thetastytrucker:
I forgot to add i will still be voting U K I P in 2015 to save a few years
Vote UKIP and let the Ed Miller Band in. Then You won’t get a chance to vote.
Contraflow:
Looking at the results of this poll, it’s clear that Dave’s shameless attempt to appeal to the ignorant masses thus ensuring he stays in power was a brilliant idea!
No it might just backfire on the tory zb if the British are cleverer than he thinks and realise that his plan is just a load of lying tory bs to get him back into power,and vote for UKIP instead. 
Santa:
thetastytrucker:
I forgot to add i will still be voting U K I P in 2015 to save a few yearsVote UKIP and let the Ed Miller Band in. Then You won’t get a chance to vote.
That depends on wether the Labour voters are bright enough to vote UKIP too.Although having said that history shows that Labour voters in recent years are even less bright than Tory ones.
I can see what Carryfast is saying. Until the late 70d early 80s most working class people would be staunch labour voters.
However despite maybe been staunch union members and fight for workers rights etc on other maters like immigration foreign trade etc they would have veiws what we would today call right wing.
Into the 80s things like the right to buy your council home buying shares in privatized utility’s etc made lots of working class people more aspirational and in turn vote Tory.
Couple this with the 80s view of labours “looney left” which alinated lots of traditional labour voters.
Then the Blair and Brown regime which seemed to be for champagne socialists which seemed to screw the tax paying majority reward the benefit culture vultures. The big rise in immigration which the working class will always fear as its there jobs that will come under pressure. Then the perceived breakdown in anti social behavior and law and order which further alinated these people.
So a lot of the traditional vote voter isn’t there.
This is slightly off topic but when you read about all of the cut backs Britain enforces its public and then read what Britain is actually owed in arms sales but has no chance of recouping, it makes you think.
The stand out for me is Britain is owed 12m by Robert Mugabe’s regime for Land Rovers. WTF !
OUT!!! And shut that ever widening open door!!! Great Britain,what a load of ■■■■!! Doormat Britain!!
I voted to go into the Common Market as it was then, and as I was working in Europe in transport, on exports and imports it seemed a logical thing to vote for, no one said anything about being ruled from Europe they kept that very quiet, and I don’t think many would have voted to go in knowing that. No MP seems to say that in coming out we can still become a EFTA member, but not be totally ruled from Europe, so I voted out, only last week I believe It was Honda who announced it was to lay of 800 staff due to lack of exports to the EU, whilst Land Rover Jaguar announced they were to take on 800 more staff due demand from countries outside of the EU, I think that says it all. You have to look at the vast majority of cars and Lorries on the road all imported from the EU, who needs who. As for my vote at the next election I’ll proudly vote UKIP.
Ossie
Kerbdog:
This is slightly off topic but when you read about all of the cut backs Britain enforces its public and then read what Britain is actually owed in arms sales but has no chance of recouping, it makes you think.The stand out for me is Britain is owed 12m by Robert Mugabe’s regime for Land Rovers. WTF !
It’s ok to supourt his regime he isn’t on America’s hit list
kr79:
I can see what Carryfast is saying. Until the late 70d early 80s most working class people would be staunch labour voters.
However despite maybe been staunch union members and fight for workers rights etc on other maters like immigration foreign trade etc they would have veiws what we would today call right wing.
Into the 80s things like the right to buy your council home buying shares in privatized utility’s etc made lots of working class people more aspirational and in turn vote Tory.
Couple this with the 80s view of labours “looney left” which alinated lots of traditional labour voters.
Then the Blair and Brown regime which seemed to be for champagne socialists which seemed to screw the tax paying majority reward the benefit culture vultures. The big rise in immigration which the working class will always fear as its there jobs that will come under pressure. Then the perceived breakdown in anti social behavior and law and order which further alinated these people.
So a lot of the traditional vote voter isn’t there.
Believe it or not the ‘core’ Labour voter was actually all about working in a Fordist economy in which the object was to earn enough in employment,subject to protectionist economic policies in favour of domestic industry not the foreign competition,to buy a house,not effectively be given a subsidised one by the state.All of which goes against everything that Thatcher and the idea of the provision and the sale of council housing and the EEC/EU and the ‘global free market’ economy stands for and all of which could be described as being right wing just as much as left wing although left and right are really just two totally irrelevant descriptions of views which can be either or and/or a mixture of both.
wirralpete:
not even going to voice my opinions as come 5 years down the line there will be some reason why we wont be having a referundum.
Cameron:
“Oh Dear. I would have done it, had I been elected - honest!”
"The British People voted “no” to a referendum by kicking me out of office… Now there’s never going to be one, and it’s all the scumbag public’s fault!"
It’s the ultimate “Jam Tomorrow” deal. Only this time around, I don’t think the vast majority of people are going to buy it, once this recession proves to be “still going strong” come 2015 let alone 2017…
Very true but lots of them went for right to buy when it was offered to them so they could better themselves. That’s how my parents got on to the property ladder. Fact is you can be one for all all for one but when push comes to shove most people will go the way if bhelping themselves and family before others and that’s who thatcher hooked lots of the working class.
Anyway calm down man for once I agree with a fair few points you have raised.
