cheekymonkey:
One can understand the difficulties some people have with all the paperwork and form filling these days…
it called pointless bureaucracy and jobs for the muppits
who would be otherwise be out of a job if the econamy was not so screwed up
Are they muppets just because they can answer the questions and you can’t ?
I mean no offence but If you’re having problems with the paperwork agencies expect you to complete, would it not be a good idea to try to do something about your lack of literacy skills instead of insulting people who can do the paperwork ?
cheekymonkey:
One can understand the difficulties some people have with all the paperwork and form filling these days…
it called pointless bureaucracy and jobs for the muppits
who would be otherwise be out of a job if the econamy was not so screwed up
Are they muppets just because they can answer the questions and you can’t ?
I mean no offence but If you’re having problems with the paperwork agencies expect you to complete, would it not be a good idea to try to do something about your lack of literacy skills instead of insulting people who can do the paperwork ?
cheekymonkey:
One can understand the difficulties some people have with all the paperwork and form filling these days…
it called pointless bureaucracy and jobs for the muppits
who would be otherwise be out of a job if the econamy was not so screwed up
Are they muppets just because they can answer the questions and you can’t ?
I mean no offence but If you’re having problems with the paperwork agencies expect you to complete, would it not be a good idea to try to do something about your lack of literacy skills instead of insulting people who can do the paperwork ?
you really are missing the point hear
Then enlighten us, apart from a serious dislike for agencies that many of us share what is the point you’re trying to make ?
andi_cardiff:
On the other side of the coin, a good agency is worth its weight in gold. I was with one who looked after me, was always in work when I wanted and the pay was pretty good.
The guys there were pretty helpful and several times used their personal cars to pick me up before/after jobs when I had problems with my own car!
+1 A good agency will alway look after a good driver. Reliable, FLEXIBLE and experienced drivers will do well.
Agencys have to deal with the dregs of the barrel, they have no choice because often thats all thats available. So if your a decent, flexible driver you will go straight to the top of the priority list.
Exactly. I never had a problem getting work, usually being offered a choice of what I wanted. I used to wonder why companies asked for me, one to the point of changing agency when I did, but when I see some of the retarded things posted on here I understand why. It would appear the ability to think for yourself is in short supply in haulage…
andi_cardiff:
On the other side of the coin, a good agency is worth its weight in gold. I was with one who looked after me, was always in work when I wanted and the pay was pretty good.
The guys there were pretty helpful and several times used their personal cars to pick me up before/after jobs when I had problems with my own car!
I’m guessing that was before the work started to disappear ?
I couldnt answer that from as from where I was I didnt get quiet patches to be honest, then I got myself a full time job. Left on great terms with the option of calling back if I ever needed/wanted more work in the future!
mcgregors shafter:
right troll hat on
im a proper ■■■■■■■■ ya know and we relly do drink Mc youngers not this half witt yorkshire man [zb] from drifeld
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is that how you speak to people as well? No wonder you can’t get any work.
OK, serious head on. Now I do mean this next bit and I am not being nasty about it. Go to college and do a basic adult literacy course, seriously. Start talking like a normal person does. As long as you keep coming across as an idiot, people will treat you like one. You could be the best lorry driver in the UK but coming across as you are, people won’t even give you a second look or a chance to prove it. In the current employment market the idiots stay on the dole and I would think you’re far from being an idiot. Illiterate definitely, but that doesn’t mean someone is stupid.
Find out where your local college is and see if they do adult literacy classes. Contact Connexions and ask them as well as asking at the Jobcenter. Its not like being at school and because it isn’t as tedious as it was, you’ll find you learn a lot quicker.
In the meantime, start reading books, lots of them even if its just the Harry Potter series. That will slowly start to make some of the spelling sink in.
cheekymonkey:
One can understand the difficulties some people have with all the paperwork and form filling these days…
it called pointless bureaucracy and jobs for the muppits
who would be otherwise be out of a job if the econamy was not so screwed up
Are they muppets just because they can answer the questions and you can’t ?
