The difference between sturgeon and le pen is Scotland is not a country in its own right. Le pen wants a white French only nation, sturgeon wants Scotland to have nationhood.
Once we have that we will get rid of all you knuckle draggers with your misspelled love n hate tattoos on your fingers.
Carryfast:
alicks77:
I agree with you on corruption in trade blocks but the original idea was everyone to be playing to a similar set of rules.EU regs where suppose to mean that there was similar standards across EU. Which has worked to a certain extent because go to 3rd world/china to manufacture goods for cheap labour. But this is becoming more troublesome for companies as consumers put pressure on companies to behave. Primark paying people 10p a day and scandals like that.
This is why I think farage wants out of EU. He talks of regulations from Brussels, I think he fears EU regulating businesses that not only manufacture in EU but sell in EU. Imagine EU said to sell stuff here workers who make it must have decent conditions. Big businesses would be in uproar.
Now you’re going for the workers rights bs.You mean the workers ‘rights’ like wage limits that Europhiles Callaghan and Healey imposed or the right to secondary strike action that Europhile Thatcher took away around 10 years after we joined the scam.Or East Euro minimum wage v west Euro.Or British jobs for German workers in the form of German manufacturing imports.Now awaits yet more bs excuses.
No that’s sort of what I was saying EU was suppose to be evening out playing field but as other gentleman pointed out it got corrupted as trading blocks do.
But is EU is young in grand scale of things, hopefully it will get stronger as it goes on. There is no comparison we where worse off before the EU .
alicks77:
The difference between sturgeon and le pen is Scotland is not a country in its own right. Le pen wants a white French only nation, sturgeon wants Scotland to have nationhood.Once we have that we will get rid of all you knuckle draggers with your misspelled love n hate tattoos on your fingers.
Yes ethnic French do just happen to be white it goes with territory.So why is skin colour so important to you being that I look as dark as any North African after a holiday in the Mediterranean areas.
If Sturgeon wants Scotland to have Nationhood you ain’t going to do it by making Scots foreigners in their own country.But Scots already know that which is why they can talk the talk regarding letting loads of immigrants in just so long as France and England take them.But I’m sure we could both send at least 6 million ethnic Asian and North Africans there if the Scots think it would help to ‘enrich’ Scottish culture.On that note I’m sure Merkel is planning that right now with all that empty land space going to waste. 
alicks77:
Carryfast:
alicks77:
I agree with you on corruption in trade blocks but the original idea was everyone to be playing to a similar set of rules.EU regs where suppose to mean that there was similar standards across EU. Which has worked to a certain extent because go to 3rd world/china to manufacture goods for cheap labour. But this is becoming more troublesome for companies as consumers put pressure on companies to behave. Primark paying people 10p a day and scandals like that.
This is why I think farage wants out of EU. He talks of regulations from Brussels, I think he fears EU regulating businesses that not only manufacture in EU but sell in EU. Imagine EU said to sell stuff here workers who make it must have decent conditions. Big businesses would be in uproar.
Now you’re going for the workers rights bs.You mean the workers ‘rights’ like wage limits that Europhiles Callaghan and Healey imposed or the right to secondary strike action that Europhile Thatcher took away around 10 years after we joined the scam.Or East Euro minimum wage v west Euro.Or British jobs for German workers in the form of German manufacturing imports.Now awaits yet more bs excuses.
No that’s sort of what I was saying EU was suppose to be evening out playing field but as other gentleman pointed out it got corrupted as trading blocks do.
But is EU is young in grand scale of things, hopefully it will get stronger as it goes on. There is no comparison we where worse off before the EU .
It got corrupted within 5 years of us joining you mean in the case of Callaghan’s attacks on the working class in the form of his below inflation wage controls and giving Brit jobs to German workers resulting in over 3 million unemployed by the early 1980’s.Or around 10 years in the case of Thatcher’s trade union rights ‘reforms’ in addition to smashing the NUM and with it the end of the Trade Unions’ strength here.On that note how do you explain the difference in the outcomes of the 1972 miners strike v 1984.You really are avin a larf.
I am not avin a larf in fact this is the very opposite of avin a larf to me.
Carry you really should vote to leave EU. I am suprised you still live in uk considering that it always will be geographically part of Europe. You blame everything on the EU, if the earth is hit by a meteor I hope I survive long enough to log on here to see you blame the EU for it.
You imply utopia before and if we leave the EU and I beleive you are wrong. You have made it in to such a massive bogeyman that if we were to leave EU and it went badly it would cause you physiological harm.
