increase your apparent understanding of lane discipline within the use of roundabouts.
newmercman:
I regularly experience these situations on the M25/A13 roundabouts & the M11/A14
I don’t know or use the M25/A13 very often so can’t speculate from memory about the lane markings. You don’t say in which direction/new direction but I’d be fairly sure that some, if not most of the lanes have dual markings of direction, changing discipline as they progress.
I do use the M11/A14 split frequently. I’m not sure there is a roundabout involved; but — I’m normally on the A14 and staying on. Either North/West bound or South/East bound.
newmercman:
so if you see a silver FH overtaking you & you put your foot down & hold him out in the 2nd lane do not be surprised when you’re ‘cut up’ same applies if you think you can drive around a roundabout in the wrong lane & force me to take avoiding action,
Do you use the semi colons around cut-up in a similar manner to indicate that you’re not really doing the wrong thing ?
The last bit of the above does though leave me with a bit of a quandary. One of my own personal benchmarks is that I do try to not force any other road user to take avoiding action, or indeed to force another road user to alter their speed or direction.
newmercman:
I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT, best thing to do is LEARN HOW TO DRIVE PROPERLY then you can avoid the situation in the 1st place & I will treat you like a fellow knight of the road
Clearly, you’re perception of “PROPER” driving is somewhat different to mine.
newmercman:
dambuster:
You absolute arse !!Who me
Yes.
You.
newmercman:
Sorry mate but if you’re going slower than another vehicle for whatever reason then YOU DO NOT speed up when you’re being overtaken, that goes against both the highway code, that’s a case of after me then you’re first & is a selfish neanderthal attitude,
Matched pretty much closely with the Neanderthal attitude exhibited by most bullies.
I doubt that we’ve ever met, or spoken; but you are correct. I don’t speed up when I’m being overtaken.
By the same token, nor do I intentionally “cut people up” putting their, and other people’s lives in danger of death.
newmercman:
how difficult is it to back off & let a fellow driver complete a perfectly legitimate manouvere
Could the legitimacy of your manoeuvre not be questioned on the grounds of you attempting to overtake at an inappropriate time/position ?
newmercman:
FFS we’re all doing the same job, it wouldn’t hurt to have a bit of common decency towards a fellow road user would it
Physician — Heal thyself
newmercman:
Any proffessional driver would not do this so I have absolutely no sympathy for my ‘victims’ the sooner they learn the error of their ways the better
Does that include learning by their, or others’ death or deaths ?
ROG:
For anyone who wishes to look into the thinking and the belief aspects of driving, may I suggest a book called ‘Mind Driving’ by Stephen Haley BUT if you are ADAMANT that your beliefs are right - don’t bother because the author says in the front of the book that if you are that way inclined then don’t bother to read any further - well, words to that effect
Thought it was while since you’ve plugged this! Are you on commission?
Just pulling you leg there Rog, I’ve got it and whilst I haven’t finished it yet (keep getting sidetracked). It is a good read.
I must confess, I’ve been on a bit of a wind up
Seriously though, why is it that we make our lives difficult, each situation is different but as some of you have said, COMMON SENSE is what’s lacking.
NO you shouldn’t be surprised when you overtake a lorry at the top of a hill & he then comes up to speed again, by making him slow down to allow you to overtake then YOU are impeding his rightful progress by making him slow down so that you can complete your manouvere.
I also do not advocate swerving in front of people leaving them no braking distance, that is downright dangerous. I did think that more of you would’ve had a rant on the subject, but it seems not 
I must confess, I’ve been on a bit of a wind up
Seriously though, why is it that we make our lives difficult, each situation is different but as some of you have said, COMMON SENSE is what’s lacking.
NO you shouldn’t be surprised when you overtake a lorry at the top of a hill & he then comes up to speed again, by making him slow down to allow you to overtake then YOU are impeding his rightful progress by making him slow down so that you can complete your manouvere.
I also do not advocate swerving in front of people leaving them no braking distance, that is downright dangerous. I did think that more of you would’ve had a rant on the subject, but it seems not
newmercman:
Seriously though, why is it that we make our lives difficult,
Human nature.