kr79:
I’d say most drivers are over 40 so there must be a shortage of young blood.
So you’re saying that absolutely none of the squaddies who’ve joined up over the years have done it because they couldn’t find a decent well paid job as a civvy instead either driving or whatever else they’d choose to do.
The shortage of young blood in the road transport industry probably has more to do with the bs experience issue which makes it too difficult for too many to get a start that’s in addition to the issue of entering an industry in which the stated government policy is to remove it from the roads wherever possible.In addition to overcapacity caused by the east european invasion and resulting reduction in income potential since EU enlargement.
Carryfast:
It’s not just the labour market for drivers it’s the labour market as a whole.If we take that situation,as you’ve described it,to it’s logical conclusion,we’d replace the whole of the British workforce with East European or whatever cheap labour while our own indigenous workforce/population,obviously except those who profit form the situation,all emigrates.In which case the big business interests would have defeated the object of Britain as a nation.
Yes, it is the labour market as a whole that is affected, I just talked about drivers as that is our main focus on this forum. Most of the indigenous people I talk to would like to leave the UK if they could, because they don’t like the way the UK has changed, and they see, or at least they think, the grass is greener elsewhere. Big business doesn’t care about Britain as a nation. Big business exists to make a profit for the owners, usually in the form of shareholders. That may be you and I or at least our pension and life insurance investment companys. Big business isn’t just about the boss gadding about in his Jag or Roller. Lots of little people need big businesses too. You may not have noticed, but generally, big businesses employ lots of people.
Carryfast:
It doesn’t take a genius to realise that economic and immigration policy,as historically applied to Britain,has mostly been about keeping labour supply in excess of demand for labour,under the flawed idea that keeping wage levels down is better for the economy.
Keeping wage levels down is only bad if you are a wage earner. Increasing wages increases the cost of goods and services. For people on a wage that can be raised to stay ahead of price rises this may not be an issue, but for people with savings, or on a fixed income, rising prices is a very bad thing. Big business does not have a bottomless pot of money to increase wages. The people that pay for increased wages are you and I whenever we buy stuff.
Carryfast:
It’s not just the labour market for drivers it’s the labour market as a whole.If we take that situation,as you’ve described it,to it’s logical conclusion,we’d replace the whole of the British workforce with East European or whatever cheap labour while our own indigenous workforce/population,obviously except those who profit form the situation,all emigrates.In which case the big business interests would have defeated the object of Britain as a nation.
Yes, it is the labour market as a whole that is affected, I just talked about drivers as that is our main focus on this forum. Most of the indigenous people I talk to would like to leave the UK if they could, because they don’t like the way the UK has changed, and they see, or at least they think, the grass is greener elsewhere. Big business doesn’t care about Britain as a nation. Big business exists to make a profit for the owners, usually in the form of shareholders. That may be you and I or at least our pension and life insurance investment companys. Big business isn’t just about the boss gadding about in his Jag or Roller. Lots of little people need big businesses too. You may not have noticed, but generally, big businesses employ lots of people.
Carryfast:
It doesn’t take a genius to realise that economic and immigration policy,as historically applied to Britain,has mostly been about keeping labour supply in excess of demand for labour,under the flawed idea that keeping wage levels down is better for the economy.
Keeping wage levels down is only bad if you are a wage earner. Increasing wages increases the cost of goods and services. For people on a wage that can be raised to stay ahead of price rises this may not be an issue, but for people with savings, or on a fixed income, rising prices is a very bad thing. Big business does not have a bottomless pot of money to increase wages. The people that pay for increased wages are you and I whenever we buy stuff.
Firstly there’s not much point in big business employing ‘lots of people’ if that employment doesn’t pay sufficient wages to sustain the economy and therefore that employment and if it doesn’t care about Britain as ‘a nation’.The fact is keeping wage levels lagging behind prices is bad for everyone including big business because it’s only by keeping incomes in line with,if not slightly ahead of,prices that you’ll be able to sustain,let alone grow,the economy as a whole.There’s no such thing as ‘fixed incomes’ because all incomes,wether based on investments or employment,need to be kept in line with prices or those incomes and investments become worthless over time.The fact is we’ve had exactly your idea,which is the opposite of Fordism,since the mid 1970’s,just as we had it during the 1920’s and 1930’s and look where it got us.
