Facts about the migrants in Calais

Q.1: Why do they all want to come to the UK?

A: They don’t. Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.

Q.2: So why are the numbers higher than ever?

A: They’re not - according to the EU’s own figures, there were 672,000 EU asylum applications in 1992 (when there were only 15 members of the EU), compared to 626,000 last year (when the EU had grown to 28 members with a total population of 500 million). It is true, however, that numbers had dropped substantially in the interim. (Click here for the detailed figures.)

Q.3: How many actually apply for asylum in the UK?

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A: According to the latest government statistics: “There were 25,020 asylum applications in the year ending March 2015, an increase of 5% compared with the previous year (23,803). The number of applications remains low relative to the peak number of applications in 2002 (84,132).”

Q.4: Why aren’t the migrants just sent back to where they came from if they’re not genuine asylum-seekers?

A: Because often we have no way of telling where they came from. Many have no documents, either because they have destroyed them, or because they have been handed over to traffickers who have disappeared.

Q.5: But they can’t all be from Syria, can they?

A: No, but about a fifth of the total are. The other main known countries of origin are Afghanistan, Kosovo and Eritrea. The biggest increase in asylum applications last year was from Ukrainians.

Q.6: Why don’t Syria’s neighbours look after Syrian refugees?

A: They do. According to the UN, there are more than two million registered refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and another 1.7million in Turkey.

Q.7: If some of the migrants who enter the EU are genuine refugees, why don’t they apply for asylum in the first country they get to?

A: Huge numbers do exactly that: the number of applications more than doubled last year in both Italy (the main entry point for migrants who have made it across the Mediterranean) and Hungary (entry point for mainly Asian migrants who originally entered the EU from Turkey).

Q.8: So who are the ones in Calais?

A: A huge mix of nationalities, most of whom have a particular reason for wanting to get to the UK: they may have relatives or friends who are already here, they may be English-speakers who believe they’re more likely to find work here, or they may have heard that there’s already a substantial number of others from their home country who have already settled here.

Q.9: Isn’ t the real reason that they know they’ll get benefits as soon as they make it across the Channel?

A: No. According to the independent fact-checking organisation Full Fact, most citizens of non-EU countries who come to live in the UK have no recourse to public funds in the initial years after they arrive, nor are asylum-seekers eligible for welfare benefits while their claims are pending.

Q.10: So why are the media making such a huge fuss about the migrants in Calais?

A: Good question. Partly because they’re easy to find and easy to get to - and those long lines of stranded lorries make great TV pictures. So do the desperate images of desperate people risking their lives as they try to leap onto trucks or trains as they head for the Channel Tunnel. And also, of course, because the story feeds into the current debate about the UK’s membership of the EU and overall immigration policy. (Plus parliament is on holiday and we’re all bored to tears with the Labour leadership contest.)

Do I have the answer to the global migration crisis? No, but here are some suggestions that might help: set up proper, EU-run processing centres at the main entry points: southern Italy, Greece, Hungary. Genuine refugees should be offered asylum according to an agreed quota calculated according to population and GDP. Those deemed non-eligible for asylum would be offered a choice: wait in a camp until your number comes up, and then go where you’re sent – or go home.

The tragedy is that so many people are so desperate that they’re prepared to die in an attempt to find a safe place to live. And our response is so blinkered that all we can think of is building higher fences.

Can’t be Rsd to read this but thanks comrade.

seems about right with what i read…

Scare mongering by Daily Fail. and red tops.

Guardian more open i think…

Guardian

Women in calais camps

You do realise that all that information will be regarded as made up lies by the government don’t you? I feel the comments such as, pro immigration bs, bleeding heart con/lab/EU scam are just about to land. Personally I cannot wait :laughing:

Yoni:
Do I have the answer to the global migration crisis? No, but here are some suggestions that might help: set up proper, EU-run processing centres at the main entry points: southern Italy, Greece, Hungary. Genuine refugees should be offered asylum according to an agreed quota calculated according to population and GDP. Those deemed non-eligible for asylum would be offered a choice: wait in a camp until your number comes up, and then go where you’re sent – or go home.