Winseer:
wirralpete:
not even going to voice my opinions as come 5 years down the line there will be some reason why we wont be having a referundum.Cameron:
“Oh Dear. I would have done it, had I been elected - honest!”
"The British People voted “no” to a referendum by kicking me out of office… Now there’s never going to be one, and it’s all the scumbag public’s fault!"It’s the ultimate “Jam Tomorrow” deal. Only this time around, I don’t think the vast majority of people are going to buy it, once this recession proves to be “still going strong” come 2015 let alone 2017…
If he was being honest about wanting a referendum there’s nothing stopping him calling it now.The question is why doesn’t he seem to want to do it.
Europe’s a nice place to visit, bit I wouldn’t like to live (or be ruled from) there!
If we leave the EU, we can also ditch the “human rights charter” and there will be some fringe benefits as a result:
(1) We can bar immigration for anyone who’s not a millionaire businessperson who’ll employ a decent number of people on arrival.
Other countries do this already, but talk of the UK doing it lands us on hot water because it breaches “human rights” apparently.
(2) We can stop buying European stuff the moment it becomes too expensive, which stops in an instant this artificial propping up of the Euro by Far East concerns. More than anything else, the Euro being as high as it is has resulted in such massive underemployment Eurozone wide.
(3) We can charge import duties on anything and everything, without being accused of “persecuting Eurozone workers & producers for being paid too little”.
(4) Having scrapped the Human Rights Charter, our relationship with the far east improves, as we’re hardly able to criticise other countries for so-called “Human Rights Abuses” every time a poisoner of schoolkids gets sentenced to death, rather than sent to Barbados for a “Character Assessment Excercise”.
(4b) We can bring back capital punishment ourselves - For Mass Murder, Child Killing, and Corporate Massacres as well.
Remember this story?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28787126/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/face-execution-over-china-poison-milk-scandal/
(5) We can fine foreign banks for looting British funds in the guise of “SEC fines” or “IMF Penalty fees” etc.
Why should a UK business fork out billions to a foreign authority out of monies that should be used to pay UK taxes first?
Effectively those fines and the like are a tax on the British People. The U$ of course charges more for the same offences, their legal system being what it is. I’d say we’d be better off confiscating banker’s personal fortunes, and chucking individual bankers in jail. The firm will just loot the money for “fines” out of somewhere else in the business, that being what they are best at. Dumping losses into the public pocket, whilst looting public institutions.
(6) We can get full control of UK tax policy back. At present, we’re unable to charge anything that is strongly opposed by other Eurostates. Charges that are not taken up by the rest of the business community, find themselves not being implemented. It is normal for any radical proposals to automatically get kicked into the long grass of course, so “new taxes” that do get through the eurolegal minefield are always in the form that can be evaded, rather than properly targeted. Tax UK Income and never UK assets. Businesspeople should feel their capital is safe here, not being subect to ANY kind of “super tax” at any time.
kr79:
Very true but lots of them went for right to buy when it was offered to them so they could better themselves. That’s how my parents got on to the property ladder. Fact is you can be one for all all for one but when push comes to shove most people will go the way if bhelping themselves and family before others and that’s who thatcher hooked lots of the working class.
Anyway calm down man for once I agree with a fair few points you have raised.
The way that the working class bettered itself was by supporting union action to raise wages to a level where they could afford to buy a decent house of their own without any state help.Ironically the fact is both the Labour Party and the unions then lost the plot by using tax payers money to provide sub standard housing for the working class which just added to the issues of low wage employment instead of improving them.
To add insult to injury Thatcher then used that state funded housing stock to buy votes,in order to reduce union power. Which then resulted in an even worse situation of lower wages and in which it then became even more difficult for all workers to afford a decent house of their own.While even worse many of those who took advantage of that scam then had the nerve to moan about unions members who’d been trying to improve,living standards and wage levels,so that workers didn’t need state help to afford to buy a house.
Many years ago a mate of mine summed up the EU in the following fashion; We will never do any good in Europe as long as we have holes in our arses, If a new 2 sentence law comes out of the EU ,the French pick the bits thatsuits them and ignore the rest, the Germans make sure the i,s and t,s are crossed, the Italians and Spanish ignore it all together and the British write a 200 page book about it, having travelled in Europe since the Tform and Permit days and found that as soon as you set foot on the other side you spent your time bribeing police or petty officals who in terprate the rules to suit them i tend to agree, remember the lamb wars? ever been stuck in a Spanish or French blockade and tried to get help from the local plod? ever tried to get compo from being stuck in one ? In France they soon send terrorists home , we give them a house and 24hr protetion, we help the French in Mali idont remember the French helping in the Falklands add to this we are one of the biggest net contributors to the budget and the EU accounts havnt been signed off for how many years? and his words are as true today .
Ahh but the Falklands didn’t have any certainty of oil did it (at that time), and the French wanted to sell some more Exocets and crappy Mirage 2000’s eh
If we’re out of Europe, we can be sold to the USA.
Thatch would have loved that
Ok I’ll say it…Hitler had a lot of good ideas, he just went about them the wrong way! 
Taxi!!
akaday:
Ok I’ll say it…Hitler had a lot of good ideas, he just went about them the wrong way!
What was wrong with Autobahns and Bedsprung Durch Technik? 
“Mein Hund hat keine Nase”…