The only way that big business is going to get the money to stay in business is by paying sufficient wages for people to spend on it’s products.People seem to miss the point that money isn’t the object of being in business it’s just the method of exchange and barter that takes place between the exchange of goods and services and the problem comes when some idiot decides to hold back that flow of money which then blocks that bartering process.In other words 1980’s Thatcherite moneterism v Kennedy type 1960’s Fordism.No contest.
Increasing wages is a great idea if you are the one getting the increase. For those that don’t receive the increased income, it is a terrible idea as they will have to pay the increased prices that inevitably follow the wage increases. They call this process inflation.
Inflation is good for people with debts, bad for people with savings.
Where do you think the money to pay increased wages comes from anyway? I think you will find it isn’t from out of the bosses pocket.
Carryfast:
Firstly there’s not much point in big business employing ‘lots of people’ if that employment doesn’t pay sufficient wages to sustain the economy and therefore that employment and if it doesn’t care about Britain as ‘a nation’.The fact is keeping wage levels lagging behind prices is bad for everyone including big business because it’s only by keeping incomes in line with,if not slightly ahead of,prices that you’ll be able to sustain,let alone grow,the economy as a whole.There’s no such thing as ‘fixed incomes’ because all incomes,wether based on investments or employment,need to be kept in line with prices or those incomes and investments become worthless over time.The fact is we’ve had exactly your idea,which is the opposite of Fordism,since the mid 1970’s,just as we had it during the 1920’s and 1930’s and look where it got us.
This is nonsense. Your idea seems to be that wages and all other incomes have to rise to keep up with price rises which are caused by…wage increases.
All this achieves is is a change in the numbers on the price tickets of goods and on the wage slips of the workers. It doesn’t enable the worker to buy any more crap than he was already able to buy.
I am staying in it and have found an unusual ally in Margaret Becket who recently spoke about car manufacturing. She said that on a trade mission to Japan the government were told that as long as the UK remained in the UK, then the big three, Toyota, Nissan and Honda would remain here too.
I have just read a report from Cranfield University who have said that the big three have built up and overtaken the sales of the British car manufacturing industry in the 80’s in fact they have increased sales even more now that Vauxhall and Ford have gone from Luton and Dagenham.
The car industry makes up a huge amount of the UK GDP, the most reliable vehicles are Japanese, and Honda has just been voted the best car for reliability and value.
The loss of Toyota in my own area of the East Midlands would be catastrophic with the loss to the other manufacturers and suppliers. I doubt the North East would cope very well and I am sure Swindon without Honda will soon be a one horse town.
I am using the car factories as an example because of the trade it brings to the ports, the hauliers and the shippers. The French manufacturers have moved out to Hungary and Romania and with that the loss to the French hauliers is huge. We couldnt build cars ourselves, but the skills are in Britain so it must have been the attitudes of the 70’s and 80’s management and designers.
my last point will be to laugh at anyone who thinks with a UK registered lorry you will be nailing it across France with speed limiter, tachograph and seat belts missing.
AETR is now in line with EC drivers hours rules and for many years they have been quite closely tied
Carryfast:
Firstly there’s not much point in big business employing ‘lots of people’ if that employment doesn’t pay sufficient wages to sustain the economy and therefore that employment and if it doesn’t care about Britain as ‘a nation’.The fact is keeping wage levels lagging behind prices is bad for everyone including big business because it’s only by keeping incomes in line with,if not slightly ahead of,prices that you’ll be able to sustain,let alone grow,the economy as a whole.There’s no such thing as ‘fixed incomes’ because all incomes,wether based on investments or employment,need to be kept in line with prices or those incomes and investments become worthless over time.The fact is we’ve had exactly your idea,which is the opposite of Fordism,since the mid 1970’s,just as we had it during the 1920’s and 1930’s and look where it got us.
This is nonsense. Your idea seems to be that wages and all other incomes have to rise to keep up with price rises which are caused by…wage increases.
All this achieves is is a change in the numbers on the price tickets of goods and on the wage slips of the workers. It doesn’t enable the worker to buy any more crap than he was already able to buy.
I think history shows that inflation is price led not wage led.As I said money is just the means of exchange used in the process of barter and it’s effectively the bartering process which moves trade in goods and services not money.I don’t think there’s any union leader out there who wouldn’t have signed up to a deal which paid workers nothing so long as they could get what they need to buy for nothing.
