Facts about the migrants in Calais

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

I know who i’m rooting for! (I’m saying again! :open_mouth:)

Dolph, you keep going pal! :grimacing:
As long as you don’t feel the urge to kiss a shotgun, you carry on… :laughing:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

:laughing: :laughing:
I’ll pass, don’t need to argue with anyone about history, especially a western person. Even though I was very good at history in school and university.
I stand by my word that “Slavic” was Soviet invention to make us all welcome the Big brother decades ago. In the same time USSR very fast and silently put under the pillow that their culture/language and religion evolved thanks to Bulgaria. Make difference between Russia and USSR though.
Lets enjoy the game(Bayern-Milan) and a cold beer. :wink:

Dolph:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

:laughing: :laughing:
I’ll pass, don’t need to argue with anyone about history, especially a western person. Even though I was very good at history in school and university.
I stand by my word that “Slavic” was Soviet invention to make us all welcome the Big brother decades ago. In the same time USSR very fast and silently put under the pillow that their culture/language and religion evolved thanks to Bulgaria. Make difference between Russia and USSR though.
Lets enjoy the game(Bayern-Milan) and a cold beer. :wink:

I’m sorry my friend but it doesn’t work that way I’m afraid, you’ll take you’re punishment like the rest of us. Prepare to be googled with “facts” about Eastern European history by someone who’s never been anywhere near the place. Enjoy! :grimacing:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

If he thinks that WW1 was kicked off by Red Russians describing anyone on their side as ‘Slavs’ he’s already down on points. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

It’s all very simple if you join the dots.

The slavic ‘European’ countries won’t take the ‘asylum seekers’ because they understand the concept of each to their own as opposed to racism.Unfortunately by experience. :bulb: :frowning:

They are also only in the EU because it pays them to be.

The French are on the tipping point of deciding wether to ditch the bleeding heart Socialist agenda in favour of the Slavic type one regards immigration.

The Brits and ( many of ) ze Germans are still lumbered with the guilt trip of the slave trade and ■■■■ Holocaust even though we had nothing to do with the latter and the former is long forgotten history.Which both its Socialist and cheap labour agenda is taking full advantage of on the basis of if the Slavs and now the French won’t take them all and let them all in and support them we will/should/must. :unamused:

BillyHunt:

Dolph:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

:laughing: :laughing:
I’ll pass, don’t need to argue with anyone about history, especially a western person. Even though I was very good at history in school and university.
I stand by my word that “Slavic” was Soviet invention to make us all welcome the Big brother decades ago. In the same time USSR very fast and silently put under the pillow that their culture/language and religion evolved thanks to Bulgaria. Make difference between Russia and USSR though.
Lets enjoy the game(Bayern-Milan) and a cold beer. :wink:

I’m sorry my friend but it doesn’t work that way I’m afraid, you’ll take you’re punishment like the rest of us. Prepare to be googled with “facts” about Eastern European history by someone who’s never been anywhere near the place. Enjoy! :grimacing:

:smiley: Your words remind me of when people from the Balkans argue about history, we are mega pathetic at it. I’m glad that people are more and more open minded about our past and look at the future.

Carryfast:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

If he thinks that WW1 was kicked off by Red Russians describing anyone on their side as ‘Slavs’ he’s already down on points. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

It’s all very simple if you join the dots.

The slavic ‘European’ countries won’t take the ‘asylum seekers’ because they understand the concept of each to their own as opposed to racism.Unfortunately by experience. :bulb: :frowning:
Woo hoo, up & running. :laughing:

They are also only in the EU because it pays them to be.

The French are on the tipping point of deciding wether to ditch the bleeding heart Socialist agenda in favour of the Slavic type one regards immigration.

The Brits and ( many of ) ze Germans are still lumbered with the guilt trip of the slave trade and ■■■■ Holocaust even though we had nothing to do with the latter and the former is long forgotten history.Which both its Socialist and cheap labour agenda is taking full advantage of on the basis of if the Slavs and now the French won’t take them all and let them all in and support them we will/should/must. :unamused:

Woo hoo we are up & running. :grimacing:

Dolph:
I’ll pass, don’t need to argue with anyone about history, especially a western person. Even though I was very good at history in school and university.
I stand by my word that “Slavic” was Soviet invention to make us all welcome the Big brother decades ago.

