Wages are surprisingly low in Canada for lots of jobs and the cost of living is surprisingly high.
kr79:
Wages are surprisingly low in Canada for lots of jobs and the cost of living is surprisingly high.
Maybe the results of what’s going on in the economy south of the border combined with that issue of the Canadian government seeming to have lost the plot concerning immigration policy.But if a place with the population v raw materials and other economic advantages that Canada has,compares unfavourably with what’s left of Britain then the Western World is going down the tubes even faster than I thought. 
Carryfast:
But as far as I know the US and Canada wouldn’t be the places they turned out to be if they’d have been left to the Natives instead of the British colonists moving in and taking over.Although it’s not surprising that those natives ( rightly ) wouldn’t see it that way.But then we’re Brits not Indians and you can bet that they’d have seen it from the colonists perspective if the boot had been on the other foot.
Unless you know different.
I completely agree there. If Britain had not acted the way it did, for its own people, by its own people and established those colonial enterprises that later turned in to Canada, Australia and New Zealand the world would be without 3 superb modern day countries and i for one have no qualms about our imperial and colonising past as if it were not the case, I wouldn’t be here in Canada now. It does annoy me that the before mentioned three former British colonies are proceeding hell bent on a path of mass immigration that mirrors that of Britain and that can only in my opinion de-stablise an established cultural stability and replace it with with a multicultural “utopia” where the country resembles a united nations refugee transit camp with numerous ethnic and cultural groups all pushing their own agenda while the pre-existing ethno-cultural group (British, in this case) first gets sidelined and then swamped due to the levels of said immigration and the following birth rates of those immigrant groups in the coming generations. This however isn’t the fault of any immigrant, its the system itself that allows it. To the credit of the native Indians in Canada, they did at least try and resist, as did the Maori in NZ, its not like they set up their own immigration policy and invited poor working class English, Irish and Scottish people to apply for a visa to live in their country. Our ancestors took the land by force and shipped our own countrymen across against the will of the natives. What is happening now though is entirely our own fault, none of these Indians, Nigerians or Chinese who come to Canada or the UK are arriving behind a column of Indian, Nigerian or Chinese infantrymen, they’re arriving because our government and their systems allow them to come. In effect we’re willingly abolishing ourselves as a distinct and unique ethno-cultural entity that we would reconise as being British and more importantly our grand fathers and great grand fathers would reconise. I for one dont like whats happening but while the majority of British/Canadian people are happy for this huge demographic change to take place, my opinions dont really count for diddly squat.
Thats exactly right the fault lays with the system. The culture has been diluted to much in a small place like Britain. You can see it to a certain extent in Canada in the big city’s too.
I suppose its the way of those in power to keep the little people under control.
hitch:
He was off having English lessonsand said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to doSaid Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitumany ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advicelol
I,ve just read the original post, the blokes obviously not
British, a pole I dare say judging by
some of the comments.
I work with a few poles and they don’t threaten me. There
all hard working blokes, but so am I. I do a lot of site work and work along side
a good few poles and could well have been the driver. I would rather have the
willing novice anyday. Imagine the folk
lift driver had the same mindset of some of the ludite (white UK born and bread
no doubt) posters.
I’ll tell you a tale Hitch, when I first joined Trucknet I
could hardly write a post without it looking like yours. It’s learnt me to write.
And I’m Yorkshire born and bread.
I remember lads laughing at Ory’s English at first, now he speaks
better English than I do sethy
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast:
But as far as I know the US and Canada wouldn’t be the places they turned out to be if they’d have been left to the Natives instead of the British colonists moving in and taking over.Although it’s not surprising that those natives ( rightly ) wouldn’t see it that way.But then we’re Brits not Indians and you can bet that they’d have seen it from the colonists perspective if the boot had been on the other foot.Unless you know different.