Your idea just holds back the flow of money which then slows,and sometimes shuts down,the bartering process hence the 1930’s crash and then the mid 1970’s/1980’s recession which never actually did end it just fluctuated between continuous boom and bust because everytime the economy tried to move on it got stopped in it’s tracks because the flow of money,in the form of wage growth,wasn’t there to sustain it.The thing which has always characterised sustainable growth is a Fordist economy in which wage growth actually creates more demand for more and better domestically produced goods.IE where a worker had a small domestically made 4 or 6 cylinder car,which was kept for 5 years,that worker then traded it in for a larger 6 or 8 cylinder car which was kept for 2 years before trading it in for another new one.Hence more demand for cars and more demand for car workers and the same in all the supplying industries.
It’s only when someone like Thatcher and Reagan comes along and says that it all has to stop in the form of wage cuts in real terms relative to prices and imports of foreign products to replace those domestically produced ones that the whole thing collapses.Which is where we are now.The fact is those 1960’S US ( or UK ) industrial strength and economic figures v those of today prove who’s right.
Bewick:
The trouble is “CF” us two are looked upon by the lemmings as “mavericks” but at least we tell it how it is,and lets face it you come from an ex Labour point of view and I from a Tory one so surely we can’t both be wrong.But I really believe there should be a massive upheaval Politicswise in England and Wales,let the Scots have their independence for a while until they realise they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them !!I’ve nowt agin Scots Lads its just those SNP clowns that need stringing up!! Cheers Bewick.
Mav(e)ricks? That was good for a laugh. In case you hadn’t notice(d) most people on here agree with you, so you’re hardly mav(e)rick(s). Some people may consider you a lemming. Swings and roundabouts eh old bean?
I know it’s Friday night but please maintain your standards should you one day wish to represent us lower class before the beak
Do I have the defence that I was just spelling it as Bewick was? No? Oh ok then…I had had half a bottle of wine at this point.
Good man , and as such the case against you is dismissed
Wheel Nut:
I am staying in it and have found an unusual ally in Margaret Becket who recently spoke about car manufacturing. She said that on a trade mission to Japan the government were told that as long as the UK remained in the UK, then the big three, Toyota, Nissan and Honda would remain here too.
I have just read a report from Cranfield University who have said that the big three have built up and overtaken the sales of the British car manufacturing industry in the 80’s in fact they have increased sales even more now that Vauxhall and Ford have gone from Luton and Dagenham.
The car industry makes up a huge amount of the UK GDP, the most reliable vehicles are Japanese, and Honda has just been voted the best car for reliability and value.
The loss of Toyota in my own area of the East Midlands would be catastrophic with the loss to the other manufacturers and suppliers. I doubt the North East would cope very well and I am sure Swindon without Honda will soon be a one horse town.
I am using the car factories as an example because of the trade it brings to the ports, the hauliers and the shippers. The French manufacturers have moved out to Hungary and Romania and with that the loss to the French hauliers is huge. We couldnt build cars ourselves, but the skills are in Britain so it must have been the attitudes of the 70’s and 80’s management and designers.
my last point will be to laugh at anyone who thinks with a UK registered lorry you will be nailing it across France with speed limiter, tachograph and seat belts missing.
AETR is now in line with EC drivers hours rules and for many years they have been quite closely tied
Really so the economy is all running smoothly with no problems and we’re employing more car workers throughout the British car industry now than we were in 1969 .It’s noticeable that they’ve chosen the 1980’s to make the comparison with when our car industry,like the rest of the economy,then and since,was already suffering from the effects of our EU membership and resulting trade deficit built up since joining in 1973.
As for AETR who gives a zb.As I said I’m sure there’s plenty of scope,within the type of trade deficit which we’ve had with the EU ever since we joined it,to make the case that British trucks will run wherever they want to run subject to the regs which apply in their country of registration.If the EU wants to argue and make a trade war of it then bring it on because we can only win in such a war.It’s time to tell the Germans and the Japanese that we’ve had enough and if they don’t like it set up in France while we start building British cars here for our own,by then protected,domestic market,while they can zb off and try to sell theirs to the Greeks and the Germans.
I would rather drive a reliable car with a decent specification, if you want a Vauxhall Viva or a Ford Anglia, go ahead. They may even put you a sidevalve engine in it to make you feel your age.
Wheel Nut:
Can you not include me when you say WE.
I would rather drive a reliable car with a decent specification, if you want a Vauxhall Viva or a Ford Anglia, go ahead. They may even put you a sidevalve engine in it to make you feel your age.
