Its rearly bad news that Elite have called it a day and all those drivers out of a job…whats more surprising is nobody as blamed Stobarts for Elite calling it a day…after all Stobarts are now getting into containers in a bigger way…anybody else think it could be Stobarts fault…
MO(Topgun):
Its rearly bad news that Elite have called it a day and all those drivers out of a job…whats more surprising is nobody as blamed Stobarts for Elite calling it a day…after all Stobarts are now getting into containers in a bigger way…anybody else think it could be Stobarts fault…
i take it you have not read the whole thread, apart from the usual diatribe from curryfart? 
Curryfart 
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Elite have not called it a day, they have closed two of their depots, anything else is rumour so far…
There is one more evening of 2012, how about everyone try to enjoy a good evening and save the sniping at each other for next year
Cos the admin team are going to enjoy their evening and if that means giving folks a 12 hour time out from TruckNet we will
Rikki-UK:
Elite have not called it a day, they have closed two of their depots, anything else is rumour so far…There is one more evening of 2012, how about everyone try to enjoy a good evening and save the sniping at each other for next year
Cos the admin team are going to enjoy their evening and if that means giving folks a 12 hour time out from TruckNet we will
boooooo…killjoy 
Rikki-UK:
Elite have not called it a day, they have closed two of their depots, anything else is rumour so far…There is one more evening of 2012, how about everyone try to enjoy a good evening and save the sniping at each other for next year
Cos the admin team are going to enjoy their evening and if that means giving folks a 12 hour time out from TruckNet we will
just put Curryfart on pre-mod, problem solved 
coat, hat, TAXI
Rikki-UK:
Cos the admin team are going to enjoy their evening and if that means giving folks a 12 hour time out from TruckNet we will
Yes, because shutting down TruckNet for 12 hours on one of the potentially busiest nights of the year to “teach people a lesson” would be a sensible commercial decision.
Harry Monk:
Rikki-UK:
Cos the admin team are going to enjoy their evening and if that means giving folks a 12 hour time out from TruckNet we willYes, because shutting down TruckNet for 12 hours on one of the potentially busiest nights of the year to “teach people a lesson” would be a sensible commercial decision.
Errrrr, I think he’s talking about putting people on a 12 hour premod not shutting it down…
jessicas dad:
as was pointed out too me once, there is so many containers come into the country a year, therefore the pie is only so big… = too many fingers in the pie, and you will never beat maritime. they can afford to price cut to their hearts content whereas everyone else tries to keep up.
thats the trouble once a big firm get a grip on a certain section of this industry thre are going to be casualtys eventually which is a shame
i said before an elite lad from mcr said they have been moving units and trailers up from the 2 southern yards over the last week or so maybe its the hope they can survive on local jobs only and running them into the train at freightlinner
i still dont know how the subbies do it myself 
cliffton 27:
jessicas dad:
as was pointed out too me once, there is so many containers come into the country a year, therefore the pie is only so big… = too many fingers in the pie, and you will never beat maritime. they can afford to price cut to their hearts content whereas everyone else tries to keep up.thats the trouble once a big firm get a grip on a certain section of this industry thre are going to be casualtys eventually which is a shame
i said before an elite lad from mcr said they have been moving units and trailers up from the 2 southern yards over the last week or so maybe its the hope they can survive on local jobs only and running them into the train at freightlinner
i still dont know how the subbies do it myself
It seems to me that it’s the rail freight industry that’s putting all the pressure on the road transport industry by taking work away from it and then the blame is being diverted onto the surviving road transport operators. 
Erm! Stobart,Maritime,Malcolm group all doing rail freight and are haulage companies Carryfast!
dessy:
Erm! Stobart,Maritime,Malcolm group all doing rail freight and are haulage companies Carryfast!
Or could it be that they are just acting as agents for the rail freight operators 
having given up on hauling freight by road themselves because the figures don’t add up with the difference between road v train fuel costs.Unless that is anyone can just buy their own train and run it in competition with the rail freight operators.In which case it must be better to work as an owner driver doing traction with a locomotive on long distance rail freight than a tractor unit on local intermodal zb. 
Carryfast:
dessy:
Erm! Stobart,Maritime,Malcolm group all doing rail freight and are haulage companies Carryfast!Or could it be that they are just acting as agents for the rail freight operators
Well, as you know very well, not just anyone can buy a train - but Malcolm, Stobart et al can and do. I guess that the traction is provided by the rail company.