Which means that Lenin would have needed a time machine to have joined Serbia against Austria and Germany in 1914 on the basis of ‘slavic’ unity. :open_mouth: :wink: :laughing:

Carryfast:

The-Snowman:
Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing:

If he thinks that WW1 was kicked off by Red Russians describing anyone on their side as ‘Slavs’ he’s already down on points. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

It’s all very simple if you join the dots.

The slavic ‘European’ countries won’t take the ‘asylum seekers’ because they understand the concept of each to their own as opposed to racism.Unfortunately by experience. :bulb: :frowning:

They are also only in the EU because it pays them to be.

The French are on the tipping point of deciding wether to ditch the bleeding heart Socialist agenda in favour of the Slavic type one regards immigration.

The Brits and ( many of ) ze Germans are still lumbered with the guilt trip of the slave trade and ■■■■ Holocaust even though we had nothing to do with the latter and the former is long forgotten history.Which both its Socialist and cheap labour agenda is taking full advantage of on the basis of if the Slavs and now the French won’t take them all and let them all in and support them we will/should/must. :unamused:

There is nothing slav in most south east european countries, its only in the minds of pseudo historians like you :laughing:
Well USA and UK bombed the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, screw up north Africa and Syria, now you tell us to take the refugees, are you mad :laughing:

P.S. We are in EU because US pushed UK to advocate for EE countries acceptance for geopolitical interest of NATO(read US). Not falling again under Russian sphere of influence etc. Tony Blair 16yrs ago was telling us from the parliament stand if we open our airspace for NATO planes to bomb Serbia our pathway to EU will be sealed… But i get things like this you don’t know.

Dolph:

BillyHunt:
Prepare to be googled with “facts” about Eastern European history by someone who’s never been anywhere near the place. Enjoy! :grimacing:

:smiley: Your words remind me of when people from the Balkans argue about history, we are mega pathetic at it. I’m glad that people are more and more open minded about our past and look at the future.

I’m guessing you mean’t ‘his’ ( my ) words.In which case you are spot on because that’s where I learn’t all I needed to know and which obviously contradicts Billy’s comments.

As for open minded being forgetting all about the lessons of the past my bet is on human nature and history.In which case don’t expect to see Bosnian Muslims and Serbs forgetting the past anytime soon.Or for that matter the same calls for the slavic European states to accept the ‘asylum seekers’ as we hear in the UK from the bleeding heart Socialist and cheap labour pro immigration agenda.

Dolph:
There is nothing slav in most south east european countries, its only in the minds of pseudo historians like you :laughing:
Well USA and UK bombed the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, screw up north Africa and Syria, now you tell us to take the refugees, are you mad :laughing:

P.S. We are in EU because US pushed UK to advocate for EE countries acceptance for geopolitical interest of NATO(read US). Not falling again under Russian sphere of influence etc. Tony Blair 16yrs ago was telling us from the parliament stand if we open our airspace for NATO planes to bomb Serbia our pathway to EU will be sealed… But i get things like this you don’t know.

To be fair you’ve conveniently missed the bit that America’s change in foreign policy is because its population lost its bottle regards the MAD defence policy and Putin knows it. :unamused:

While the change in Slavic allegiance was more a case of paying them more than Russia was prepared to keep throwing their way.

As for the influx/invasion being about us blowing up the Muslims in air attacks that just makes it more likely that the motive is more about revenge than ‘asylum’.In which case the question is why is the government so keen on letting them in instead of sending them home. :unamused:

We already accept 12 000 refugees and apprehend 6500(2014). Everyone applying and being eligible for asylum in BG is granted one. If they want to sneak across the border and apply in Western Europe is not our fault, we arrest as many as possible.
Its gonna take time for people who suffer war and ethnic cleansing to forgive, eyewitnesses and people hurt in the conflict are still alive today. There in no one alive that remembers the British slave trade or the 100 year war…

The thing that I cannot quite get my head around regarding this current ‘hysteria’ surrounding the port of Calais is . . . .