I completely agree there. If Britain had not acted the way it did, for its own people, by its own people and established those colonial enterprises that later turned in to Canada, Australia and New Zealand the world would be without 3 superb modern day countries and i for one have no qualms about our imperial and colonising past as if it were not the case, I wouldn’t be here in Canada now. It does annoy me that the before mentioned three former British colonies are proceeding hell bent on a path of mass immigration that mirrors that of Britain and that can only in my opinion de-stablise an established cultural stability and replace it with with a multicultural “utopia” where the country resembles a united nations refugee transit camp with numerous ethnic and cultural groups all pushing their own agenda while the pre-existing ethno-cultural group (British, in this case) first gets sidelined and then swamped due to the levels of said immigration and the following birth rates of those immigrant groups in the coming generations. This however isn’t the fault of any immigrant, its the system itself that allows it. To the credit of the native Indians in Canada, they did at least try and resist, as did the Maori in NZ, its not like they set up their own immigration policy and invited poor working class English, Irish and Scottish people to apply for a visa to live in their country. Our ancestors took the land by force and shipped our own countrymen across against the will of the natives. What is happening now though is entirely our own fault, none of these Indians, Nigerians or Chinese who come to Canada or the UK are arriving behind a column of Indian, Nigerian or Chinese infantrymen, they’re arriving because our government and their systems allow them to come. In effect we’re willingly abolishing ourselves as a distinct and unique ethno-cultural entity that we would reconise as being British and more importantly our grand fathers and great grand fathers would reconise. I for one dont like whats happening but while the majority of British/Canadian people are happy for this huge demographic change to take place, my opinions dont really count for diddly squat.
^ This.110%.
It’s an absolutely unbelievable situation whereby a whole nation ( The British ) seems to be going down the path of ethnic suicide.All seemingly brainwashed by those at the top who are running the whole thing.History seems to show that ethnic British based big busines doesn’t mind sacrificing it’s own national identity and the national interest in order to make a few bob out of imported cheap labour and the Canadian,like the US and British immigration policy over the years,seems to reflect that.With the common link being the bs accusation of racism against anyone who dares to disagree with it.
marlow:
hitch:
He was off having English lessonsand said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to doSaid Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitumany ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advicelol
I,ve just read the original post, the blokes obviously not
British, a pole I dare say judging by
some of the comments.I work with a few poles and they don’t threaten me. There
all hard working blokes, but so am I. I do a lot of site work and work along side
a good few poles and could well have been the driver. I would rather have the
willing novice anyday. Imagine the folk
lift driver had the same mindset of some of the ludite (white UK born and bread
no doubt) posters.I’ll tell you a tale Hitch, when I first joined Trucknet I
could hardly write a post without it looking like yours. It’s learnt me to write.
And I’m Yorkshire born and bread.I remember lads laughing at Ory’s English at first, now he speaks
better English than I do sethy
Ludites because they think that British jobs should be for British workers you mean.So you obviously think it’s ok for unemployed British drivers to be made to carry out forced unpaid work doing something else while east european drivers get British truck driving jobs while anyone who disagrees is a Ludite.Which at least makes a change from being branded a racist. 
Carryfast:
Ludites because they think that British jobs should be for British workers you mean.So you obviously think it’s ok for unemployed British drivers to be made to carry out forced unpaid work doing something else while east european drivers get British truck driving jobs while anyone who disagrees is a Ludite.Which at least makes a change from being branded a racist.
While we remain in the EU there is no such thing as a British job. So long as European citizens (which includes us at the moment) have the right to work and reside anywhere in Europe, the jobs are European Jobs. If you wish to change that, you need to exit from Europe as a priority, before you start worrying about all the other tweaks you’d like to promote.
As an aside CF, did Peter Shore support the idea of a Fordist economy?
Carryfast:
marlow:
hitch:
He was off having English lessonsand said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to doSaid Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitumany ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advicelol
I,ve just read the original post, the blokes obviously not
British, a pole I dare say judging by
some of the comments.I work with a few poles and they don’t threaten me. There
all hard working blokes, but so am I. I do a lot of site work and work along side
a good few poles and could well have been the driver. I would rather have the
willing novice anyday. Imagine the folk
lift driver had the same mindset of some of the ludite (white UK born and bread
no doubt) posters.I’ll tell you a tale Hitch, when I first joined Trucknet I
could hardly write a post without it looking like yours. It’s learnt me to write.
And I’m Yorkshire born and bread.I remember lads laughing at Ory’s English at first, now he speaks
better English than I do sethyLudites because they think that British jobs should be for British workers you mean.So you obviously think it’s ok for unemployed British drivers to be made to carry out forced unpaid work doing something else while east european drivers get British truck driving jobs while anyone who disagrees is a Ludite.Which at least makes a change from being branded a racist.