I mean no offence but If you’re having problems with the paperwork agencies expect you to complete, would it not be a good idea to try to do something about your lack of literacy skills instead of insulting people who can do the paperwork ?
you really are missing the point hear
Then enlighten us, apart from a serious dislike for agencies that many of us share what is the point you’re trying to make ?
mcgregors shafter:
they all seam to have the same silly little test with the same wrong answers when you register with them
like you are supposed to tie the curtains back in hight cross winds and its 5 times the stoping gap in rain
mcgregors shafter:
they all seam to have the same silly little test with the same wrong answers when you register with them
like you are supposed to tie the curtains back in hight cross winds and its 5 times the stoping gap in rain
That good enough for you sir
To be honest I’ve never seen or heard of either of those things mentioned at an agency interview, obviously you’ve been to different agencies to me
I have been asked them basically about 20/30 questions and you have a question and you pick the correct answer out of three possible answers
one of the questions was with a curtain sider in high winds do you
drive with the curtains tied back
drive with curtains closed
cant think of third possible answer
answer been drive with curtains tied back but there is a discussion on here about that and from what i remember with the new trucks the roofs are too light to drive with the curtains tied.
so i pointed out that to them in the agency and was told whatever the computer says is the right answer its the right answer
so i didnt argue cause we all know the computer is always right
so maybe thats what he mean s
but the problem is there muppis have no industry knolage and whats more they dont want to know iver
as far as they are consered what was quoted in the little book by the dsa neo ■■■■ ticks in boxes by goverment wokers cant be desputed
cheekymonkey:
One can understand the difficulties some people have with all the paperwork and form filling these days…
it called pointless bureaucracy and jobs for the muppits
who would be otherwise be out of a job if the econamy was not so screwed up
Are they muppets just because they can answer the questions and you can’t ?
I mean no offence but If you’re having problems with the paperwork agencies expect you to complete, would it not be a good idea to try to do something about your lack of literacy skills instead of insulting people who can do the paperwork ?
you really are missing the point hear
Then enlighten us, apart from a serious dislike for agencies that many of us share what is the point you’re trying to make ?
mcgregors shafter:
they all seam to have the same silly little test with the same wrong answers when you register with them
like you are supposed to tie the curtains back in hight cross winds and its 5 times the stoping gap in rain
That good enough for you sir
i don’t see the problem with agencies setting tests for drivers that they have no experience of, wouldn’t you if you ran an agency? i certainly would. because you know the answers you deem it silly. if you ran a company and booked a driver for a day, they turned up and didn’t know how to fill in a tacho correctly, i’d presume you wouldn’t be impressed? i can see the thread now, agency driver versus tacho - he didn’t know how to fill in a tacho, do these companies not check these drivers, we need to lobby to get them regulated!!
Speaking from experience of both sides of the desk here; what you’ve generally got is the same problem as happens in H&S briefings and the like, where a driver who’s been doing things a certain way all his life without accident or injury gets told to do things a certain other way which to him makes no sense. Only in the agency’s case he’s often being told this by someone who is effectively a salesman with absolutely no practical experience of the industry. Driver therefore gets the rise because he thinks he knows best, and we’re off to a bad start before he’s even done a day’s work. If the consultant tries to explain he’s frequently viewed as being a patronising little git… sometimes there’s a measure of truth in this but it often seems that you can’t do right for doing wrong.
In defence of the agencies, it’s incumbent on them to at least try to sort the wheat from the chaff as far as candidates are concerned, before they actually go out on a job; at the end of the day signing up to a new agency is a job interview and nothing else.
Whatever some on here might think, just being the owner of an HGV1 licence does not a good driver make. Those tests tend not to make sense to some drivers, but they also tend to expose serious shortcomings in the most basic of knowledge, especially where tachograph law is concerned. The most common gripe on here form drivers with bad experiences of agencies is that they get fed bull ■■■■. I can testify that this substance is often traded on a reciprocal basis by drivers when they first apply for the job!
mcgregors shafter:
hear we go again
it seams that in this part of the contory thay are all a bunch of bull [zb] crooks
who give you a bunch of lies and broken promises like a politician
it seams they all sing from the same him sheet like there in a gentlemens club on a golf cource
they all chace the same customers but the only differene betwen the agencies is they have a diferent color wall and toilet paper
they all seam to have the same silly little test with the same wrong answers when you register with them
like you are supposed to tie the curtains back in hight cross winds and its 5 times the stoping gap in rain
they will only ever employ driver who have had that catogry for more the 2 years coz of there silly litle drivers negligence insurance that they must have coz they only employ muppis that cant be trusted with a truck
when someone suggested getting there own DNI coz they had only pasted there test he was told I will have to speak to out bigots on the golf cource
but I know that there is a driver shortage with the agencies at this time of year coz they wont take on people with less then 2 years experance
but realy they are cutting there own noses despite there face and loosing work
To be quite honest, this post is hilarious, and aprt from Conor I think everyone else has got it.
