Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…
Has she now retracted that comment?
Also your reply’s are to big and rambling, need to be more concise. Hitler was a Facist he masqueraded as nationalist. Generally a man is define by his actions not his words. Also just because someone claimed to be a christian say then behaved unchristian like does not mean we change definition of Christian. You see what I mean?
el_presidente:
Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…Has she now retracted that comment?
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In all honesty as someone who voted for independence I don’t think this will happen. She won’t call for a vote until she knows she can win. So she will probably wait hoping ■■■■ hits the fan with EU exit ( you know the bit when the sky falls in) then call it.
alicks77:
el_presidente:
Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…Has she now retracted that comment?
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In all honesty as someone who voted for independence I don’t think this will happen. She won’t call for a vote until she knows she can win. So she will probably wait hoping [zb] hits the fan with EU exit ( you know the bit when the sky falls in) then call it.
I can kind of see the rationale there, but I don’t think the results will be that clear cut. More disharmony ahead.
Plus you’d have to ditch GBP and adopt the Euro. 
el_presidente:
alicks77:
el_presidente:
Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…Has she now retracted that comment?
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In all honesty as someone who voted for independence I don’t think this will happen. She won’t call for a vote until she knows she can win. So she will probably wait hoping [zb] hits the fan with EU exit ( you know the bit when the sky falls in) then call it.
I can kind of see the rationale there, but I don’t think the results will be that clear cut. More disharmony ahead.
Plus you’d have to ditch GBP and adopt the Euro.
I sort of agree with you, I don’t think Scotland is as pro EU as she thinks. But we don’t go around blaming immigrants for every issue under the sun, like you lot.
We go around attacking each other for ■■■■■ and giggles. Lol
No we could use gbp as it’s a traded currency or the dollar or the yen. We even have our own bank notes and everything, like a proper grown up country. A little known fact is we gave you the currency it was ours, the building that the bank of England is in belonged to Scotland first. Can you guess what it was called?
The bank of Scotland. I shot you not.
alicks77:
Also your reply’s are to big and rambling, need to be more concise. Hitler was a Facist he masqueraded as nationalist. Generally a man is define by his actions not his words. Also just because someone claimed to be a christian say then behaved unchristian like does not mean we change definition of Christian. You see what I mean?
Yes Hitler was a fascist which is just part of the spectrum of Socialist.So we’re agreed that Nationalist isn’t fascist ?.In which case we’re really getting somewhere because that is the key definition which nails the lie that Marine Le Pen is a ■■■■.It also shows that exact binary difference between Nationalist ( Le Pen ) v Socialist/Federalist.In which case as I’v said Sturgeon is not only a Federalist she’s also standing on the false ticket of being a so called Nationalist.Nationalist in her case obviously meaning standing for the sovereignty of the Scottish government over both the UK and the EU.In which case why is she standing for EU Federal rule over Scotland ‘if’ she’s supposedly a ‘Nationalist’.
Which leaves the question assuming ‘left’ means what’s good for the working class what makes you think that Nationalist doesn’t mean left ?.
alicks77:
el_presidente:
alicks77:
el_presidente:
Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…Has she now retracted that comment?
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In all honesty as someone who voted for independence I don’t think this will happen. She won’t call for a vote until she knows she can win. So she will probably wait hoping [zb] hits the fan with EU exit ( you know the bit when the sky falls in) then call it.
I can kind of see the rationale there, but I don’t think the results will be that clear cut. More disharmony ahead.
Plus you’d have to ditch GBP and adopt the Euro.
I sort of agree with you, I don’t think Scotland is as pro EU as she thinks. But we don’t go around blaming immigrants for every issue under the sun, like you lot.
We go around attacking each other for [zb] and giggles. LolNo we could use gbp as it’s a traded currency or the dollar or the yen. We even have our own bank notes and everything, like a proper grown up country. A little known fact is we gave you the currency it was ours, the building that the bank of England is in belonged to Scotland first. Can you guess what it was called?
The bank of Scotland. I shot you not.
When I lived up your way I got blamed for all sorts…bloomin immigrant they would say…simply because I speak the Queen’s English. Pal. 
Anyhow, all new joiners to the EU club must adopt the single currency.
alicks77:
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In which case why wouldn’t it be equally justified for England to call for dissolution of the UK if the majority of the English vote to leave against a UK vote for remain ?.I’m guessing that isn’t part of her agenda.
Which still leaves the glaring question of why a so called Scottish ‘Nationalist’ wants Federal rule from Brussels instead of Westminster.
rearaxle:
Jimmy Krankie (Nicola Sturgeon)Scotish independance trying to tell the UK to stay in the EUyou couldn’t make it up
She forgets 55% were in favour of staying in the UK, and thinks 100% of Scots now want us in the EU. Even if it’s only 55% - Remain are going to struggle to find swathes of people that think like that over the top Amber Rudd did tonight. What a daft way to run a “Better the devil you know” campaign! All her assertions about Leave were based on their arguments being 100% invalid.