I was thinking the same ever since I’ve had to be living in a place where my taxes have to go to pay for the foreign aid scam which is the EU.Which has been based a bent vote which was obtained by way of a CBI and Lib/Lab/Tory Party inspired brainwashing excercise which should have been declared nul and void as soon as it became clear to all concerned that what Heath and Wilson etc were describing had no relation to the contract which the people were being asked to sign up to and vote for.
As for the Anglia I think the British motor industry has moved on a bit since then and even in 1969 it was the ■■■■■■ by then assuming the wages wouldn’t have paid enough to buy and run a used a Mk 3 Zodiac or a Mk 2 or S type Jag.But I think we were actually importing a few Jap crap motors even then for anyone who really wanted one instead of one of those.
Wheel Nut:
Can you not include me when you say WE.
I would rather drive a reliable car with a decent specification, if you want a Vauxhall Viva or a Ford Anglia, go ahead. They may even put you a sidevalve engine in it to make you feel your age.
I was thinking the same ever since I’ve had to be living in a place where my taxes have to go to pay for the foreign aid scam which is the EU.Which has been based a bent vote which was obtained by way of a CBI and Lib/Lab/Tory Party inspired brainwashing excercise which should have been declared nul and void as soon as it became clear to all concerned that what Heath and Wilson etc were describing had no relation to the contract which the people were being asked to sign up to and vote for.
As for the Anglia I think the British motor industry has moved on a bit since then and even in 1969 it was the ■■■■■■ by then assuming the wages wouldn’t have paid enough to buy and run a used a Mk 3 Zodiac or a Mk 2 or S type Jag.But I think we were actually importing a few Jap crap motors even then for anyone who really wanted one instead of one of those.
Exactly, we were importing them, because we couldn’t build our own in your rat infested union closed shops. Once the unions had gone the Japanese came here for our expertise. We now export Japanese cars which were made in England. We couldn’t do that with Austin or BMC You cant include the Rover or the Jaguar because you cannot include the Lexus as a working mans car.
kr79:
I’d say most drivers are over 40 so there must be a shortage of young blood.
So you’re saying that absolutely none of the squaddies who’ve joined up over the years have done it because they couldn’t find a decent well paid job as a civvy instead either driving or whatever else they’d choose to do.
The shortage of young blood in the road transport industry probably has more to do with the bs experience issue which makes it too difficult for too many to get a start that’s in addition to the issue of entering an industry in which the stated government policy is to remove it from the roads wherever possible.In addition to overcapacity caused by the east european invasion and resulting reduction in income potential since EU enlargement.
Carryfast you are like my wife she could also start an argument in an empty room. I passed my test at 21 and have pretty much driven trucks all that time. I’m 34 now and when I park up somewhere either here or when I was back in blighty I was still one of the younger drivers.
There are a number of reasons there isn’t enough young blood coming in to the industry. There’s the cost of training especially with the cpc now along with having to pass c before doing. C+E then the experience trap which I can’t say affected me but does others. The kids getting into it through going out in the school holidays with dad or someone else which is how I did. There’s the conditions and hours expected in many jobs which are off putting to many.
Yes the military has always trained a fair few drivers up but they also train many other trades up.
At the moment there’s more drivers than jobs due to the country been up the creek which has been exasperated by the number of overseas drivers who came in the period when the eastern borders opened up to 2007/8 when the credit crunch hit.
Up until then you couldn’t move on here and in the trade press with people getting paid what ever an hour and firms buying top notch trucks to attract drivers.
Wheel Nut:
Can you not include me when you say WE.
I would rather drive a reliable car with a decent specification, if you want a Vauxhall Viva or a Ford Anglia, go ahead. They may even put you a sidevalve engine in it to make you feel your age.
I was thinking the same ever since I’ve had to be living in a place where my taxes have to go to pay for the foreign aid scam which is the EU.Which has been based a bent vote which was obtained by way of a CBI and Lib/Lab/Tory Party inspired brainwashing excercise which should have been declared nul and void as soon as it became clear to all concerned that what Heath and Wilson etc were describing had no relation to the contract which the people were being asked to sign up to and vote for.
As for the Anglia I think the British motor industry has moved on a bit since then and even in 1969 it was the ■■■■■■ by then assuming the wages wouldn’t have paid enough to buy and run a used a Mk 3 Zodiac or a Mk 2 or S type Jag.But I think we were actually importing a few Jap crap motors even then for anyone who really wanted one instead of one of those.