Carryfast:
dessy:
Erm! Stobart,Maritime,Malcolm group all doing rail freight and are haulage companies Carryfast!Or could it be that they are just acting as agents for the rail freight operators
No they are company’s that offer complete supply chain solutions be it roal rail stobart have an airport too they offer storage or share house management. They realize years ago there’s only so much scope in running trucks if you want to expand.
Some years ago (at least ten) there was a report commissioned by the then government into the viability of moving freight from road to rail, said report concluded that it would take a 100% increase in rail freight operations to decrease road freight by 10%.
Even the greens would be up in arms if the countryside was being ripped up for new rail lines, shunting yards and rail heads.
The above figures suggest that even if rail freight has increased by approx 10% the impact on road freight is minimal.
Recession is the cause of the current pain within the road transport sector, reductions in both import and export can only have a negative effect.
The easy work for the trains to take is containers from port to existing railheads, container shifters will and are noticing the impact of the trains, the impact of this is however magnified by the drop in volume as a direct result of the recession.
The Elite thing may be a red herring, I heard and it is only gossip that the lease on their yard at Eling Wharf Southampton had expired back in the summer and that they had stayed on a month to month basis. Could be that the expense or practicality of relocating to suitable premises was unviable.
There used to be a bloke on here who wrote with gusto about wanting an obsolete diesel engine in an old American chassis. His business plan consisted of driving across the world with a couple or more trailers, the longer the better 
Then there is a bloke who hates the idea of a railway company putting a service on using exactly the same ideas.
bazstan009:
Some years ago (at least ten) there was a report commissioned by the then government into the viability of moving freight from road to rail, said report concluded that it would take a 100% increase in rail freight operations to decrease road freight by 10%.
Even the greens would be up in arms if the countryside was being ripped up for new rail lines, shunting yards and rail heads.
The above figures suggest that even if rail freight has increased by approx 10% the impact on road freight is minimal.
Recession is the cause of the current pain within the road transport sector, reductions in both import and export can only have a negative effect.
The easy work for the trains to take is containers from port to existing railheads, container shifters will and are noticing the impact of the trains, the impact of this is however magnified by the drop in volume as a direct result of the recession.The Elite thing may be a red herring, I heard and it is only gossip that the lease on their yard at Eling Wharf Southampton had expired back in the summer and that they had stayed on a month to month basis. Could be that the expense or practicality of relocating to suitable premises was unviable.
I think your own statement,regarding the fact that ‘container shifters will and are noticing the impact of trains’ blows your own figures out of the water.Considering that it’s only the long distance sector of the road transport industry including container haulage that we’re talking about and a 100 % increase in rail freight will certainly have a bigger impact than just 10% on that sector.
As for the idiot greens they haven’t got a clue.The countryside is being ripped up for new rail capacity such as the new HS2 line project.One of the reasons for which,as stated by the government itself,is to free up rail capacity for more freight operations thereby ‘removing lorries from the roads’.
Wheel Nut:
There used to be a bloke on here who wrote with gusto about wanting an obsolete diesel engine in an old American chassis. His business plan consisted of driving across the world with a couple or more trailers, the longer the betterThen there is a bloke who hates the idea of a railway company putting a service on using exactly the same ideas.
No surprise that just support for the idea of LHV’s being allowed for uk and euro haulage operations gets lost in translation by ‘some’ on here.While no surprise that it’s the rail freight interests who are the biggest obstacle to that.However I’d expect anyone,with any interest in the road transport industry,to be supportive of that and equalisation of fuel taxation between the different modes of transport such as road and rail and obviously vice versa in the case of anyone with any interest in the rail freight industry.
The question remains why is it that those with any interest in the road transport industry seem to be taking the same view expected from anyone with an interest in the rail freight industry,considering that the interests of the two modes are and should be one of competition wherever possible,not co operation .
jessicas dad:
as was pointed out too me once, there is so many containers come into the country a year, therefore the pie is only so big… = too many fingers in the pie, and you will never beat maritime. they can afford to price cut to their hearts content whereas everyone else tries to keep up.
I think that’s a good point. It’s a bit like hotels where the max business they can do is every room booked every night.