Facts about the migrants in Calais

steveio:
This country should introduce ID cards for everyone. Lets face it some 45 million of us already have a form of it , it’s called an DRIVING LICENCE.

ID cards could be introduced over a period of time, starting with everyone coming into this country - students, migrants etc
To obtain these cards you’ll need to give full details about yourself with accompanying (traceable) paperwork also fingerprints, retina scan or face scanning and dna swabs. If you refuse to do this then no entry. Student ID cards will only last whilst their studying, then it’s time to leave. If their caught afterwards then it’s the first plane out of here and NO RETURN FOR MIN 10 YEARS.

ID cards can then be used to verify people at university’s / benefit claims /loans / house renting even NHS (doctors/hospitals etc).
The ID can be rolled out through schools (ID cards for everyone over 16yrs old) + all new benefit applications.

How would ID cards stop anyone like economic immigrants and/or terrorists trying to get in at Calais and who is intent on taking advantage of the ‘asylum’ process to do it. :unamused:

Carryfast:

steveio:
This country should introduce ID cards for everyone. Lets face it some 45 million of us already have a form of it , it’s called an DRIVING LICENCE.

ID cards could be introduced over a period of time, starting with everyone coming into this country - students, migrants etc
To obtain these cards you’ll need to give full details about yourself with accompanying (traceable) paperwork also fingerprints, retina scan or face scanning and dna swabs. If you refuse to do this then no entry. Student ID cards will only last whilst their studying, then it’s time to leave. If their caught afterwards then it’s the first plane out of here and NO RETURN FOR MIN 10 YEARS.

ID cards can then be used to verify people at university’s / benefit claims /loans / house renting even NHS (doctors/hospitals etc).
The ID can be rolled out through schools (ID cards for everyone over 16yrs old) + all new benefit applications.

How would ID cards stop anyone like economic immigrants and/or terrorists trying to get in at Calais and who is intent on taking advantage of the ‘asylum’ process to do it. :unamused:

I think you’ll find that terrorists wouldn’t soil themselves by trying to get into this country through Calais, the vast majority are home grown, born & brought up here. They go abroad to learn to be good terrorists & fly back in through the airports.
ID cards would prevent the illegals from clawing any benefits, prevent them working, allow the police to check them & remove them, it’s really very simple. But no, we don’t want our human rights infringed by this police state so we have nothing. Great idea.

The ID card issue is interesting, I don’t think any ID card could ever prevent a terrorist. Illegals who had no card will still come but would still work in the black economy.

I actually think the fact you do not have to have one in the UK is good because of what it means, no authority has the right to stop you and demand that you prove who you are, that’s a freedom.

Scenario 1.
Policeman “who are you? Prove to me who you are”
Joe bloggs “Here officer, this is who I am and where I live”

Scenario 2.
Policeman “who are you? prove to me who you are”
Joe bloggs " I’m a free citizen, I do not have to prove to you or the state who I am, now please go and find ways to catch bad guys that do not require me to lose one of my basic God given rights, that’s what I pay you tax to do"

And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure, good deal.
I don’t believe in any god, does that rule still apply to me? Luckily I think you’ll find it’s a political decision not a religious one.

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure, good deal.
I don’t believe in any god, does that rule still apply to me? Luckily I think you’ll find it’s a political decision not a religious one.

Having to carry a document will not stop people coming here! lol

When People say God given right they are actually saying it is a right you are born with, it is not a right given by the state because you have it already, when a state makes you have to carry ID it then becomes a privilege to have said ID
And what’s the difference between a God given freedom (one you were born with) and a privilege?

A privilege can be removed by the privilege giver!

What’s that quote about ppl who would exchange their freedoms for security again anyone? ?

The largest waste of money in the NHS right now - is the price of drugs purchased from the “Private Industry” of the pharmacutical sector that should always have been in public hands instead.

Each time an expensive drug is not prescribed to a patient, that patient then tends to have complications that cost the NHS a fortune in “Gone to Hospital to Die” type condintions when it was all so avoidable.

“Too many new arrivals going onto the books” increases the NHS bill by a large amount it’s true… BUT the money wasted on drugs with payments being privatized represents the public health being sucked out from under our noses.