Exactly, we were importing them, because we couldn’t build our own in your rat infested union closed shops. Once the unions had gone the Japanese came here for our expertise. We now export Japanese cars which were made in England. We couldn’t do that with Austin or BMC You cant include the Rover or the Jaguar because you cannot include the Lexus as a working mans car.
How did you vote in the 1975 Referendum?
No we weren’t actually importing many Jap crap motors in 1969 because the buyers knew better back then and had more money in their pockets because the labour market was more balanced towards demand than supply and would have been even moreso if it hadn’t have been for the post war immigration policy that Enoch ( rightly ) moaned about.But if the Mk2,S type and Mk3 Zodiac weren’t a working man’s motor by the time they were around 5 years old you would have shut down most of the used car dealers in London and the Saf East.
As for the referendum I knew that Harold Wilson was a waste of space,just like Callaghan and Thatcher amongst ‘others’ running the yes campaign,even before I was old enough to vote.
By the way by ‘export’ of ‘British made’ Jap cars does that mean from foundry to finished product including most of the sub contract componentry and you didn’t answer that question related to the actual numbers of British workers emmployed in the British car industry and it’s suppliers in 1969 compared to today.
kr79:
I’d say most drivers are over 40 so there must be a shortage of young blood.
So you’re saying that absolutely none of the squaddies who’ve joined up over the years have done it because they couldn’t find a decent well paid job as a civvy instead either driving or whatever else they’d choose to do.
The shortage of young blood in the road transport industry probably has more to do with the bs experience issue which makes it too difficult for too many to get a start that’s in addition to the issue of entering an industry in which the stated government policy is to remove it from the roads wherever possible.In addition to overcapacity caused by the east european invasion and resulting reduction in income potential since EU enlargement.
Carryfast you are like my wife she could also start an argument in an empty room. I passed my test at 21 and have pretty much driven trucks all that time. I’m 34 now and when I park up somewhere either here or when I was back in blighty I was still one of the younger drivers.
There are a number of reasons there isn’t enough young blood coming in to the industry. There’s the cost of training especially with the cpc now along with having to pass c before doing. C+E then the experience trap which I can’t say affected me but does others. The kids getting into it through going out in the school holidays with dad or someone else which is how I did. There’s the conditions and hours expected in many jobs which are off putting to many.
Yes the military has always trained a fair few drivers up but they also train many other trades up.
At the moment there’s more drivers than jobs due to the country been up the creek which has been exasperated by the number of overseas drivers who came in the period when the eastern borders opened up to 2007/8 when the credit crunch hit.
Up until then you couldn’t move on here and in the trade press with people getting paid what ever an hour and firms buying top notch trucks to attract drivers.
Most of that actually agrees with what I’ve said. As for the issue of young drivers,at least from my own point of view,the job situation and income levels which I knew through the 1980’s and after,would have put off many younger drivers unless they were extremely committed to doing the job with the issue of people getting paid whatever an hour and top notch trucks being a relatively recent and short lived thing.My last yearly tax statement,from when I last worked in the industry,up to year ending April 1999,shows a total figure before stoppages,of £17879 for around 50 hours a week class 1 night trunking with one of the more reasonable payers at the time.
As for the military I wasn’t referring to just drivers.I don’t think it’s unheard of over the years,especially during the late 1970’s/1980’s recession,for at least some of those who’s lives were cut short through army service to not have been there through choice but more through the fact that there weren’t many other job opportunities.
i am ex REME part of the reason that i joined was cos i’d get my licenses - i went to tech college after school and did vehicle mechanics (not done much of this since i got behind the wheel full time) and the army gave me a permanent job doing what i wanted to do without the issue of experience.
the reason that there are few youngsters coming into the ranks these days is cos of the high cost of uni fees and then the high cost of getting c then c+e. more people are forced into getting a degree than ever before, somehow it’s seen as better for that person but it can only benefit the bankers if a person comes out of uni aged 22/23 with £9k in student debt. they’re hardly likely to wanting to take on another £3k in debt are they ■■? and with no job to walk straight into cos of the experience issue it’s no wonder that they don’t even consider it.
how many people do you know that are 22/23 yrs old and actually want to get behind the wheel of a truck ■■? in the careers office at my nieces school they’ve not even got transport on the list - it’s all about going to uni and getting the grades to go to uni and then into some clerical type job nothing about transport/warehousing etc… transport is seen as a dead end career therefore they don’t push it… not even technical college gets a mention it’s all about ‘a’ levels then onto uni — it’s no wonder that there are so many skills being lost…
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.