It’s kinda like "£350m a week is a total lie. Even if it’s £349m a week instead - it’s still a total lie. But everything we say, despite not having a Crystal Ball either - is 100% fact.
Well NO ONE gave the winner of Next year’s grand national or this weekend’s lottery numbers.
Remain would try to argue that "next year’s GN winner would be Rule the World - cos he won it this year, and that’s our pick then: The devil we know. The pick that requires no cerebral input for an alternative whatsoever.
Never mind the fact that Rule the World has already been retired as a racehorse, meaning anyone who’s backed it ante-post to win next year’s Grand National - has already gubbed their cash away. 
If you bet on ■■■■■■■■ - you get to win ■■■■■■■■ if you’re right, but lose everything if you’re wrong.
If you back a longshot on the other hand - and you win - Victory is sweet indeed.
Vote Leave have been the underdogs throughout this campaign, with the professional EU advocates (but not actual real people for real reasons) are pumping them up with their own often-wrong drivel.
Hero of the Hour: Gisela Stuart.
Zero: Amber Rudd.
alicks77:
I sort of agree with you, I don’t think Scotland is as pro EU as she thinks. But we don’t go around blaming immigrants for every issue under the sun, like you
That’s because the Scots are a hypocritical bunch of NIMBY’s that haven’t taken their fair share and left mostly England,especially London and the South East,to take them all instead.
On that note an immigrant UK loyalist Scottish demographic worked well for Ireland,not.What makes you think that the Scots now want a re run in heir own back yard this time with the Turkish helped Islamic invasion heading this way.It would be Karma though. 
The Issues of “Immigration” “Immigrants” and “Illegal Immigrants” plus “Criminal immigrants” are four completely seperate issues.
Plus, don’t immigrants that have been here more than 5 years get a vote on this referendum in their own right?
You’d be wrong in assuming they’d be voting “Remain”… They don’t like the look of these no-speke English “no papers” types when they’ve taken the trouble to integrate, and learn our language properly either.
Carryfast:
alicks77:
I sort of agree with you, I don’t think Scotland is as pro EU as she thinks. But we don’t go around blaming immigrants for every issue under the sun, like youThat’s because the Scots are a hypocritical bunch of NIMBY’s that haven’t taken their fair share and left mostly England,especially London and the South East,to take them all instead.
On that note an immigrant UK loyalist Scottish demographic worked well for Ireland,not.What makes you think that the Scots now want a re run in heir own back yard this time with the Turkish helped Islamic invasion heading this way.It would be Karma though.
As usual just open the mouth and let the hate flow out.
We took more kosovo refugees and have taken more Syrians and where the first part of uk to take them. The issue is they don’t all choose to stay in Scotland but once they have right to stay they can move. It’s not stalins Russia carry?
Also think about it . If you came from warm country and moved to Scotland and only time you saw the sun was a picture in a book, you’d be off too.
el_presidente:
alicks77:
el_presidente:
alicks77:
el_presidente:
Unless I’ve missed something she has been on record saying it is ‘more likely than not’ she will seek a second Indie vote within her current term as First Minister…Has she now retracted that comment?
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.
In all honesty as someone who voted for independence I don’t think this will happen. She won’t call for a vote until she knows she can win. So she will probably wait hoping [zb] hits the fan with EU exit ( you know the bit when the sky falls in) then call it.
I can kind of see the rationale there, but I don’t think the results will be that clear cut. More disharmony ahead.
Plus you’d have to ditch GBP and adopt the Euro.
I sort of agree with you, I don’t think Scotland is as pro EU as she thinks. But we don’t go around blaming immigrants for every issue under the sun, like you lot.
We go around attacking each other for [zb] and giggles. LolNo we could use gbp as it’s a traded currency or the dollar or the yen. We even have our own bank notes and everything, like a proper grown up country. A little known fact is we gave you the currency it was ours, the building that the bank of England is in belonged to Scotland first. Can you guess what it was called?
The bank of Scotland. I shot you not.
When I lived up your way I got blamed for all sorts…bloomin immigrant they would say…simply because I speak the Queen’s English. Pal.
Anyhow, all new joiners to the EU club must adopt the single currency.
Yes obviously it was your fault. You’re lucky you didn’t get burned as a witch for speaking in tongues.
And the euro is dead, if it wasn’t for the uk referendum thing I think we would be seeing it get slowly withdrawn. Germany has apparently been printing marks in preparation for it.
Carryfast:
alicks77:
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.In which case why wouldn’t it be equally justified for England to call for dissolution of the UK if the majority of the English vote to leave against a UK vote for remain ?.I’m guessing that isn’t part of her agenda.