I had arguments to all your other points till I saw this one. And it is a reasonable idea but for one thing
Why do we need to set up camps etc? Why not make them stay where they are and apply from there? (except from actual problem countries for those fleeing wars,ethnic cleansing etc)
Why let them migrate then be expected to feed them etc?

Yoni:
The tragedy is that so many people are so desperate that they’re prepared to die in an attempt to find a safe place to live. And our response is so blinkered that all we can think of is building higher fences.

Its not a tragedy. Its just not my problem. If they live in a ■■■■ hole country,its dont see why its my responsibility,when im getting told to tighten my belt for austerity and public services are being cut and all the other cost cutting measures the government are implementing, that I have a “duty” to feed and clothe hundreds of thousands of migrants from the taxes I pay. Let them apply the same way that all the Brits going to Spain (that you left wingers love to inform us of the huge numbers that move there) by filling in the forms,proving they can bring something to the table and WAITING on an answer and accepting it. NOT coming here anyway on the back of a lorry then saying “feed me,I have no money or a place to stay”.
As I said a few days ago on here (and to you the last time you were on) the guy in my streets house burned down. That was a tragedy for him but its not my problem or responsibility to look after him

And what about all those we know nothing about who haven’t claimed asylum yet? how many are really here already? and with no papers we don’t know who they really are or where they are from, they should be deported

More Socialist and Con party propaganda bs than ‘facts’. :unamused:

Carryfast:
More Socialist and Con party propaganda bs than ‘facts’. :unamused:

Kerching! We have a winner, how unexpected was this post?
Change the record, this ones well worn out now.

If we as British, (English Scottish,welsh,or northern Irish ) people need to claim benefits which are means tested we need to produce some proof . or we are subjected to tests to see if we meet the criteria for getting those benefits , Why Should these rules be relaxed for those who arrive on our shores cap in hand?
There is no proof that the majority of these illegals come from war zones or that they are fleeing persecution, when they cannot substantiate where they are from and who they are ,But yet we have some who think this is not important and should be overlooked,

We need to be sure that they are genuine and not bogus without any ID there is no way of doing this, So no asylum, it’s too late once they are here , because they don’t get deported, so easier and cheaper to prevent them getting here,
Some of the would be asylum seekers have been brainwashed into thinking that they have the rights to come here and be looked after

BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
More Socialist and Con party propaganda bs than ‘facts’. :unamused:

Kerching! We have a winner, how unexpected was this post?
Change the record, this ones well worn out now.

I could have said exactly the same about all the typical pro immigration propaganda posted at the start.

tommy t:
If we as British, (English Scottish,welsh,or northern Irish ) people need to claim benefits which are means tested we need to produce some proof . or we are subjected to tests to see if we meet the criteria for getting those benefits , Why Should these rules be relaxed for those who arrive on our shores cap in hand?
There is no proof that the majority of these illegals come from war zones or that they are fleeing persecution, when they cannot substantiate where they are from and who they are ,But yet we have some who think this is not important and should be overlooked,

We need to be sure that they are genuine and not bogus without any ID there is no way of doing this, So no asylum, it’s too late once they are here , because they don’t get deported, so easier and cheaper to prevent them getting here,
Some of the would be asylum seekers have been brainwashed into thinking that they have the rights to come here and be looked after

It seems obvious that no asylum seeker would need to go to all the aggro of getting to this over populated Island to find a safe place.As for war zones maybe even the so called ‘asylum seekers’ need to stand their ground and fight for what is right.Just as previous generations of Brits etc have had to do rather than run.

As for the economic migrants leaving their own places to get here.It’s ‘because’ they know that we don’t deport them when they get in which is why they keep trying.

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:

Carryfast:
More Socialist and Con party propaganda bs than ‘facts’. :unamused:

Kerching! We have a winner, how unexpected was this post?
Change the record, this ones well worn out now.