Why are there no immigrants waiting at all of the other cross channel ports?

Dolph:
We already accept 12 000 refugees and apprehend 6500(2014). Everyone applying and being eligible for asylum in BG is granted one. If they want to sneak across the border and apply in Western Europe is not our fault, we arrest as many as possible.
Its gonna take time for people who suffer war and ethnic cleansing to forgive, eyewitnesses and people hurt in the conflict are still alive today. There in no one alive that remembers the British slave trade or the 100 year war…

As they say only a fool makes exactly the same mistakes as the past and expects a different outcome.

The statement concerning so called acceptance of the immigration issue in BG seems to contradict the previous statement concerning obvious ( understandable ) resistance to it there,amongst other slavic countries,based on ethnic/cultural differences.

You’re right there is no one alive that knows anything about the British slave trade.But that doesn’t stop the bleeding heart pro immigration agenda here using it,amongst other examples of our historic imperialism,as an excuse for the need to maintain our open door immigration policy,amongst other foreign aid wealth re distribution exercises,as a form of continuing ‘amends’ for it. :unamused:

TheBorg:
The thing that I cannot quite get my head around regarding this current ‘hysteria’ surrounding the port of Calais is . . . .

Why are there no immigrants waiting at all of the other cross channel ports?

There are actually examples of immigrants trying the direct link approach falling out of aircraft wheel bays amongst other types of examples like container traffic or road transport using numerous different routes.

The issue at Calais is that it has the most frequent and numerous crossing opportunities therefore the best odds of getting in from the immigrant’s point of view.While no one seems to have fallen out of any aircraft trying to get into Eastern Europe or even France.So whatever we’re offering them,if/when they get here,it must be something a lot more than those places are offering them.

What do I do when asked by a Policemen for ID?

well like you I would probably show my license. But that is by my own choice, I could equally say to him that I have none on me and that would be ok in the law.

I like the law as it is in Britain, citizens do not have to prove who they are to a policeman, why? Because the state has no right to stop me and demand I should.

I’m not being pedantic, it may seem lie a small thing but it actually has great significance in terms of liberty

It’s like a copper stopping me and asking me questions, he has no right to do that unless he has reasonable grounds to be suspicious. I like that.

Besides we all know that ID systems get abused because they are not foolproof.

TheBorg:
The thing that I cannot quite get my head around regarding this current ‘hysteria’ surrounding the port of Calais is . . . .

Why are there no immigrants waiting at all of the other cross channel ports?

They don’t have a channel tunnel.

BillyHunt:

desypete:
well if the other country’s take in far more immigrants then the uk then i am sure they wouldn’t mind taking in the small number who seem to be causing mayhem at the crossing ?

why would any of them want to come here in the first place if they can be taken in by Germany etc ?

i dont need to read about anything in the news papers i have eyes and i can see what is happening in my town as more and more cheap imports show up each week, when is it ever going to stop?

is it ever going to stop ?

the problem with the bleeding hearts is they dont have to live with the problem so there very pro letting them in, they would soon change there turn should the impact of letting them in start to impact on there own lives,or lively hood

i think what should happen to be fair to let people who want them to be let in become there sponsors, they will have to share there home and help them with there own wages rather than try to con the rest of us to pay up for them

i can just see billy being happy to let people move in with him and share his nice income with them. i can just see billy happy to let them build a place or worship in his garden and for him to foot the bill for it ?

no i can really see billy as the type who wants them to be let in, wants them to have places of worship, wants them to all feel like there still at home by letting them take over areas rather than having to live the English way of life

