Bewick:
I’m sad to say that Dave cannot be trusted,full stop!Yes he is spouting all the BS about re-negotiating our terms of membership but he might as well try ■■■■■■■ into the wind! Plus he’s kicking everything down the road with the proviso that it will only come about if he is re-elected with a clear majority(some chance of that!)But just supposing he was was elected,he would then try to fob the electrate off with a watered down “renegotiation package” and then, of course,he’d be in power for another 5 years and may even renege on a referrendum then!I don’t want those labour [zb] in either and I believe the the Lib Dems will get wiped out at the next election and Clegg will lose his Sheffield seat as well! Only by giving the UKIP and yes the BNP(in some areas) a massive protest vote can we ever hope to shake these two main parties to their core and “back into line”,well thats MHO,and I’m going to give Nigels UKIP my vote and the conservative [zb] that represents me is only in by a wafer thin majority so I would think he’ll be right out on his arse in 2015!!Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
The trouble is “CF” us two are looked upon by the lemmings as “mavericks” but at least we tell it how it is,and lets face it you come from an ex Labour point of view and I from a Tory one so surely we can’t both be wrong.But I really believe there should be a massive upheaval Politicswise in England and Wales,let the Scots have their independence for a while until they realise they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them !!I’ve nowt agin Scots Lads its just those SNP clowns that need stringing up!! Cheers Bewick.
Mavricks? That was good for a laugh. In case you hadn’t notice most people on here agree with you, so you’re hardly mavricks. Some people may consider you a lemming. Swings and roundabouts eh old bean?
We have to stay in who else could the cretins who run this country blame for our demise if they couldnt blame the EU?
Look at how much it cost us for “straight bannanas” (The super soaraway SUN) the “law” never existed.
We have as much if not more say as most states in the EU but what sort of country votes in an anti EU politician to represent us in the ■■■■■ EU.
Dont you think these tow rags might have their own agenda?
switchlogic:
Bewick:
The trouble is “CF” us two are looked upon by the lemmings as “mavericks” but at least we tell it how it is,and lets face it you come from an ex Labour point of view and I from a Tory one so surely we can’t both be wrong.But I really believe there should be a massive upheaval Politicswise in England and Wales,let the Scots have their independence for a while until they realise they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them !!I’ve nowt agin Scots Lads its just those SNP clowns that need stringing up!! Cheers Bewick.Mav(e)ricks? That was good for a laugh. In case you hadn’t notice(d) most people on here agree with you, so you’re hardly mav(e)rick(s). Some people may consider you a lemming. Swings and roundabouts eh old bean?
I know it’s Friday night but please maintain your standards should you one day wish to represent us lower class before the beak 
flat to the mat:
switchlogic:
Bewick:
The trouble is “CF” us two are looked upon by the lemmings as “mavericks” but at least we tell it how it is,and lets face it you come from an ex Labour point of view and I from a Tory one so surely we can’t both be wrong.But I really believe there should be a massive upheaval Politicswise in England and Wales,let the Scots have their independence for a while until they realise they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them !!I’ve nowt agin Scots Lads its just those SNP clowns that need stringing up!! Cheers Bewick.Mav(e)ricks? That was good for a laugh. In case you hadn’t notice(d) most people on here agree with you, so you’re hardly mav(e)rick(s). Some people may consider you a lemming. Swings and roundabouts eh old bean?
I know it’s Friday night but please maintain your standards should you one day wish to represent us lower class before the beak
I think he’s knocked that on the head
dessy:
We as drivers will still have to use EU regs in or out if going over there! At least if we are out we control who comes here! And all the negativity that occurs because of free movement!
I Britain will not leave the common market the freedom of movement still aplies. And we all know that eaven if GB leaves EU it won’t leave EEC. Just a thing to educate you.
MisterStrood:
dessy:
We as drivers will still have to use EU regs in or out if going over there! At least if we are out we control who comes here! And all the negativity that occurs because of free movement!I Britain will not leave the common market the freedom of movement still aplies. And we all know that eaven if GB leaves EU it won’t leave EEC. Just a thing to educate you.
Britain will not leave the EU, Cameron just collecting some votes. Also, the migration problems not really Eu generated, the Third World refugees are the problem. For France too.
flat to the mat:
switchlogic:
Bewick:
The trouble is “CF” us two are looked upon by the lemmings as “mavericks” but at least we tell it how it is,and lets face it you come from an ex Labour point of view and I from a Tory one so surely we can’t both be wrong.But I really believe there should be a massive upheaval Politicswise in England and Wales,let the Scots have their independence for a while until they realise they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them !!I’ve nowt agin Scots Lads its just those SNP clowns that need stringing up!! Cheers Bewick.Mav(e)ricks? That was good for a laugh. In case you hadn’t notice(d) most people on here agree with you, so you’re hardly mav(e)rick(s). Some people may consider you a lemming. Swings and roundabouts eh old bean?