100 percent correct.and more.
why migraNTS can found driving jobs,but some people who born here can t found job???what you think.
yes of course all depend from area where live people but may be some young person don t want work for drivers,may be don t like taked risk,may be like aplly just for benefits.may be get better jobs.,may be like do nothing.
another stories.was worked for warehouse operatives for some big company.about 70 people British,and about 20 from some where.company give oportunnity-NEED EXTRA 5 FLT DRIVERS. they said we give to you full training for free,we pay to you full wages during training,and if you pass tests first 2-3 week you work for FLT DRIVERS without some minimum perfomance.just taked expirience,dont do accident.and for this training apply 2 old British men ,and 3 Eastern Europian.pass test ,start work,100 pound extra p/m.but to many young people who born here don t apply-o o sorry,i cant ,i worry,not for me -to danger,to many risk.SOME time young person not very like chenge something.yes this situation we can see in any country in the world.we can see workoholick,and layze,.and we can see people who can just count money what get some friend.and pay rate it is not first for drivers gross annual income.
and not to many drivers from Eu stay here if they got every week just 250 p/w for present moment i know to many drivers who leave Uk and back to Poland,Latvia.because they said ,why need work just for 300 p/w pay house rent and,if he can earn litlle less money but more cheap life.stay here basicly drivers who have kits,family,more old drivers who tired from long distance,and more young who don t try long distance.
foxy stars:
i am ex REME part of the reason that i joined was cos i’d get my licenses - i went to tech college after school and did vehicle mechanics (not done much of this since i got behind the wheel full time) and the army gave me a permanent job doing what i wanted to do without the issue of experience.
the reason that there are few youngsters coming into the ranks these days is cos of the high cost of uni fees and then the high cost of getting c then c+e. more people are forced into getting a degree than ever before, somehow it’s seen as better for that person but it can only benefit the bankers if a person comes out of uni aged 22/23 with £9k in student debt. they’re hardly likely to wanting to take on another £3k in debt are they ■■? and with no job to walk straight into cos of the experience issue it’s no wonder that they don’t even consider it.
how many people do you know that are 22/23 yrs old and actually want to get behind the wheel of a truck ■■? in the careers office at my nieces school they’ve not even got transport on the list - it’s all about going to uni and getting the grades to go to uni and then into some clerical type job nothing about transport/warehousing etc… transport is seen as a dead end career therefore they don’t push it… not even technical college gets a mention it’s all about ‘a’ levels then onto uni — it’s no wonder that there are so many skills being lost…
From my own experience of the job situation,as it was from the mid 1970’s on,it would have been very easy to have listened to all the army careers bs and end up as a statistic in Ireland or maybe the Falklands.Which is more or less all that the careers advice had to offer us at the time.It was just luck that I ended up getting a job in what remained of the British manufacturing industry at the time before Thatcher got into power and finished the job which Wilson and Callaghan started.Much of which was basically a case of giving the British manufacturing industry away to the Germans so the Germans could be even bettter off.While the same thing seems to be happening now with the transport industry being given away to the east europeans together with the policy of shifting freight from road to rail wherever possible.
You’re absolutely right about British young people being steered away from manufacturing and transport.Added to which ,as you say,is the experience bs applied by most employers in the transport industry in addition to which is competition in the labour market for drivers from east european immigrant labour in the case of those sectors of the industry which are hanging on.All of which makes the road transport industry a toxic hostile job to anyone with any sense.Therefore if I was a school leaver now I’d be doing whatever it takes to get a job as a train driver.
As for the rest,as you say,Thatcher has got her wish of turning Britain into a nation of service industry and clerical workers,at least those who can find a job,who are reliant on imported manufactured goods,with a trade deficit and resulting national debt which reflects that situation.While just as was the case in the 1970’s and 1980’s how many of those who’ve ended up as a statistic in places like Afghan were only there because they couldn’t find a job,let alone a reaonably well paid job,as a civilian.
Do I have the defence that I was just spelling it as Bewick was? No? Oh ok then…I had had half a bottle of wine at this point.
.It’s noticeable that they’ve chosen the 1980’s to make the comparison with when our car industry,like the rest of the economy,then and since,was already suffering from the effects of our EU membership and resulting trade deficit built up since joining in 1973.