They say that politicians are hard faced, but what is it about tory women particularly, why are they so damnably ugly? that Amber Rudd and Nicky Morgan must have hit every branch. Angela Eagles is as bad. 
Winseer:
The Issues of “Immigration” “Immigrants” and “Illegal Immigrants” plus “Criminal immigrants” are four completely seperate issues.Plus, don’t immigrants that have been here more than 5 years get a vote on this referendum in their own right?
You’d be wrong in assuming they’d be voting “Remain”… They don’t like the look of these no-speke English “no papers” types when they’ve taken the trouble to integrate, and learn our language properly either.
Indeed.
I’ve had discussions with several Polish blokes about this, settled here permanently, every one of them would be voting out if they had the chance, they don’t like whats coming either.
The MOST annoying part of the debate on ITV was RUDD and on BBC Question Time Izzard never ever come across two people more annoying
cav551:
They say that politicians are hard faced, but what is it about tory women particularly, why are they so damnably ugly? that Amber Rudd and Nicky Morgan must have hit every branch. Angela Eagles is as bad.
Those two snarling dwarfs didn’t do the remainians too many favours, and if Boris had been half as nasty back, just imagine the howls of disgust coming from the feminazis
How has this thread not been brought down by mods as all pro remain threads have been I don’t know.
I guess mods think lorry drivers are too stupid and can’t think for themselves and they can only be allow to be exposed to the only accepted party line of leaving the EU.
OK, so when we leave:
So, since we have established here and on other threads that leaving the EU would change nothing and only make things worst for ourselves, can anyone remind me the REAL reasons why some on this forum want us to leave?
Brexiters want this country to become a basket case and a new european banana republic.
I actualy have a lot of respect for Cameron, he tried his best, try to negotiate a better deal, but UE refused, as you can not allow some to be in the EU on better conditions that others and it is fair.
Cameron didn’t get ■■■■■■ off, knowing he didn’t gain much he is still supporting us to stay in the EU as the only sense making choice.
Brexiters want to make us a beggars and a laughing stock all over the world, and I definitely don’t want to be part of that.
Are we really that stupid?
one more things regarding immigration.
Last week I heard on BBC 4 that in 2014 or 15 immigration from outside the EU was greater than from inside the EU.
The trouble for remain, is the fact they shouted lie at everything brexit said, but buttoned up about the over 2000 enforced regulations and laws, and Sturgeon didn’t bark back when called undemocratic and accused of using the federalist eu to override democratic parliament to her favour. They say silence is deafening. And Eagles did them no favours by saying we are a federal state.
Also interesting to watch itn pull apart the lies afterwards. They pulled 2 so called lies from both sides, and decided the brexit “lies” we’re true, although the figures were misleading, although to be fair they stand by the need for gross figures as well as net. But the remain sides “truths” were both proven to be lies. The nhs doesn’t rely on eu labour we will not lose workers rights as they are set in British law and would need to be repealed.
The forecasts and projections for financial Armageddon are also based on the worse case scenario, which would be the eu pulling up the drawbridge and refusing all trade, which will never happen. Scaremongering at its best. And listening to lbc this morning, David Bewick, a respected financial commentator, says there are a lot of signs in the city that they are not in the slightest bit worried about brexit.
The more this campaign goes on, the more remain panic, and mostly because the loudest voices have the most to lose. Unfortunately it would carry no weight, for all these europhile millionaires to come on tv and tell you they will lose millions, so they have to hoodwink you into thinking about your pockets.
Just do a little reading on the eu, it’s former actions and future mandate, it’s not a pretty sight. The only true fact, is there are no facts about what will happen 2 weeks today, as we’re not there yet. But looking at the campaign, there are facts from brexit about what the eu is, and forecasts on what we will be after exit. From remain there are no facts at all, just a doomy fear based forecast of a life after brexit, that simply isn’t true.
Chose wisely, as this will be the only vote for at least 3 generations, proof of proof were needed that it’s undemocratic. What do you want for your last days, and the rest of your children’s lives and whole of your grandchildrens lives. One slight doubt about it and your conscience should turn you to brexit
anon84679660:
one more things regarding immigration.
Last week I heard on BBC 4 that in 2014 or 15 immigration from outside the EU was greater than from inside the EU.