Talk to a rich person nowdays, and they hope never to have a road accident - since the fancy private treatment they’ve paid for with their BUPA type plans - will still see one left to die in an NHS A&E ward cometh the hour…

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure,

How are they supposedly illegal when they have claimed asylum and entered the asylum process.At which point they would obviously be given an ID card.Unless/until they are deported/repatriated ( very unlikely under the present bleeding heart pro immigration regime ). :unamused:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure,

How are they supposedly illegal when they have claimed asylum and entered the asylum process.At which point they would obviously be given an ID card.Unless/until they are deported/repatriated ( very unlikely under the present bleeding heart pro immigration regime ). :unamused:

“Entering the Asylum Process” should and must NEVER be considered “de-criminalizing” for immigrants that need to remain “illegal” until processed.

We need a “default” status of immigrant that is “ILLEGAL” until THEY have proven that they will get through this so-called “Asylum Process” which should be all about confirming that they are from a country in danger of being killed by. NO PAPERS means that they can’t confirm anything of the sort. They only throw their bloody papers away - because “coming from Kenya” or some other designated “safe” African country means they’ll surely get their applications for what is really economic migration - rejected out of hand.

…SO they lie, and pretend they are from Khartoum, Yemen, Somalia, or wherever.

“No Papers” is also a fantastically easy way for a Jihadist to get into the country. Refugees FROM Jihadists on the other hand, would most likely to be single females. So where are all these single females then? The obviously genuine asylum seekers that is? Hmm… They can’t have all been stopped on the way…? Then there’s the married women: “My husband has joined ISIS - I don’t approve, and claim asylum”… is NOT going to be asking three months later for a visa for same said husband trying to get in on his wife’s ticket…Why are so few applications like this example?

I suggest there are hardly any “genuine” asylum seekers at all. The media will try and get our hearts bleeding with the case of some “Jamil” who represents less than one in a hundred of the torrent flooding through Europe to be banging at our proverbial gates…

Winseer:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure,

How are they supposedly illegal when they have claimed asylum and entered the asylum process.At which point they would obviously be given an ID card.Unless/until they are deported/repatriated ( very unlikely under the present bleeding heart pro immigration regime ). :unamused:

“Entering the Asylum Process” should and must NEVER be considered “de-criminalizing” for immigrants that need to remain “illegal” until processed.

We need a “default” status of immigrant that is “ILLEGAL” until THEY have proven that they will get through this so-called “Asylum Process” which should be all about confirming that they are from a country in danger of being killed by. NO PAPERS means that they can’t confirm anything of the sort. They only throw their bloody papers away - because “coming from Kenya” or some other designated “safe” African country means they’ll surely get their applications for what is really economic migration - rejected out of hand.

…SO they lie, and pretend they are from Khartoum, Yemen, Somalia, or wherever.

“No Papers” is also a fantastically easy way for a Jihadist to get into the country. Refugees FROM Jihadists on the other hand, would most likely to be single females. So where are all these single females then? The obviously genuine asylum seekers that is? Hmm… They can’t have all been stopped on the way…? Then there’s the married women: “My husband has joined ISIS - I don’t approve, and claim asylum”… is NOT going to be asking three months later for a visa for same said husband trying to get in on his wife’s ticket…Why are so few applications like this example?

I suggest there are hardly any “genuine” asylum seekers at all. The media will try and get our hearts bleeding with the case of some “Jamil” who represents less than one in a hundred of the torrent flooding through Europe to be banging at our proverbial gates…

The smoking gun is the obvious deliberate confusion by both the immigrants and the pro immigration agenda with ‘safe’ also having to mean relatively richer developed western society.

IE there is no need for anyone to ‘have’ to get here at all even ‘if’ they supposedly really are ‘asylum’ seekers.While it seems obvious that even if they are fleeing from ISIS,then why would a country like ours,with an already known home grown Jihadist type contingent within it,be considered as being any ‘safer’ for them than any of the other Middle Eastern or North African countries considered safe enough for Europeans like Turkey,Jordan or Saudi,Kuwait,Morrocco etc.As opposed to going to Bulgaria,Romania,Hungary or Poland for example.