Have you ever watched Les Dawson playing the piano (badly)
or
Watched Hilda Baker show off her literacy skills?
I reckon this poster has been seen many times before
stevieboy308:
i don’t see the problem with agencies setting tests for drivers that they have no experience of, wouldn’t you if you ran an agency? i certainly would. because you know the answers you deem it silly. if you ran a company and booked a driver for a day, they turned up and didn’t know how to fill in a tacho correctly, i’d presume you wouldn’t be impressed? i can see the thread now, agency driver versus tacho - he didn’t know how to fill in a tacho, do these companies not check these drivers, we need to lobby to get them regulated!!
think it through fella.
stevie
Did anyone actually show you how to fill a tachograph in correctly when you started work?
nedflanders:
I have been asked them basically about 20/30 questions and you have a question and you pick the correct answer out of three possible answers
one of the questions was with a curtain sider in high winds do you
drive with the curtains tied back
drive with curtains closed
cant think of third possible answer
The third correct answer would be to slow down
answer been drive with curtains tied back but there is a discussion on here about that and from what i remember with the new trucks the roofs are too light to drive with the curtains tied.
so i pointed out that to them in the agency and was told whatever the computer says is the right answer its the right answer
so i didnt argue cause we all know the computer is always right
so maybe thats what he mean s
cant really see why you need to be able to spell to be a truck driver
start time
finish time
s/kms
f/kms
a/t
d/t
pall in
pall out
coll pal
temp
as long as you can answer those questions you can do the job[well my job anyway],
stevieboy308:
i don’t see the problem with agencies setting tests for drivers that they have no experience of, wouldn’t you if you ran an agency? i certainly would. because you know the answers you deem it silly. if you ran a company and booked a driver for a day, they turned up and didn’t know how to fill in a tacho correctly, i’d presume you wouldn’t be impressed? i can see the thread now, agency driver versus tacho - he didn’t know how to fill in a tacho, do these companies not check these drivers, we need to lobby to get them regulated!!
think it through fella.
stevie
Did anyone actually show you how to fill a tachograph in correctly when you started work?
i asked my driving instructor to show me when doing lessons. don’t get me wrong i’m not saying it’s rocket science! merely an example of part the tests i’ve done, i also doubt every agency up and down the country has a 100% pass rate on it. i also remember an agency bod passing comment when i got all the questions right, apparently it wasn’t the norm.
as far as i’m concerned it makes perfect sense to ask a driver some basic questions before sending them out representing the agency.
stevieboy308:
i also remember an agency bod passing comment when i got all the questions right, apparently it wasn’t the norm.
as far as i’m concerned it makes perfect sense to ask a driver some basic questions before sending them out representing the agency.
stevie
You’re right; 100% pass is more the exception than the rule. It’s worth pointing out that in most cases, getting a few things slightly wrong doesn’t matter; the consultant should point the errors out without being patronising about it, and the candidate learns from that, to the benefit of both sides.
Back in the day, ex-servicemen had most problems with tachos because the forces put them through the HGV but didn’t train them up on the ancillary stuff, but I think that’s changed now. Had a few guys like that, just after that Options for Change redundancy scheme in the 1990’s; what I did was to invite them in on a Saturday morning for an informal “crash course” on tachograph basics. They were grateful of the chance and I got several very good drivers out of it.
You do get a few who make you wonder how they ever got to the exalted stage of possessing a class 1, but they’re rare nowadays. You also have to watch out for the genuinely dyslexic; my father-in-law suffers from this and he’s often had issues in the past with agencies who don’t understand that he’s not thick, he just takes his time filling out forms and can’t spell very well.