Could be because there are 28 other countries in the eu, and 167 outside of it The fact the difference in numbers is so small, should be a reason to worry, not to rejoice
Remain keep blabbering on about trade deals and how hell will freeze over if Britain leaves the eu. Trade deals are for look-at-me politicians to go on many extended expenses-paid ‘fact’ finding missions at our expense, and eventually return proclaiming how clever they are. Meanwhile the two bodies who really matter just decide between themselves what happens … the customer and the manufacturer who produces the product. If the man in the French rue or German Bahn wants Marmite he’s going to buy it whatever any eurocrat says.
anon84679660:
How has this thread not been brought down by mods as all pro remain threads have been I don’t know.
I guess mods think lorry drivers are too stupid and can’t think for themselves and they can only be allow to be exposed to the only accepted party line of leaving the EU.OK, so when we leave:
- We’ll have to beg Germans, French, Eastern Europeans for years to let us trade with them, fact
- We’ll have to pay money into the EU as other rich European countries that are outside of EU have to do, so forget about Boris; idea of saving millions for NHS, lol, lol, fact
- WE’ll have to allow free movement of people as it is the case with other rich European countries outside of EU, so anybody from EU will be able to come in and stay and live in this country as it has been till now, fact
- Only thanks to EU we are being protected from exploitation and are being defended by 48 hrs a week average. If EU goes haulage companies will be trying to remove this inconvenience. Turkeys voting for Christmas?
- Some here suggest that we are very attractive to other EU countries because we have a large trading deficit.
So following this line of thinking we will have to have this trading deficit for ever to make us attractive to other countries, which will lead to the UK going bankrupt as it is with anybody borrowing money to buy goods and not being able to produce himself enough to sell and have enough to buy goods from others.
So, I understand brexiters are OK with the UK going bust? Strange reasoning.- Some say that if we leave we are going to spared when the cabotage rules are going to be relaxed, lol, wishful thinking.
Cabotage rules are going to be part of any new trade agreement and we will have to accept them as part of any trade deal that is going to be offered to us.- Canada took 7 years of negotiations to agree some trade agreement with EU and it is only part of the process, many years still to come, and even canadians are saying they had to accept whatever EU offered them and have nothing to say on how these laws are being shaped.
- Trump is happy to see us out, lol, he has issues with Cameron , so he would love to see Cameron fail.
- Putin is a great brexit supporter, so that’s about the only world leader advising us to leave, lol.
- There is a new free trade deal being discussed between EU, over a 400 million consumers market and the US.
Anyone who follows it, or has any idea of what americans want us to accept, will know that only because we are in the EU and part of over 400 million people market we have a chance of not being shafted by americans.
When we leave the EU as a small country we will have to take whatever US proposes us , or get nothing.- EU citizens that are here already will be staying anyway, even brexit leaders accept it and say remainers are trying to scare EU citizens that are living here, and that no one in their right mind will try to expel EU citizens from the UK.
- Scots have been saying for a long time, they want to remain in the UE, and if UK decides to leave they will leave the UK.
So, since we have established here and on other threads that leaving the EU would change nothing and only make things worst for ourselves, can anyone remind me the REAL reasons why some on this forum want us to leave?
Brexiters want this country to become a basket case and a new european banana republic.
I actualy have a lot of respect for Cameron, he tried his best, try to negotiate a better deal, but UE refused, as you can not allow some to be in the EU on better conditions that others and it is fair.
Cameron didn’t get ■■■■■■ off, knowing he didn’t gain much he is still supporting us to stay in the EU as the only sense making choice.Brexiters want to make us a beggars and a laughing stock all over the world, and I definitely don’t want to be part of that.
Are we really that stupid?
I’m sorry but anyone who puts “lol, lol,” into their argument has instantly and permanently lost any credibility as far as I’m concerned, (and that’s without all the Remain BS you spouted) just go back to watching Cartoon Network and let the grown ups continue their discussion.
Oh and what is it with Cameronesque “fact!” thing? is this now the war cry of the Remainists?
Do the Brexit supporters not realise that their leader Boris is argueing so vociferously as this is in effect his C.V. for Tory leadership?
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Munchkin:
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He may well be, but he’s not the be all and end all of the campaign. And anyway, Chris Grayling and Theresa May are in front of him for the keys to Number 10
Munchkin:
Do the Brexit supporters not realise that their leader Boris is argueing so vociferously as this is in effect his C.V. for Tory leadership?Sent from my X17 using Tapatalk
After brexit , it’s would be a good time to call a general election and Boris and co couldn’t run a bath,The problem is this what are the alternatives to a tory government ? they are all as bad as each other
If Brexit happens then Dave’s position becomes untenable so it’ll be a leadership election for which Boris will have positioned himself rather well!
Don’t say you weren’t warned.
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