Not at all, please don’t put words in my mouth.
Carryfast:
The Polish seem to be the real master race not ze Germans with the difference that unlike ze Germans they don’t mind working for zb all.As for the Brits they might as well give up or move to Canada and let the Poles get on with turning the place into another Poland.
nuff said
Well, robinhood_1984,you’ve got it bang to rights, lets look at the countries our European neighbours colonised every one a basket case!,even our African colonies were well run till indpendence the"British Empire" was not the root of all evil as many would have us belive, my point being that the US,Canada,Oz&NZ are successful democratic nations!BTW India the English language unified the country&allows them to compete for business on a world wide basis the next “superpower”?(Tin hat on, duck below the parapet the “Brit bashers” are coming) 
Big Jon’s dad:
Carryfast:
Ludites because they think that British jobs should be for British workers you mean.So you obviously think it’s ok for unemployed British drivers to be made to carry out forced unpaid work doing something else while east european drivers get British truck driving jobs while anyone who disagrees is a Ludite.Which at least makes a change from being branded a racist.While we remain in the EU there is no such thing as a British job. So long as European citizens (which includes us at the moment) have the right to work and reside anywhere in Europe, the jobs are European Jobs. If you wish to change that, you need to exit from Europe as a priority, before you start worrying about all the other tweaks you’d like to promote.
As an aside CF, did Peter Shore support the idea of a Fordist economy?
The problem with our ‘exit’ from the EU as being proposed is that all those proposals seem to be on the basis of a change in terms and conditions while keeping the basic ties thereby putting us into the situation of Switzerland.I don’t buy the EU jobs bs though.It’s no surprise that the average British worker won’t have the same chance of getting a job in places where the economy is stronger than ours such as Switzerland or Germany than the average East European worker has in getting a job here.I,for one,am not naive enough to not realise that the whole thing is a cheap labour scam put up by the British government and there’s no way that the British government and their big business cronies would want to limit that in any way even if we do leave the EU.
I don’t think Shore ever bothered to describe his policies regarding trade and industry as Fordism but it seems obvious that is what they amounted to.Although I’ve seen his ideas labelled as an autarkik economy which is probably close enough to a system in which the economy is turned into a closed feedback type of system in which domestic growth results in a cycle of more domestic growth because nothing is being imported that doesn’t need to be.In this case mainly coal and manufactured goods.Which is more or less what we had during the 1960’s-72 and which unlike then,at least before EU membership,we are now a net importer of with the resulting low demand for labour,low wages,trade deficit and debt figures,and therefore low economic growth to prove it.As I’ve said I think the similar comparison applies between the US economy of the 1960’s compared to what they’ve had since Reaganomics to date.I think Fordism and that type of economy was invented in America and was proved to work.
Although Shore’s ideas,concerning state control of prices and incomes,probably would have improved that system even more.Unlike Wilson’s,Callagahan’s and all the economic policies we’ve had since the mid 1970’s which tried to control inflation by controlling incomes in isolation either by direct wage controls or by rigging of the labour market.Which doesn’t take a genius to realise will just create economic stagnation and recession.
Carryfast:
The problem with our ‘exit’ from the EU as being proposed is that all those proposals seem to be on the basis of a change in terms and conditions while keeping the basic ties thereby putting us into the situation of Switzerland.I don’t buy the EU jobs bs though.It’s no surprise that the average British worker won’t have the same chance of getting a job in places where the economy is stronger than ours such as Switzerland or Germany than the average East European worker has in getting a job here.I,for one,am not naive enough to not realise that the whole thing is a cheap labour scam put up by the British government and there’s no way that the British government and their big business cronies would want to limit that in any way even if we do leave the EU.
If all EU citizens are equal then in theory a British person could work anywhere in Europe. However, British workers, as a group, don’t have a great reputation for hard grafting unlike say the Poles do have.
Carryfast:
I don’t think Shore ever bothered to describe his policies regarding trade and industry as Fordism but it seems obvious that is what they amounted to.Although I’ve seen his ideas labelled as an autarkik economy which is probably close enough to a system in which the economy is turned into a closed feedback type of system in which domestic growth results in a cycle of more domestic growth because nothing is being imported that doesn’t need to be.In this case mainly coal and manufactured goods.Which is more or less what we had during the 1960’s-72 and which unlike then,at least before EU membership,we are now a net importer of with the resulting low demand for labour,low wages,trade deficit and debt figures,and therefore low economic growth to prove it.As I’ve said I think the similar comparison applies between the US economy of the 1960’s compared to what they’ve had since Reaganomics to date.I think Fordism and that type of economy was invented in America and was proved to work.
So we would be like East Germany was before the wall came down. Very limited choice of not particularly attactive consumer goods, work where we are told to work and accept whatever pay rate our union negotiated for us, while our union overloards got fat on our subs. No chance to improve oneself by working harder and earning more. If fact being sanctioned for working too hard as it shows up our fellow workers to be the slackers they actually were. No thanks.
Carryfast:
Although Shore’s ideas,concerning state control of prices and incomes,probably would have improved that system even more.Unlike Wilson’s,Callagahan’s and all the economic policies we’ve had since the mid 1970’s which tried to control inflation by controlling incomes in isolation either by direct wage controls or by rigging of the labour market.Which doesn’t take a genius to realise will just create economic stagnation and recession.
Was there ever a non communist country that actually managed their economy in this way? In a western society businesses exist to make a profit. If there is no profit to be made the business will not be opened by the potential investor. At the extremes of full state control and rip off business there will always be failure, eventually. High wage demands means jobs disappear and imports replace those jobs. Keep the wage demands sensible and the jobs will remain viable. High prices means customers stop buying. Don’t forget business can move countrys easier than workers so will always have an advantage when looking to replace lost income. Business has a duty to their shareholders to maximise profits so will reduce costs when it is possible to get away with it.
Can I assume you never buy anything produced or manufactured outside the UK as it would surely be against your principles to buy imported goods?
Big Jon’s dad:
Carryfast:
The problem with our ‘exit’ from the EU as being proposed is that all those proposals seem to be on the basis of a change in terms and conditions while keeping the basic ties thereby putting us into the situation of Switzerland.I don’t buy the EU jobs bs though.It’s no surprise that the average British worker won’t have the same chance of getting a job in places where the economy is stronger than ours such as Switzerland or Germany than the average East European worker has in getting a job here.I,for one,am not naive enough to not realise that the whole thing is a cheap labour scam put up by the British government and there’s no way that the British government and their big business cronies would want to limit that in any way even if we do leave the EU.If all EU citizens are equal then in theory a British person could work anywhere in Europe. However, British workers, as a group, don’t have a great reputation for hard grafting unlike say the Poles do have.
Carryfast:
I don’t think Shore ever bothered to describe his policies regarding trade and industry as Fordism but it seems obvious that is what they amounted to.Although I’ve seen his ideas labelled as an autarkik economy which is probably close enough to a system in which the economy is turned into a closed feedback type of system in which domestic growth results in a cycle of more domestic growth because nothing is being imported that doesn’t need to be.In this case mainly coal and manufactured goods.Which is more or less what we had during the 1960’s-72 and which unlike then,at least before EU membership,we are now a net importer of with the resulting low demand for labour,low wages,trade deficit and debt figures,and therefore low economic growth to prove it.As I’ve said I think the similar comparison applies between the US economy of the 1960’s compared to what they’ve had since Reaganomics to date.I think Fordism and that type of economy was invented in America and was proved to work.So we would be like East Germany was before the wall came down. Very limited choice of not particularly attactive consumer goods, work where we are told to work and accept whatever pay rate our union negotiated for us, while our union overloards got fat on our subs. No chance to improve oneself by working harder and earning more. If fact being sanctioned for working too hard as it shows up our fellow workers to be the slackers they actually were. No thanks.
Carryfast:
Although Shore’s ideas,concerning state control of prices and incomes,probably would have improved that system even more.Unlike Wilson’s,Callagahan’s and all the economic policies we’ve had since the mid 1970’s which tried to control inflation by controlling incomes in isolation either by direct wage controls or by rigging of the labour market.Which doesn’t take a genius to realise will just create economic stagnation and recession.Was there ever a non communist country that actually managed their economy in this way? In a western society businesses exist to make a profit. If there is no profit to be made the business will not be opened by the potential investor. At the extremes of full state control and rip off business there will always be failure, eventually. High wage demands means jobs disappear and imports replace those jobs. Keep the wage demands sensible and the jobs will remain viable. High prices means customers stop buying. Don’t forget business can move countrys easier than workers so will always have an advantage when looking to replace lost income. Business has a duty to their shareholders to maximise profits so will reduce costs when it is possible to get away with it.
Can I assume you never buy anything produced or manufactured outside the UK as it would surely be against your principles to buy imported goods?
I think you’ve mistaken the meaning of a prices and incomes policy.The idea of that isn’t to control either or it’s all about controlling just the ‘relationship’ between the two.IE it’s no good having wages running ahead of prices and likewise it’s no good having prices running ahead of wages.However the inconvenient truth for your argument is that in all cases inflation issues in this country have been all about the latter.But no surprise that those with your outlook seem to have no issues concerning the fact that successive governments,including so called Labour,have always tried to solve that problem by trying to control prices by just concentrating on keeping income levels down on the flawed basis that reducing wages in isolation will bring prices down.As history shows what it actually does is just crash the economy on a regular basis.Which is where the economy has been from the late 1970’s to date.
But no as I said Fordism is what the USA had through the 1960’s and probably at least up to when Reaganomics was introduced and what we had through the 1960’s up to 1972.Not what East Germany had which was Communism which is all about those at the the top having the life of Reilly while the workers have zb all.Which is where us and the states are about now since Thatcher and Reagan.
Carryfast:
^ This.110%.It’s an absolutely unbelievable situation whereby a whole nation ( The British ) seems to be going down the path of ethnic suicide.All seemingly brainwashed by those at the top who are running the whole thing.History seems to show that ethnic British based big busines doesn’t mind sacrificing it’s own national identity and the national interest in order to make a few bob out of imported cheap labour and the Canadian,like the US and British immigration policy over the years,seems to reflect that.With the common link being the bs accusation of racism against anyone who dares to disagree with it.
Unfortunetely its not only Britain and the nations of British descent that are abolishing themselves, its every prosperous western European nation. The very same things are happening in Holland, France and Germany. Just look at Berlin, its the second largest Turkish populated city in the world, second only to Istanbul. Even Ankara, the capital of Turkey has fewer Turks than Berlin. Look at how many muslims of north African origin are in France, a huge amount that grows at an alarming rate in comparison to the native pre-mass immigration French population. I think we in the British sphere are much keener to adopt this multiculturalism and national suicide than the French or Germans, but they none the less are doing the very same thing to themselves.
As for being called racist, who really cares. I dont think I’m better or worse than anyone else but I do and always will put the case forward for British people first in Britain. Being called racist is of no relevance to me whatsover, I have my views and I’ll stick by them. I consider myself pro-British and if that happens to be in conflict with any aspirations of our immigrant communities thats just an unfortunate consequence, but one I’ll lose no sleep over.
I don’t think most British people are pro mass immigration. Just those in power. The Tory’s to keep cheap labour for business and labour as they are a bunch of left wing morons and to keep the idealistic left wing lawyers in work and at the same time the ingrained British trait of now reveling against our government how say the French will has made the situation worse.
att:
hitch:
He was off having English lessonsand said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to doSaid Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitumany ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advicelol
Ask him where he was having his english lessons…And get yourself down there quickly.
Erm… Northern Ireland? Mali?.. 
Wiretwister:
Carryfast:
The Polish seem to be the real master race not ze Germans with the difference that unlike ze Germans they don’t mind working for zb all.As for the Brits they might as well give up or move to Canada and let the Poles get on with turning the place into another Poland.Where were pay levels mentioned??
At our place the Poles, Hungarian, Nepalese and Asian drivers all receive the same remuneration as the British drivers. In our recent round of recruitment there were British and East European drivers taken on, on packages equivalent to those already employed in the past 3 years. Hardly driving down wages or working for nothing.
I am Hungarian myself; NEVER ever had a workplace in the UK, where I have had to work on a different pay rate. Always had the same wage and conditions like my British or Irish collagues. 
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).
We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
att:
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
I have moved to the UK. 