I could have said exactly the same about all the typical pro immigration propaganda posted at the start.

No need to apologise, I knew you would come through, you cannot help yourself.

Yes any genuine asylum seeker would be happy in the first safe country they came to, and many are happy doing that, But the ones we see at calais have been fed so much pro migration bs, and have either been duped by people traffickers , or are bogus and fleeing nothing but think the uk owes them a better lifestyle, But as none have ID we are unable to distinguish between them, So we have to refuse to allow them entry , if they ain’t happy in France they had better move on to Belgium or Germany or return home

Seen as how our foreign adventures over the past 15 yrs (Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya) have contributed to the problem, to then complain when the results land on our doorstep is irresponsible to the extreme!

andy12:
Seen as how our foreign adventures over the past 15 yrs (Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya) have contributed to the problem, to then complain when the results land on our doorstep is irresponsible to the extreme!

We do not know where these people are coming from they can claim to be from where they want, but without some conclusive proof they don’t get in , and the British forces did not do any of those in my names, like many we didn’t get any say, therefore we /i shouldn’t have to pay for their upkeep in our taxes,and there are mirad of other reasons for not wanting them here

andy12:
Seen as how our foreign adventures over the past 15 yrs (Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya) to then complain when the results land on our doorstep is irresponsible to the extreme!

According to all the propaganda told to the families of our casualties lost in Afghan they left it a safer better place for its inhabitants while also keeping us safe from the terrorist threat. :unamused:

As for the idea that all those ‘landing on our doorstep’ are connected with the arguable actions in Iraq etc.Based on exactly what evidence.As opposed to economic migrants from numerous different areas.While even if they were why offer our own country on a plate to our enemies possibly seeking revenge in that case. :unamused:

tommy t:
And what about all those we know nothing about who haven’t claimed asylum yet? how many are really here already? and with no papers we don’t know who they really are or where they are from, they should be deported

And with no papers, they will be deported.

And don’t get benefits as no papers.

Yoni:
Q.1: Why do they all want to come to the UK?

A: They don’t. Far more migrants head for Germany and Sweden, which dealt with nearly half of all asylum applications into the EU last year. The ones at Calais are a tiny fraction of the overall number, probably no more than 3,000 out of a total of well over 175,000 who have entered the EU so far this year.

Germany is a country that’s doubled in size since reunification. This creates a huge localized shortage of workers in many areas. German property prices have been doing since reunification what our house prices have been doing since the credit crunch. Too many people, and overpriced rents due to accommodation shortage. The net result is that Germans feel “Overcrowded”. Wir Brauchen Lebensraum

Q.2: So why are the numbers higher than ever?
The gulf between the economies of the third world and the west has widened. Less third worlders are dying from natural disasters & civil wars (oddly enough) than 20 years ago, so there are now a glut of third worlders who are well-nourished, have the designer gear and Iphones - but no job or prospects back in their home country.

A: They’re not - according to the EU’s own figures, there were 672,000 EU asylum applications in 1992 (when there were only 15 members of the EU), compared to 626,000 last year (when the EU had grown to 28 members with a total population of 500 million). It is true, however, that numbers had dropped substantially in the interim. (Click here for the detailed figures.)

Q.3: How many actually apply for asylum in the UK?
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A: According to the latest government statistics: “There were 25,020 asylum applications in the year ending March 2015, an increase of 5% compared with the previous year (23,803). The number of applications remains low relative to the peak number of applications in 2002 (84,132).”

Q.4: Why aren’t the migrants just sent back to where they came from if they’re not genuine asylum-seekers?

A: Because often we have no way of telling where they came from. Many have no documents, either because they have destroyed them, or because they have been handed over to traffickers who have disappeared. Can’t argue with this one.
Q.5: But they can’t all be from Syria, can they?

A: No, but about a fifth of the total are. The other main known countries of origin are Afghanistan, Kosovo and Eritrea. The biggest increase in asylum applications last year was from Ukrainians.

Q.6: Why don’t Syria’s neighbours look after Syrian refugees?

A: They do. According to the UN, there are more than two million registered refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Iraq, and another 1.7million in Turkey.

Q.7: If some of the migrants who enter the EU are genuine refugees, why don’t they apply for asylum in the first country they get to?

A: Huge numbers do exactly that: the number of applications more than doubled last year in both Italy (the main entry point for migrants who have made it across the Mediterranean) and Hungary (entry point for mainly Asian migrants who originally entered the EU from Turkey).

Q.8: So who are the ones in Calais?
Nearly all MALE. Another awkward fact that gets ignored. Too many male immigrants over the long term forces our own culture to skew against our own women, who will be encouraged to form families with such immigrants, whilst the reverse of course, is almost impossible. Even if more women came over here - their culture would prevent them from breeding with “infidels”.

A: A huge mix of nationalities, most of whom have a particular reason for wanting to get to the UK: they may have relatives or friends who are already here, they may be English-speakers who believe they’re more likely to find work here, or they may have heard that there’s already a substantial number of others from their home country who have already settled here.

Q.9: Isn’ t the real reason that they know they’ll get benefits as soon as they make it across the Channel?
They won’t get JSA, but they will get their accommodation paid for and tax credits the moment they get given a job by some skinflint employer who dreams of staffing their business with £1ph workers with the cost of “sheds with beds” accommodation already deducted.

A: No. According to the independent fact-checking organisation Full Fact, most citizens of non-EU countries who come to live in the UK have no recourse to public funds in the initial years after they arrive, nor are asylum-seekers eligible for welfare benefits while their claims are pending.

Q.10: So why are the media making such a huge fuss about the migrants in Calais?
What upsets the media is that if WE behaved like those taking industrial action - we’d get locked up! - The presence of immigrants in Calais right now is secondary to the perceived “millitant socialist” effect of the strikers.

A: Good question. Partly because they’re easy to find and easy to get to - and those long lines of stranded lorries make great TV pictures. So do the desperate images of desperate people risking their lives as they try to leap onto trucks or trains as they head for the Channel Tunnel. And also, of course, because the story feeds into the current debate about the UK’s membership of the EU and overall immigration policy. (Plus parliament is on holiday and we’re all bored to tears with the Labour leadership contest.)

Do I have the answer to the global migration crisis? No, but here are some suggestions that might help: set up proper, EU-run processing centres at the main entry points: southern Italy, Greece, Hungary. Genuine refugees should be offered asylum according to an agreed quota calculated according to population and GDP. Those deemed non-eligible for asylum would be offered a choice: wait in a camp until your number comes up, and then go where you’re sent – or go home.
The solution for the UK is for us to leave the EU, so we can re-instant proper border controls, perhaps with rather draconian policies.
Remember, an illegal immigrant to the UK is a criminal on arrival. The media and government have been trying to engineer down the “legal status” of such illegal immigrants by quietly dropping the “illegal” prefix - but what’s done is done. You can fool a lot of people with PR bull - but not those who have put a bit of thought into it.

The tragedy is that so many people are so desperate that they’re prepared to die in an attempt to find a safe place to live. And our response is so blinkered that all we can think of is building higher fences.

The tragedy is that these people BELIEVE that there is a better life over here rather than some other EU country for them. This is hardly about “job opportunities” - it’s about “support if you can’t get a job at all”. I lay the blame for this with ANY benefits, but especially the “in work” kind, especially housing benefit.

worth a read

exiles10.org/IMG/pdf/asylum_ … 3_2006.pdf

BillyHunt:
You do realise that all that information will be regarded as made up lies by the government don’t you? I feel the comments such as, pro immigration bs, bleeding heart con/lab/EU scam are just about to land. Personally I cannot wait :laughing:

where as you know it to be 100% bona fida guaranteed absolutely true fact do you?