I know it’s Friday night but please maintain your standards should you one day wish to represent us lower class before the beak
Do I have the defence that I was just spelling it as Bewick was? No? Oh ok then…I had had half a bottle of wine at this point.
Carryfast:
‘…The reason why many places in the EU have better standards of infrastructure and health care than we do is because of all the transfer of wealth which has taken place over the years from Britain’s economy to the EU…’
I’m unsure whether this is wholly ‘…the reason…’
As a patriot, I prefer to focus on how Britain can restore it’s self-governance from the sad situation of capitulation that has occurred via the Lib-Lab-Con and has been plated-up and given - alongside trillions of ££’s - to the faceless, grey state ‘servants’ (when they should be serving us too) conniving with undemocratic diktats (eg, the DCPC) puked upon us from Brussels/Strasbourg 
Happy Keith:
Carryfast:
‘…The reason why many places in the EU have better standards of infrastructure and health care than we do is because of all the transfer of wealth which has taken place over the years from Britain’s economy to the EU…’I’m unsure whether this is wholly ‘…the reason…’
As a patriot, I prefer to focus on how Britain can restore it’s self-governance from the sad situation of capitulation that has occurred via the Lib-Lab-Con and has been plated-up and given - alongside trillions of ££’s - to the faceless, grey state ‘servants’ (when they should be serving us too) conniving with undemocratic diktats (eg, the DCPC) puked upon us from Brussels/Strasbourg
Those ‘trillions’ of pounds haven’t gone to any faceless ‘servants’.It’s simply a case that the EU contributions budget is just a wealth redistribution excercise in which a few of the the states which are considered as being ‘richer’ are ‘asked’ to pay into a fund to support the others that are considered as being ‘poorer’.Basically the whole thing is a foreign aid scam in which British tax payers have to pay loads a money to less well off countries to support their people and to provide them with money to pay for German made goods.All for the privilege of running a net trade deficit which means yet more money being paid out for goods which we could be making for ourselves and which means less jobs and less tax revenues in the domestic economy.Added to that the domestic labour market is subject to an open door immigration policy,which the CBI want to distort the labour market in favour of over supply,rather than what’s needed of as much demand,if not more,for labour as supply to increase wage levels and therefore demand.
As for Britain’s so called democracy and self governance that’s just been a case of a choice of dictatorship every 5 years based on what the big business interests of the CBI want.However staying part of an increasingly federal europe isn’t going to improve that issue.
Dennisthemenace:
MisterStrood:
dessy:
We as drivers will still have to use EU regs in or out if going over there! At least if we are out we control who comes here! And all the negativity that occurs because of free movement!I Britain will not leave the common market the freedom of movement still aplies. And we all know that eaven if GB leaves EU it won’t leave EEC. Just a thing to educate you.
Britain will not leave the EU, Cameron just collecting some votes. Also, the migration problems not really Eu generated, the Third World refugees are the problem. For France too.
There’s no way that you can say that Britain will not leave the EU without first getting a mandate by way of a referendum.The issue of East European migrant labour,distorting the domestic labour markets of the EU countries like Britain,is EU generated and is actually a symptom of the move towards a federal Europe in which the idea of nation states and borders is obviously an irrelevance.
As for the issue of Britain’s historic use of immigrant labour,to distort our domestic labour market,that’s another issue which will need sorting ‘after’ we’ve got rid of the idea of being a part of the EU depending on the results of that referendum which needs to be held now not when,more like if,Cameron decides to allow it.
Carryfast:
Dennisthemenace:
MisterStrood:
dessy:
We as drivers will still have to use EU regs in or out if going over there! At least if we are out we control who comes here! And all the negativity that occurs because of free movement!I Britain will not leave the common market the freedom of movement still aplies. And we all know that eaven if GB leaves EU it won’t leave EEC. Just a thing to educate you.
Britain will not leave the EU, Cameron just collecting some votes. Also, the migration problems not really Eu generated, the Third World refugees are the problem. For France too.
There’s no way that you can say that Britain will not leave the EU without first getting a mandate by way of a referendum.The issue of East European migrant labour,distorting the domestic labour markets of the EU countries like Britain,is EU generated and is actually a symptom of the move towards a federal Europe in which the idea of nation states and borders is obviously an irrelevance.
As for the issue of Britain’s historic use of immigrant labour,to distort our domestic labour market,that’s another issue which will need sorting ‘after’ we’ve got rid of the idea of being a part of the EU depending on the results of that referendum which needs to be held now not when,more like if,Cameron decides to allow it.
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.
Dennisthemenace:
Carryfast:
Dennisthemenace:
MisterStrood:
dessy:
We as drivers will still have to use EU regs in or out if going over there! At least if we are out we control who comes here! And all the negativity that occurs because of free movement!I Britain will not leave the common market the freedom of movement still aplies. And we all know that eaven if GB leaves EU it won’t leave EEC. Just a thing to educate you.