Which still leaves the glaring question of why a so called Scottish ‘Nationalist’ wants Federal rule from Brussels instead of Westminster.
Really?
So someone that wants Scotland to be independent would want the dissolution of the uk? Thus giving Scotland independence?
There are 55 million people in England roughly and 5 million in Scotland, and you think if Scotland votes to stay England will be kept in? This puts all your economic posts in a new light.
Take a breath, make sure the tin foil hat is on correctly then have a think about what you want to say.
As for the nationalist wanting to be part of a federation. This is because nationalism is a busted flush, we live in a globalised world. A country can’t make it on its own, you need to be part of a trading block.
alicks77:
As for the nationalist wanting to be part of a federation. This is because nationalism is a busted flush, we live in a globalised world. A country can’t make it on its own, you need to be part of a trading block.
Globalization = unchecked cheap labour or cheap labour’s goods flowing around the world. Trade blocks are the busted flush, as there’s so much money taken out en-route - the original purpose of the trade arrangement is getting lost in the corruption and how those corrupt monies are spent.
Are the EU presidents any better than another human being in a suit?
I’d argue that they are the lowest of the low, as they nick our cash, and we can’t even vote them out. The public has the same arrangements with gangsters, and also of course - “Banksters” and dictatorships.
Globalization is the symptom of what’s wrong with the world. Too many people in the poor places now moving freely to where there’s too few rich people to make a serious stand against that culture shock. 
“Freedom except Freedom to act irresponsibly” is still far in the future it seems.
alicks77:
Carryfast:
alicks77:
No she said if the majority of people in Scotland vote to stay in Europe but England votes to leave. She will then ask for referendum because Scotland will be taken out of Europe against its will.In which case why wouldn’t it be equally justified for England to call for dissolution of the UK if the majority of the English vote to leave against a UK vote for remain ?.I’m guessing that isn’t part of her agenda.
Which still leaves the glaring question of why a so called Scottish ‘Nationalist’ wants Federal rule from Brussels instead of Westminster.
Really?
So someone that wants Scotland to be independent would want the dissolution of the uk? Thus giving Scotland independence?
There are 55 million people in England roughly and 5 million in Scotland, and you think if Scotland votes to stay England will be kept in? This puts all your economic posts in a new light.
Take a breath, make sure the tin foil hat is on correctly then have a think about what you want to say.
You mean that your maths isn’t good enough to realise the possibility that the Scottish in vote ‘when added’ to the English ‘in’ vote could be the difference between a UK in vote v English out vote.In which case if it’s good enough to seperate the two regarding a Scottish majority wanting in,if the small Scottish out vote added to the English out vote takes Scotland out,why isn’t it also good enough in the case of vice versa.IE typical Scottish double standards Nationalist when it suits it Federalist when it doesn’t…
I agree with you on corruption in trade blocks but the original idea was everyone to be playing to a similar set of rules.
EU regs where suppose to mean that there was similar standards across EU. Which has worked to a certain extent because go to 3rd world/china to manufacture goods for cheap labour. But this is becoming more troublesome for companies as consumers put pressure on companies to behave. Primark paying people 10p a day and scandals like that.
This is why I think farage wants out of EU. He talks of regulations from Brussels, I think he fears EU regulating businesses that not only manufacture in EU but sell in EU. Imagine EU said to sell stuff here workers who make it must have decent conditions. Big businesses would be in uproar.
alicks77:
As for the nationalist wanting to be part of a federation. This is because nationalism is a busted flush, we live in a globalised world. A country can’t make it on its own, you need to be part of a trading block.
So why stand for election as a ‘Nationalist’ if they believe in Federalism and Globalisation.That’s what seperates the Nationalist Le Pen’s of this world from the lying zb Federalist Sturgeons. 
alicks77:
I agree with you on corruption in trade blocks but the original idea was everyone to be playing to a similar set of rules.EU regs where suppose to mean that there was similar standards across EU. Which has worked to a certain extent because go to 3rd world/china to manufacture goods for cheap labour. But this is becoming more troublesome for companies as consumers put pressure on companies to behave. Primark paying people 10p a day and scandals like that.
This is why I think farage wants out of EU. He talks of regulations from Brussels, I think he fears EU regulating businesses that not only manufacture in EU but sell in EU. Imagine EU said to sell stuff here workers who make it must have decent conditions. Big businesses would be in uproar.
Now you’re going for the workers rights bs.You mean the workers ‘rights’ like wage limits that Europhiles Callaghan and Healey imposed or the right to secondary strike action that Europhile Thatcher took away around 10 years after we joined the scam.Or East Euro minimum wage v west Euro.Or British jobs for German workers in the form of German manufacturing imports.Now awaits yet more bs excuses.