The fact is bearing in mind our already over populated country by comparison with the rest of the Eurasian landmass.Much of that increase in population being the result of already too high levels immigration and the fact that our economy isn’t even strong enough to support that existing population hence the calls for social spending ‘cuts’.There is no sensible argument for any form of further immigration.Let alone an illegal invasion,by a combination of economic migrants from poorer countries and/or hostiles amongst them looking for revenge and even the possibility of takeover.

Which leaves the question as to where is the confirmation by Cameron of the reported change in policy,regarding all the above, which supposedly puts repatriatriation of the so called ‘asylum seekers’ on the table and immediate implementation of same.As opposed to lots of diversionary talk to cover yet more of the same old let them all in but put on the pretense of stopping them to appease the small Con Party anti immigration faction. :unamused:

On that note I’ll await a change with immediate effect.In the orders for the Navy to now return any ‘asylum seekers’ found in the Med to North Africa instead of taking them to Italy.I won’t be holding my breath though.

Carryfast:

Winseer:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure,

How are they supposedly illegal when they have claimed asylum and entered the asylum process.At which point they would obviously be given an ID card.Unless/until they are deported/repatriated ( very unlikely under the present bleeding heart pro immigration regime ). :unamused:

“Entering the Asylum Process” should and must NEVER be considered “de-criminalizing” for immigrants that need to remain “illegal” until processed.

We need a “default” status of immigrant that is “ILLEGAL” until THEY have proven that they will get through this so-called “Asylum Process” which should be all about confirming that they are from a country in danger of being killed by. NO PAPERS means that they can’t confirm anything of the sort. They only throw their bloody papers away - because “coming from Kenya” or some other designated “safe” African country means they’ll surely get their applications for what is really economic migration - rejected out of hand.

…SO they lie, and pretend they are from Khartoum, Yemen, Somalia, or wherever.

“No Papers” is also a fantastically easy way for a Jihadist to get into the country. Refugees FROM Jihadists on the other hand, would most likely to be single females. So where are all these single females then? The obviously genuine asylum seekers that is? Hmm… They can’t have all been stopped on the way…? Then there’s the married women: “My husband has joined ISIS - I don’t approve, and claim asylum”… is NOT going to be asking three months later for a visa for same said husband trying to get in on his wife’s ticket…Why are so few applications like this example?

I suggest there are hardly any “genuine” asylum seekers at all. The media will try and get our hearts bleeding with the case of some “Jamil” who represents less than one in a hundred of the torrent flooding through Europe to be banging at our proverbial gates…

The smoking gun is the obvious deliberate confusion by both the immigrants and the pro immigration agenda with ‘safe’ also having to mean relatively richer developed western society.

IE there is no need for anyone to ‘have’ to get here at all even ‘if’ they supposedly really are ‘asylum’ seekers.While it seems obvious that even if they are fleeing from ISIS,then why would a country like ours,with an already known home grown Jihadist type contingent within it,be considered as being any ‘safer’ for them than any of the other Middle Eastern or North African countries considered safe enough for Europeans like Turkey,Jordan or Saudi,Kuwait,Morrocco etc.As opposed to going to Bulgaria,Romania,Hungary or Poland for example.

The fact is bearing in mind our already over populated country by comparison with the rest of the Eurasian landmass.Much of that increase in population being the result of already too high levels immigration and the fact that our economy isn’t even strong enough to support that existing population hence the calls for social spending ‘cuts’.There is no sensible argument for any form of further immigration.Let alone an illegal invasion,by a combination of economic migrants from poorer countries and/or hostiles amongst them looking for revenge and even the possibility of takeover.

Which leaves the question as to where is the confirmation by Cameron of the reported change in policy,regarding all the above, which supposedly puts repatriatriation of the so called ‘asylum seekers’ on the table and immediate implementation of same.As opposed to lots of diversionary talk to cover yet more of the same old let them all in but put on the pretense of stopping them to appease the small Con Party anti immigration faction. :unamused:

On that note I’ll await a change with immediate effect.In the orders for the Navy to now return any ‘asylum seekers’ found in the Med to North Africa instead of taking them to Italy.I won’t be holding my breath though.