BUT NOT IN HIS BACK YARD

you want them let in billy you pay for them

you only have to look at what has happend in rochdale or bradford to see what happens when large number of people who come from over seas all get settled in one area, the natives of that area move out they dont feel like they live in there own country any-more work places change english is changed slowly to what ever the mass speakers speak

this is the sort of thing that is starting to happen in many other areas hence there is a huge uptake of people who dont believe the bleeding hearts who try to post up facts and figures as those facts and figures dont take into account what they can see themselves

the nhs is over run driving is overrun towns are slowly changing were English is being lost

there the real facts of the matter its starting to affect more people now than ever before hence the bleeding hearts nutters are losing there ground and there is a growing upsurge of unrest

how big that upsurge of unrest will get i dont know ? but the more people it starts to affect the more it will grow.

the papers can print whatever they can, its gone past news papers being able to brain wash the masses, its what people are living with in there daily lives that is doing the damage and people want change

Ahh DP, if you don’t like where you live then move somewhere better, these people in Calais seem to manage doing it pretty well so I’m sure you could, just don’t move up here, we prefer more open minded, glass half full types.

in other words your not willing to put the people up in your home, nor are you willing to pay for them yourself, but your more than happy for everyone elses taxes go to pay for them.

why not send them a message billy that Germany takes in far more than we do and that they should head over to Germany instead ? surely that is the answer to this problem ? they dont need to try to cross to come to here when germany can fit them in as there is only a few thousands i am sure the Germans wouldn’t mind

We WOULD send them a message - a Referendum “OUT” result.

We’re never going to get asked though - are we?

We clearly had the WWII result overturned on appeal, and now we struggle in a similar manner to the way Germany suffered under the impositions of the Treaty of Versailles.

Nazism was the end result of such ■■■■-taking by the then foreign “victor” powers over Germany back then.

Is history going to repeat itself? - or can we appoach this with the proper level of Democracy, and stop it before it’s too late?

The Euro project has not only failed, it’s now a huge liability and a huge threat alongside NATO to peace in the world today.

Even the bible bashers have got their own set of fears over all this larger “Europe” issue.
http://www2.ministries-online.org/thenewworldorder/europe1.html

I’m curious if UK leaves EU and EU somehow remain stable and functioning, how do you imagine you life - economy, work, travel in the mainland Europe? What will happen with trade and manufacturing etc.? Will UK remain as it is or some countries(Scotland) will want out and join EU by themselves?
What will happen with the Brits living, working and owning property in EU countries? Are they going to be deported for not meeting the EU visa criteria :laughing:

Dolph:
I’m curious if UK leaves EU and EU somehow remain stable and functioning, how do you imagine you life - economy, work, travel in the mainland Europe? What will happen with trade and manufacturing etc.? Will UK remain as it is or some countries(Scotland) will want out and join EU by themselves?
What will happen with the Brits living, working and owning property in EU countries? Are they going to be deported for not meeting the EU visa criteria :laughing:

What needs to change on exit?

Let’s look at Calais as an example:
Trade routes themselves would not cease on Britain leaving the EU. The EU would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces if they embarked on some kind of blockade to British trade (an act of war!) or attempted to surcharge British Truckers passing through Calais (Ermmm… There’s few enough left as it is!)

Then there’s the issue of what is to be done with EU truckers passing through Calas to Britain, where they plough up our roads, don’t pay our road taxes, and even fuel up their supersized tanks in France where Derv is cheaper, tramp around Britain, and return without having filled up in Britain at all…

My suggest is therefore that the only punitive action that would actually HURT us from across the sea - is the kind of action that is an act of war.
IF the trade routes get broken up, then it would be easy to circumvent France outright - if it came to that.
As has been pointed out already - Zeebrugge, Oostende, Hoek van Holland, Bilbao, Rotterdam, etc. would welcome additional trade traffic to and from Britain with open arms I’m sure…

What’s more likely - is that Britain pulling out of the EU would be the final kick in the pants for France to do what needs to be done, elect their FN government, and we can sit in our armchairs watching a new French security force mow down charging immigrants armed with bricks & iron bars, etc. Once we’re no longer using Calais, the French will embark upon the hard answer being the solution to what should have always been 100% of THEIR problem from the very beginning.

Get tough, or get out.
The UK has the option of “Getting Out”. Let’s do that. Britain has the rest of the world to trade with. Calais only has England. They need us - we don’t need them. :bulb: