att:
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).
We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
That all may be true, but not everyone is affected by it. Some of us adapt to the conditions, some of us try to influence the conditions, some of us dream of what might have been if only… There are lots of places worse than the UK where you could have been born, so consider yourself lucky to have been born in a time and place that is relativly prosperous. Then try and improve it a little bit at a time.
att:
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).
We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
Never a truer word spoken. Bureaucracy and the power that faceless bureaucrats have over our lives is my biggest greivence with the UK and increasingly in North America. Just look at all the crap that now goes hand in hand with the relatively simple job of driving a truck in Europe. The regulatory workload on the driver is ridiculous but we just seem to keep taking it and asking for more.
att:
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).
We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
Never a truer word spoken. Bureaucracy and the power that faceless bureaucrats have over our lives is my biggest greivence with the UK and increasingly in North America. Just look at all the crap that now goes hand in hand with the relatively simple job of driving a truck in Europe. The regulatory workload on the driver is ridiculous but we just seem to keep taking it and asking for more.
I agree: there is over regulation in many facets of our lives. It costs us all because we have to pay all these people to dream up and enforce rules and regulations we don’t want or need. To keep themselves in work they have to keep inventing yet more rules to foist upon us. Time to sling them all out and let us decide on our own what is sensible and what is not.
On the other hand we all have a giant TV now don’t we? I beleive having a giant TV is sort of an unwritten rule, as not having one marks one out as a loser doesn’t it? (Tongue firmly in cheek)
and said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to do
Said Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitum
any ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advice
lol
My take on this.
Hitch has made a delivery to a site where the regular forkie is Polish. Today, because the regular forkie is having some English lessons, the forkie who is new to both this company and Fork truck driving (and possibly didn’t want to be doing this) was moaning about his colleagues absence. In spite of the stand in forkies reluctance the delivery was made with no damage or incident but with regular apologies for the time taken and acknowledging the expertise of his Polish colleague. Where is the problem?
Hope this helps.
The Polish seem to be the real master race not ze Germans with the difference that unlike ze Germans they don’t mind working for zb all.As for the Brits they might as well give up or move to Canada and let the Poles get on with turning the place into another Poland.
No offence, but I (as an Eastern European) am the only one that moans about the salary at my workplace, the other four drivers just drag the hours out, and therefor the owner of the company dosent want to increase the salary.
And as for EE working for lower wages, when they offered me the job, the company owner said: Oh I can only pay you 7.00 per hour. Knowing that other drivers are on 7.50 I told him that I wont do it for that money and after 10 minutes a manager was sent out to tell me that my wage will be 7.50p.h the same as the other four get.
And at this point is it EE who work for less, or is it the company owners who try to take advantage of us?
and said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to do
Said Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitum
any ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advice
lol
My take on this.
Hitch has made a delivery to a site where the regular forkie is Polish. Today, because the regular forkie is having some English lessons, the forkie who is new to both this company and Fork truck driving (and possibly didn’t want to be doing this) was moaning about his colleagues absence. In spite of the stand in forkies reluctance the delivery was made with no damage or incident but with regular apologies for the time taken and acknowledging the expertise of his Polish colleague. Where is the problem?
Hope this helps.
The Polish seem to be the real master race not ze Germans with the difference that unlike ze Germans they don’t mind working for zb all.As for the Brits they might as well give up or move to Canada and let the Poles get on with turning the place into another Poland.
No offence, but I (as an Eastern European) am the only one that moans about the salary at my workplace, the other four drivers just drag the hours out, and therefor the owner of the company dosent want to increase the salary.
And as for EE working for lower wages, when they offered me the job, the company owner said: Oh I can only pay you 7.00 per hour. Knowing that other drivers are on 7.50 I told him that I wont do it for that money and after 10 minutes a manager was sent out to tell me that my wage will be 7.50p.h the same as the other four get.
And at this point is it EE who work for less, or is it the company owners who try to take advantage of us?
Look at it from the indigenous drivers’ point of view there’s not much point in asking for more than £7.50 per hour if they know the guvnor is taking advantage of the government policy of EU membership by importing East European labour who say they’re happy to do the job for £7.50 when offered £7.00.
IE at that point it’s both the East Euro drivers who don’t want to stay at home in their own countries and ask the guvnors there for more than £7.50 per hour and the British company owners and government who are taking advantage of that situation.The result being downward pressure on wages in all sectors of the economy that employ immigrant labour therefore less spending power in the economy,less tax revenues being paid in income tax and national insurance,and more demand for housing and social security and health care provision.
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
att:
History is a wonderful thing.
It will show us that all these changes have occured before, different scales, but usually the same outcome.
It`s all about tribes and the protection of from within. Those who feel they lead us, are so far away from the real world, that it is all just a mass experiment…Under the advice of academics.
Just another example of exploitation of the people and their lives. Please tell me of one senior person whose life will be changed because of this (Apart from gaining monetary value as labour rates slide).
We have all been sold down the river once again and history tells us that it doesn`t work without total ■■■■■■■■■■. Previously, total ■■■■■■■■■■ would have been brutality, these days it is taken care of by the law makers and lawyers…But it still takes total ■■■■■■■■■■!
Because of our collective loss of our spinal column, we have allowed this to take place, as we have been distracted by our rising living standards and the divide & conquer social conditions that have been engineered in association with.
Nothing “Just happens” It is manipulated, coerced…It is engineered.
Welcome to a brave new world…But more importantly, those that can look 30 - 40 years back, take a look at the freedoms you have lost, the changes in society, the CCTV, the bureacracy…In every aspect of life!!!
Now…Please come back and tell me one thing that has changed that has brought you more happiness and freedom…
That all may be true, but not everyone is affected by it. Some of us adapt to the conditions, some of us try to influence the conditions, some of us dream of what might have been if only… There are lots of places worse than the UK where you could have been born, so consider yourself lucky to have been born in a time and place that is relativly prosperous. Then try and improve it a little bit at a time.
I dont want to adapt to the conditions, I want to live my life as free as I can, I can be trusted, I dont want all the rules and regs that treat me as though I were stupid, I have a brain, I can think for myself and at times for others, in a helpful way.
Jesus, I show my dog more trust than your average RDC shows a driver…Ask yourself, how did we get here?
And as for prosperous, I take it you mean material/financial means…I care little for those, what is more important is psychological well being and that can only be working effectively if we are shown trust and appreciation…Look at the rates of stress in this brave new world.
10 years ago there were 9 million prescriptions handed out for anti depressants, last year it was 46 million…There is no genius required to work that one out.
The conditions in which we are operating on a daily basis are damaging our psychological health and well being. That alone has to be against humanity itself, we cannot continue as we are, something will have to give…And it will and it will be a very nasty time for most people, as we will go back to base as regards our instincts and behaviour.
and said Englishmen was new to company
new to fork lift driving
and didnt know what he was supposed to do
Said Pole is zb hot on flt and wouldnt take so long
sorry driver i’m doing my best …repeat ad infinitum
any ways nothing dropped nothing damaged
and he benifitted from my advice
lol
My take on this.
Hitch has made a delivery to a site where the regular forkie is Polish. Today, because the regular forkie is having some English lessons, the forkie who is new to both this company and Fork truck driving (and possibly didn’t want to be doing this) was moaning about his colleagues absence. In spite of the stand in forkies reluctance the delivery was made with no damage or incident but with regular apologies for the time taken and acknowledging the expertise of his Polish colleague. Where is the problem?
Hope this helps.
The Polish seem to be the real master race not ze Germans with the difference that unlike ze Germans they don’t mind working for zb all.As for the Brits they might as well give up or move to Canada and let the Poles get on with turning the place into another Poland.
No offence, but I (as an Eastern European) am the only one that moans about the salary at my workplace, the other four drivers just drag the hours out, and therefor the owner of the company dosent want to increase the salary.
And as for EE working for lower wages, when they offered me the job, the company owner said: Oh I can only pay you 7.00 per hour. Knowing that other drivers are on 7.50 I told him that I wont do it for that money and after 10 minutes a manager was sent out to tell me that my wage will be 7.50p.h the same as the other four get.
And at this point is it EE who work for less, or is it the company owners who try to take advantage of us?
Look at it from the indigenous drivers’ point of view there’s not much point in asking for more than £7.50 per hour if they know the guvnor is taking advantage of the government policy of EU membership by importing East European labour who say they’re happy to do the job for £7.50 when offered £7.00.
IE at that point it’s both the East Euro drivers who don’t want to stay at home in their own countries and ask the guvnors there for more than £7.50 per hour and the British company owners and government who are taking advantage of that situation.The result being downward pressure on wages in all sectors of the economy that employ immigrant labour therefore less spending power in the economy,less tax revenues being paid in income tax and national insurance,and more demand for housing and social security and health care provision.
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
What■■? “Easy to use, and , therefore learn” Not at all. The English is a very difficult language, with plenty of useless things (Twelwe bloody tenses, pronunce, etc). Howewer, I agrre with that, who wants to live here, should speak fluently. But in my opinion, Italian is more easy to learn.
I don’t think that english is a very difficult language to learn either but for the love of god, use the delete button to trim the quotes once in a while…
Dennisthemenace:
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
What■■? “Easy to use, and , therefore learn” Not at all. The English is a very difficult language, with plenty of useless things (Twelwe bloody tenses, pronunce, etc).Howewer, I agrre with that, who wants to live here, should speak fluently. But in my opinion, Italian is more easy to learn.
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More like they need 10 words to say what we can say in 4 and that’s even after they’ve shortened what they would have had to have said if they’d have used perfect Italian grammar.
As for me I’m not that bothered about anyone needing to speak anyone else’s language fluently being that every where that I’ve been on the continent they’re not that bothered either just so long as you know enough to get by over there without being a liability.The difference is,just like the economic and poulation issues,if immigration reaches the point and levels where langauge,amongst those other issues,starts to be a problem then that immigration policy is wrong.
Dennisthemenace:
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
What■■? “Easy to use, and , therefore learn” Not at all. The English is a very difficult language, with plenty of useless things (Twelwe bloody tenses, pronunce, etc).Howewer, I agrre with that, who wants to live here, should speak fluently. But in my opinion, Italian is more easy to learn.
More like they need 10 words to say what we can say in 4 and that’s even after they’ve shortened what they would have had to have said if they’d have used perfect Italian grammar.
As for me I’m not that bothered about anyone needing to speak anyone else’s language fluently being that every where that I’ve been on the continent they’re not that bothered either just so long as you know enough to get by over there without being a liability.The difference is,just like the economic and poulation issues,if immigration reaches the point and levels where langauge,amongst those other issues,starts to be a problem then that immigration policy is wrong.
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I meant the grammar and the pronunciation… The immigration issues are not my business, especially, cos I’m a migrant myself. BUT: I work since the day I came to the UK, pay my tax and NHS contributions and I never ever had any issues with any authorities. And I do not feel guilty cos I’m taking British job; the job I have, was advertised and available for anyone. And, I think, a professional driver in the UK MUST HAVE fluent English.
Riho:
No offence, but I (as an Eastern European) am the only one that moans about the salary at my workplace, the other four drivers just drag the hours out, and therefor the owner of the company dosent want to increase the salary.
And as for EE working for lower wages, when they offered me the job, the company owner said: Oh I can only pay you 7.00 per hour. Knowing that other drivers are on 7.50 I told him that I wont do it for that money and after 10 minutes a manager was sent out to tell me that my wage will be 7.50p.h the same as the other four get.
And at this point is it EE who work for less, or is it the company owners who try to take advantage of us?
Look at it from the indigenous drivers’ point of view there’s not much point in asking for more than £7.50 per hour if they know the guvnor is taking advantage of the government policy of EU membership by importing East European labour who say they’re happy to do the job for £7.50 when offered £7.00.
IE at that point it’s both the East Euro drivers who don’t want to stay at home in their own countries and ask the guvnors there for more than £7.50 per hour and the British company owners and government who are taking advantage of that situation.The result being downward pressure on wages in all sectors of the economy that employ immigrant labour therefore less spending power in the economy,less tax revenues being paid in income tax and national insurance,and more demand for housing and social security and health care provision.
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
I am the only EE driver in the company.
P.S. From my point of view, what UK government did wrong was, that they didnt introduce a language test and a CRB check before they issue a NIN, and as we all know you cant work without one.
Two simple things that would change the whole imigration thing, and filter the people coming in to UK, same should apply for Asian and Turkish imigrants.
Dennisthemenace:
Although what that post also shows is that the Brits are victims in having an easy to use,and therefore learn,language compared to every other country in the EU.
What■■? “Easy to use, and , therefore learn” Not at all. The English is a very difficult language, with plenty of useless things (Twelwe bloody tenses, pronunce, etc).Howewer, I agrre with that, who wants to live here, should speak fluently. But in my opinion, Italian is more easy to learn.
More like they need 10 words to say what we can say in 4 and that’s even after they’ve shortened what they would have had to have said if they’d have used perfect Italian grammar.
As for me I’m not that bothered about anyone needing to speak anyone else’s language fluently being that every where that I’ve been on the continent they’re not that bothered either just so long as you know enough to get by over there without being a liability.The difference is,just like the economic and poulation issues,if immigration reaches the point and levels where langauge,amongst those other issues,starts to be a problem then that immigration policy is wrong.
I meant the grammar and the pronunciation… The immigration issues are not my business, especially, cos I’m a migrant myself. BUT: I work since the day I came to the UK, pay my tax and NHS contributions and I never ever had any issues with any authorities. And I do not feel guilty cos I’m taking British job; the job I have, was advertised and available for anyone. And, I think, a professional driver in the UK MUST HAVE fluent English.
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Why would a ‘professional driver’ working in an international environment need fluent whatever language.As soon as a Brit truck leaves Britain the language changes from anything varying from French,Dutch,German,Italian to all the different Slavic languages and possibly Turkish etc etc and vice versa when any truck based in those countries leaves it’s home country.There’s no way that it’s worth,or even possible,for any of those drivers to have,or even trying to learn,all those different languages fluently,unless they’re unusually gifted in language skills.
The same applies in regard to different drivers working on an ex pat basis.However the immigration issue as it applies in Britain has always been the same.It’s all about oversupplying ( rigging ) the labour market to provide cheap labour for big business at the expense of the indigenous British labour force.The fact is we’ve got no shortage of drivers looking for a job let alone what’s needed in having a situation in which labour supply lags slighly behind demand to create wage growth and the resulting economic growth.
The language issue is just a bs red herring used by the indigenous workforce as a pointless barrier because they’re scared of being branded as racists if they just say no we don’t want any more immigration and we also want repatriation of those who are here including non EU immigrants and the descendents of previous commonwealth immigration.In addition to leaving the EU and stopping all EU immigration ( which no surprise in reality just mostly means east european immigration all brought in for the same old cheap labour motive ).
As for the job being advertised that’s irrelevant when what matters is who the guvnor chooses from all those who applied for it or are sent by the Jobcentre to apply for it.Which in this case instead of unemployed indigenous British drivers being forced to do bs unpaid work on workfare they should be given the jobs which immigrant drivers are being given no ifs no buts.While the immigrants should be sent home to turn their own countries into somewhere worth staying in.
How many of you have been to Poland yes 1 or 3 well I have in the 70s i used to do a container POL to the Kings cross arches and the driver could eat and eat until he had to pull away
you anti poles have no idea how nice they are…been there piacenzzo well spelt wrong its south Warsaw . ■■■■ heads go to Poland its in the EU
oh another polish story. first time after i sold my truck i had an iveco van sat for 12 hours then the opps then no gear drove all the way to polish customs and to piacianzco no clutch guy in the factory comes in on saturday no pay fix my problem…and would not take a zloti
no true but at the time a worry for me. i met this guy he said drink vodka…ok up to now. then i said i need to go back to my office room. he said come home with me… yes now i,m going to do this guy and leap home. ok he says 1 more drink, well i,m up for that. so where did we go to his flat…zb on my life how stupid am i. ok inside a young woman sleeping. he got her her up gave me a pair of socks and said sleep my friend. which i did in warsaw next day he took me for a tour around. cost me the travel a few zlotis