They are coming here as well, at least 12 000+ applied for asylum, but we are poor country and a bit narrow minded when comes to dark skin muslim foreigners, that just the truth. Another issue is they cant do sh*t without proper ID, which takes time to be issued, because we have to know who they are. Until then they remain in detention centers. We are taking people from war thorn countries of American, British and our own adventures…We should have never gone to Irag and Afghanistan.
Just yesterday 50+ illegals from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan were caught on the Border and that’s everyday.

novinite.com/articles/169517 … ring+Sofia
novinite.com/articles/168693 … s+in+Sofia

Another article

novinite.com/articles/170191 … p+Migrants

Die hard pro immigrants from Germany tried to cut down the fence last year, unsuccessfully. The problem of the asylum seekers is that they don’t want to live in Bulgaria, as poor as it may be, we have sunshine, beaches, mountains and peace which they seek. They refuse to enter the country via border check point does we had to make the fence to detour them. Entering illegally they can sneak to Western EU claim asylum there and have a better life, well we have contradiction, either they are refugees or economic migrants, because Turkey is a lot safer as well. They use the excuse of war to reach WE simple as that.

Bach home:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure, good deal.
I don’t believe in any god, does that rule still apply to me? Luckily I think you’ll find it’s a political decision not a religious one.

Having to carry a document will not stop people coming here! lol

When People say God given right they are actually saying it is a right you are born with, it is not a right given by the state because you have it already, when a state makes you have to carry ID it then becomes a privilege to have said ID
And what’s the difference between a God given freedom (one you were born with) and a privilege?

A privilege can be removed by the privilege giver!

What’s that quote about ppl who would exchange their freedoms for security again anyone? ?

It would be fairly simple way to stop those claiming asylum, it’s well known they destroy their ID prior to coming here illegally, make it known. No ID = no chance to claim asylum.
Do we not have ID from the day we are born then? I’m pretty sure I have a birth certificate somewhere, and I’m certain no god of any type gave it to me. If you don’t think we should have any ID then you must be in favour of no border controls at all, let them just come in with no checks. We’d save a fortune on border staff.

BillyHunt:

Bach home:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure, good deal.
I don’t believe in any god, does that rule still apply to me? Luckily I think you’ll find it’s a political decision not a religious one.

Having to carry a document will not stop people coming here! lol

When People say God given right they are actually saying it is a right you are born with, it is not a right given by the state because you have it already, when a state makes you have to carry ID it then becomes a privilege to have said ID
And what’s the difference between a God given freedom (one you were born with) and a privilege?

A privilege can be removed by the privilege giver!

What’s that quote about ppl who would exchange their freedoms for security again anyone? ?

It would be fairly simple way to stop those claiming asylum, it’s well known they destroy their ID prior to coming here illegally, make it known. No ID = no chance to claim asylum.
Do we not have ID from the day we are born then? I’m pretty sure I have a birth certificate somewhere, and I’m certain no god of any type gave it to me. If you don’t think we should have any ID then you must be in favour of no border controls at all, let them just come in with no checks. We’d save a fortune on border staff.

The problem of immigrants destroying THEIR ID documents does not mean that the population of the country they are trying to enter should suddenly be required to carry ID!

Read what you wrote, it’s not coherent mate, it’s circular reasoning at best.

You obviously never read my post explaining what “God given” means or maybe your not too bright.

Yes you have documentation that pertains to you being a person who was born and showing who your parents are and where you where born but you don’t have to carry your birth certificate with you everywhere and show it to any requesting Policeman do you? No
Because birth certificates are not what we are talking about is it? We are talking about an Identity Card!

Man oh man

Dolph:
The smoking gun is the obvious deliberate confusion by both the immigrants and the pro immigration agenda with ‘safe’ also having to mean relatively richer developed western society.

IE there is no need for anyone to ‘have’ to get here at all even ‘if’ they supposedly really are ‘asylum’ seekers.While it seems obvious that even if they are fleeing from ISIS,then why would a country like ours,with an already known home grown Jihadist type contingent within it,be considered as being any ‘safer’ for them than any of the other Middle Eastern or North African countries considered safe enough for Europeans like Turkey,Jordan or Saudi,Kuwait,Morrocco etc.As opposed to going to Bulgaria,Romania,Hungary or Poland for example.

The fact is bearing in mind our already over populated country by comparison with the rest of the Eurasian landmass.Much of that increase in population being the result of already too high levels immigration and the fact that our economy isn’t even strong enough to support that existing population hence the calls for social spending ‘cuts’.There is no sensible argument for any form of further immigration.Let alone an illegal invasion,by a combination of economic migrants from poorer countries and/or hostiles amongst them looking for revenge and even the possibility of takeover.