Britain will not leave the EU, Cameron just collecting some votes. Also, the migration problems not really Eu generated, the Third World refugees are the problem. For France too.
There’s no way that you can say that Britain will not leave the EU without first getting a mandate by way of a referendum.The issue of East European migrant labour,distorting the domestic labour markets of the EU countries like Britain,is EU generated and is actually a symptom of the move towards a federal Europe in which the idea of nation states and borders is obviously an irrelevance.
As for the issue of Britain’s historic use of immigrant labour,to distort our domestic labour market,that’s another issue which will need sorting ‘after’ we’ve got rid of the idea of being a part of the EU depending on the results of that referendum which needs to be held now not when,more like if,Cameron decides to allow it.
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.
Immigrant labour of whatever form,wether drivers or any other trade,is a problem because it distorts the labour supply side of the domestic labour market.Which makes wages lower than they would otherwise be.Which has always been the motivation behind the British big business use of immigrant labour since the days of slavery.As opposed to just using it in the case of where there is too much demand in the economy for the domestic labour supply to cope with which has never been,and never will be,an issue here.What’s needed is a total change in thinking amongst British business and government from the failed policy of keeping wages and therefore domestic demand down,in a trade deficit situation, with the EU and the global free market economy,to one of protectionism in order to keep wages and therefore demand high and then make sure that the resulting growth in that demand is satisfied by the domestic workforce, producing domestically made goods,not importation of goods and labour,wherever possible.
Dennisthemenace:
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.
The problem in the UK is that there are too many drivers chasing too few jobs, so the demand for drivers is over supplied.
Whenever there is a glut of anything, prices tumble.
If there was a shortage of drivers, the price (wages) of drivers would increase as firms would need to attract and keep drivers, or their loads wouldn’t get shifted.
If there were no immigrant drivers here, there would be more demand for the remaining indigenous drivers.
Of course the Brit drivers struggling to find work here could look for work in another country too, such as the ones that ship out to Canada.
I’m in Canada driving. Why are they recruiting overseas though the answer is simple who in there right mind wants to live in a tin box for weeks on end with mileage pay when you can get a job that pays ok and you get home regular.
You will always get some locals doing it for the hell of it but not enough. Same as been a hgv driver in the uk thousands getting license then the no experience crap in many places a 70 hour week kipping in a lay by.
So the Canadian government opens up the job to immigrants same as what’s happened in the uk. With the eastern invasion.
You see a Canadian truck in the states it’s just as likely to be a Brit,swede,Russian or Indian driving it as a Canadian
Big Jon’s dad:
Dennisthemenace:
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.The problem in the UK is that there are too many drivers chasing too few jobs, so the demand for drivers is over supplied.
Whenever there is a glut of anything, prices tumble.
If there was a shortage of drivers, the price (wages) of drivers would increase as firms would need to attract and keep drivers, or their loads wouldn’t get shifted.
If there were no immigrant drivers here, there would be more demand for the remaining indigenous drivers.
Of course the Brit drivers struggling to find work here could look for work in another country too, such as the ones that ship out to Canada.
Dunno, I still can see many job offers. Also, in my opinion, there are plenty of old people among the british lorrydrivers, that a bit curious. I used to work for agency, where I was young with my 40 years… Does it mean, maybe, the most of the british young peole do not really wanna be driver■■? About Canada; I would take a chance to try myself there (I love those cool trucks, who doesn’t?)but my wifey and the kids love the UK so much, do not wanna go anywhere…
I’d say most drivers are over 40 so there must be a shortage of young blood.
It’s out for me aswell
What’s he going to renegotiate? As usual no substance to anything these tossers tell you but as his personal rating has just gone up in the polls (never heard of the company carrying out the said poll though) he will become even more presidential. Smoke and mirrors as per usual. The race to the you know where continues apace! Enjoy the triple dip and all that goes with it.
Big Jon’s dad:
Dennisthemenace:
The migrant drivers are not problem, cos they work for the same salary like the british collagues. At british companies, of course.The problem in the UK is that there are too many drivers chasing too few jobs, so the demand for drivers is over supplied.
Whenever there is a glut of anything, prices tumble.
If there was a shortage of drivers, the price (wages) of drivers would increase as firms would need to attract and keep drivers, or their loads wouldn’t get shifted.
If there were no immigrant drivers here, there would be more demand for the remaining indigenous drivers.
Of course the Brit drivers struggling to find work here could look for work in another country too, such as the ones that ship out to Canada.
It’s not just the labour market for drivers it’s the labour market as a whole.If we take that situation,as you’ve described it,to it’s logical conclusion,we’d replace the whole of the British workforce with East European or whatever cheap labour while our own indigenous workforce/population,obviously except those who profit form the situation,all emigrates.In which case the big business interests would have defeated the object of Britain as a nation.
It doesn’t take a genius to realise that economic and immigration policy,as historically applied to Britain,has mostly been about keeping labour supply in excess of demand for labour,under the flawed idea that keeping wage levels down is better for the economy. 