Which leaves the question as to where is the confirmation by Cameron of the reported change in policy,regarding all the above, which supposedly puts repatriatriation of the so called ‘asylum seekers’ on the table and immediate implementation of same.As opposed to lots of diversionary talk to cover yet more of the same old let them all in but put on the pretense of stopping them to appease the small Con Party anti immigration faction. :unamused:

On that note I’ll await a change with immediate effect.In the orders for the Navy to now return any ‘asylum seekers’ found in the Med to North Africa instead of taking them to Italy.I won’t be holding my breath though.

They are coming here as well, at least 12 000+ applied for asylum, but we are poor country and a bit narrow minded when comes to dark skin muslim foreigners, that just the truth. Another issue is they cant do sh*t without proper ID, which takes time to be issued, because we have to know who they are. Until then they remain in detention centers. We are taking people from war thorn countries of American, British and our own adventures…We should have never gone to Irag and Afghanistan.
Just yesterday 50+ illegals from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan were caught on the Border and that’s everyday.

novinite.com/articles/169517 … ring+Sofia
novinite.com/articles/168693 … s+in+Sofia

Another article

novinite.com/articles/170191 … p+Migrants

Die hard pro immigrants from Germany tried to cut down the fence last year, unsuccessfully. The problem of the asylum seekers is that they don’t want to live in Bulgaria, as poor as it may be, we have sunshine, beaches, mountains and peace which they seek. They refuse to enter the country via border check point does we had to make the fence to detour them. Entering illegally they can sneak to Western EU claim asylum there and have a better life, well we have contradiction, either they are refugees or economic migrants, because Turkey is a lot safer as well. They use the excuse of war to reach WE simple as that.
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To be fair the ‘issues’ which applied in the former Yugoslavia suggest that the fact that the Slavs ( rightly ) prefer to keep to their own isn’t just a one sided issue.The Muslim/Asian culture obviously also prefers the same.But also with a more sinister side related to takeover ambitions/rule of any where that they see as ‘Unislamic’.

In this case there is absolutely no reason as to why any so called ‘asylum seekers’ from Africa or Asia can’t be resettled within those respective continents.Wether that be South Africa or North Africa or Turkey and other developed areas of the Middle East that are ( a lot ) better off in terms of resources to afford the social costs in addition to all being the same/similar ethnic cultures.

As opposed to making exactly the same mistakes as Tito etc did in Yugoslavia in trying to integrate totally alien and potentially hostile cultures.

Which is why I included the example of the slavic country example because being familiar with the slavic culture I knew what the answer would be in being the perfect example of the difference between nativism v racism. :bulb: :wink: IE it isn’t racist to call for the idea of each to their own and it isn’t racist to tell the respective governments that we’ve all had enough of economic migration/immigration and the deliberate policy of ethnic integration that goes with it.

All of which being based on lies which dresses up a combination of bleeding heart,or even cynical,Socialism and economic opportunism by both the immigrants and their cheap labour employers,as so called ‘asylum’.On that note ironically the same also applies in the case of Slavic integration with North European/Gallic.

In which case the slavs are applying typical hypocritical double standards of the type which kicked off WW1 when it suited them.But they now seem to be happy enough to be part of a German run EU federation when they see a financial benefit. :unamused:

Your are making mistake between WW1 Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany. :smiley:
Slavs is a communist propaganda term use to calm us down under USSR rule :grimacing:

Bach home:
Having to carry a document will not stop people coming here! lol

When People say God given right they are actually saying it is a right you are born with, it is not a right given by the state because you have it already, when a state makes you have to carry ID it then becomes a privilege to have said ID
And what’s the difference between a God given freedom (one you were born with) and a privilege?

A privilege can be removed by the privilege giver!

What’s that quote about ppl who would exchange their freedoms for security again anyone? ?

Actually it will stop people very fast if National ID is made mandatory and only legal citizens and residents posses it, no illegals, foreign students or tourists.
No ID card no renting, no privilege of DL, no bank acct., no work, no car ownership, no utility services, no mobile phone, no sending money home, no nothing. Heavy penalties for employer hiring illegals and the problem is gone. This could be implemented in UK fast and will work ■■■■ well.

Dolph:
Your are making mistake between WW1 Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany. :smiley:
Slavs is a communist propaganda term use to calm us down under USSR rule :grimacing:

It was actually Slavic Nationalist v Austro Hungarian/German ‘then’ Russia joined in on the side of its ‘Slavic’ brothers ‘before’ Communist Russia ever existed. :bulb:

Then we joined in on the side of ---------------Russia. :open_mouth: :unamused: But Churchill pretended it was all about Belgium which the Germans would never have invaded ‘if’ France had staid neutral.

As proved by the fact that Germany did actually turn around to sort out the ( at that time White Tsarist ruled ) Russians to start with when the Kaiser ‘thought’ that the French had made that deal. :frowning:

So no Slav doesn’t mean Communist/Red Russian.It describes the Slavic nation. :wink:

Bach home:

BillyHunt:

Bach home:

BillyHunt:
And that’s just one of the reasons terrorists & asylum seekers & any other illegal love coming here. They can move freely amongst us without the fear of exposure, good deal.
I don’t believe in any god, does that rule still apply to me? Luckily I think you’ll find it’s a political decision not a religious one.

Having to carry a document will not stop people coming here! lol

When People say God given right they are actually saying it is a right you are born with, it is not a right given by the state because you have it already, when a state makes you have to carry ID it then becomes a privilege to have said ID
And what’s the difference between a God given freedom (one you were born with) and a privilege?

A privilege can be removed by the privilege giver!

What’s that quote about ppl who would exchange their freedoms for security again anyone? ?

It would be fairly simple way to stop those claiming asylum, it’s well known they destroy their ID prior to coming here illegally, make it known. No ID = no chance to claim asylum.
Do we not have ID from the day we are born then? I’m pretty sure I have a birth certificate somewhere, and I’m certain no god of any type gave it to me. If you don’t think we should have any ID then you must be in favour of no border controls at all, let them just come in with no checks. We’d save a fortune on border staff.

The problem of immigrants destroying THEIR ID documents does not mean that the population of the country they are trying to enter should suddenly be required to carry ID!

Read what you wrote, it’s not coherent mate, it’s circular reasoning at best.

You obviously never read my post explaining what “God given” means or maybe your not too bright.

Yes you have documentation that pertains to you being a person who was born and showing who your parents are and where you where born but you don’t have to carry your birth certificate with you everywhere and show it to any requesting Policeman do you? No
Because birth certificates are not what we are talking about is it? We are talking about an Identity Card!

Man oh man

I read & understood it just fine, I just think it’s a dog pile. I’m not saying we should have ID cards because the illegals destroy theirs, I’ve always thought we should have them, never seen a problem. I’ve had proper photo ID all my life, father in the army, me in the army, driving licence, passport. Never had a problem showing it when asked, try getting on a military camp without it. All the people that should have them have them, those that don’t have them get an interview. Lost, damaged or just plain forgot, that’s fine as its all on file. We seem to get by in this job with 3 cards just to do a simple job, you do have the cards already don’t you? Or did you join DP in rebelling against it.
As a matter of interest, what do you do when asked for ID by a policeman?

Dolph:
Your are making mistake between WW1 Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany. :smiley:
Slavs is a communist propaganda term use to calm us down under USSR rule :grimacing:

Oh no! Didn’t anyone warn you? I hope you have a comfy seat, plenty snacks and a penchant for reading gobbledegook. This could get messy.

BillyHunt:

Dolph:
Your are making mistake between WW1 Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany. :smiley:
Slavs is a communist propaganda term use to calm us down under USSR rule :grimacing:

Oh no! Didn’t anyone warn you? I hope you have a comfy seat, plenty snacks and a penchant for reading gobbledegook. This could get messy.

Oh yes I forgot about Carryfast history aspirations :laughing:

Is anyone else hoping Dolph is extremelly clued up on world history,socialism,Thatcher and fordism and is in this for the long haul and runs rings round carryfast till he has a breakdown and admits he gets most of his stuff from wikipedia? :laughing: :laughing:
Im thinking a new member with a fresh battle of wills who hasnt been “carryfasted” is in with a good shout :grimacing: