i feel that driver had a short thirfth of over the past couple of years as it was only 2/3 years ago that there wasnt any easties taking the drivers job’s or i never heard of it and then you had all this talk of driver shortage wages is going to have to go up hours will have to come down in all favour of the driver then companies ■■■■■■■■ themselves at the thought had the brainwave to import the " easties " well it stayed the same drivers are still working longer hours and for the same money as 2 years ago and where did the wtd get us …
nowhere thats where as it stands the eu taking in these new member states it can only get worse and theres not alot we can do about it i just think that any driver going to work in a country of choice and soley that country must be able to speak the language and read it as well as its no good having health and saftey everywhere if people can even read the signs there to help them.
TheBear:
I still think this topic and every topic on the same lines before it (Yawn, how many times has this been discussed now?) IS RACIST!!!
it cant be regarded as racist mate. the same would apply to me driving abroad. if i cant read the signs in another country (EU or otherwise) then i would be a danger to other road users. the same applies in any country and to all races, religion, colour, gender or whatever other prejudices could be named. its road safety. if you dont understand the safety instructions, you are creating a danger purely because you cannot possibly obey them
Scanny ask a few of those who travel abroad if they know the traffic rules for the countries that they drive through,you will be surprised at the answer, i do belive, Do you , I do not and i live abroad , yes you are right to complain when those persons who come to work in the UK do not have the required standard as we expect,but if these persons come from a EEC MEMBER then they can be employed with out type of testng the same goes for you me and uncle tom cobbler ,when we wish to work in France,spain, austria etc ,
What is upsetting is that there seems to be a large amount of persons who come to the UK looking for employment and are not qualified to the standards that we have and expect and this will have to be addressed,one way would be to write to the Dept of transport stateing your veiws and fears concerning the use of such labour and it would help if one could gather proof
and send this in as well which will in turn make the case stronger for a better system which will then bring better and higher standards of these persons ,
TheBear, I dont have a racist bone in my body mate, its more to do with exploitation of the East European drivers, and also the effect the situation has on our own ability to earn a living and standards that we need to keep. Lot of issues here but none are racist my friend. If it was racist I would join you in critisising the thread.
Phil
cant see it myself , maybe little ole teddy bear will point out the horrible racist parts of this thread , unless he is to traumatised to even look at it again
BORDERLINE Personal Attack. Tread very carefully. L.
Please forgive me if I am wrong - but as far as I am aware - and I don’t hold a degree in geography - Eastern Europe does not have a race - it is made up of many different races, many of whom have spent the best part of the last 500 years trying to kill each other off. All that has been said in this thread is about a group of drivers - who to generalise them - have been given the collective name of “Eastern European Drivers”, I can’t see anything that can be construed as being rascist. I think perhaps the “R” word is used far to frequently by do gooders, and should only be really used when a specific “Race” is being targetted - not a geographic area!!!
correct me if im wrong here, eastern europe is of the race of white caucasion? is that right? well so are we, so how the ■■■■ is it racist!!
smcauls right, theres allways screams of racist any time anybody dares to question any matter of foreigners, and it just aint so. all of us white caucasions are of the same race are we not or is it just more pc bull?
Right, seeing as how I’m part-owner of this site, I’ll tell you why I find these threads leave a nasty taste in the mouth. Please note that all the posts concerned are only bordering on rascism, otherwise they would have been edited accordingly. Whilst I can understand that the term “rascism” strictly speaking refers to “race”, it is common and correct usage in a context such as this where people of a different nationality are being talked about. “Nationalitism” is ■■■■■■■■■■ in the extreme, after all, so let’s accept that this is a legitimate substitution. From the point of view of the TNUK rules, no form of prejudice is acceptable, so again the same thing applies.
Comments like this:
these [zb] coming over here are coming out the trees to work here, they think a sit down bog is rocket science and water coming out the wall is magic.
Bigotted, ill-informed, playground chant. Objectionable in any context.
Not one person on these forums (or anywhere else in my experience) has actually been able to prove that East European drivers are costing their employers any less than their British counterparts. If they are causing as many accidents as is claimed, they will be costing those companies more, in which case they will not last long. Either way, neither of those things are likely to have any effect on the number of jobs available for British drivers - jobs those drivers evidently didn’t want, since the use of foreign labour is widely accepted to be a last resort.
There is an awful lot of hearsay and anecdote concerning bad driving by foreign drivers. Left-hookers aside (since that is a different topic and not relevant here), no one has any proof that the Polish are any worse than the British. Of all the truly appalling lorry driving I have seen, the lion’s share has been committed by drivers who either a) are driving past, rendering it impossible to tell where they come from or b) have made it obvious that they are British the second they opened their filthy ignorant mouths.
Funny how it was ok for Brits to go and work in Europe when that was the craze - on account of the money being better than here, funnily enough. And it’s ok for Brits to look at emigrating to the US or Canada (for example) to find a better quality of life. Different story if someone wants to come here though. Plain old fashioned hypocrisy.
So many of the statements made are based on rumour and urban myth, and make massive assumptions about people none of us have ever met. It’s like saying all Brummies are stupid. In jest, it’s an accepted bit of banter. But meant seriously, as the comments here are, it is just offensive.
If anyone comes on these threads and points out that they have a problem with the view that is being portrayed as fact, they are treated with a complete lack of respect. The comments between The Bear/Suffolk Reefer Boy above are a classic example. The Bear expresses an opinion, and Suffolk Reefer Boy challenges him on it. Fair enough. But the manner in which that challenge has been made is sneering, patronising, sarcastic, and plain childish. As soon as these threads are allowed to go down that road, all debate is killed stone dead and they end up being locked or pulled as the “borderline” is crossed.
If you are not prepared to be challenged on your views, do not post.
If you are not prepared to challenge others’ views without resorting to playground attitude, do not post.
If you cannot support your case with anything other than rumour and hearsay, do not post.
If you wish to make comments about people coming out of trees etc etc, go to one of the many sites on the web which exist soley for the posting of such rubbish. Do not post it here. ATTACK THE POST - NOT THE POSTER!!!
I will pull this thread the second I see it cross what is a very fine line. We’ve made the mistake of letting these topics get out of hand before, and it will not happen again.
Rikki and I simply do not wish to have rascist/predjudiced/nationalitist/however-you-wish-to-describe-it-ist material on OUR webspace. End of story. If you can’t respect our wishes, you know where the door is.
cant see it myself , maybe little ole teddy bear will point out the horrible racist parts of this thread , unless he is to traumatised to even look at it again
BORDERLINE Personal Attack. Tread very carefully. L.
Tut tut … this little old teddy bear gets thouroughly peed off seeing the same old rubbish sprouted on here time after time by the same old people.
Its always the nasty Eastern European driver that gets it in the neck… a good few of you make me die with laughter at your attitudes. I think a few of you should be looking to your own driving standards before criticising others.
I have made the point time and time again on threads of this kind. IT IS ALWAYS THE UK ONLY DRIVERS THAT GO ON ABOUT THIS.
I haven’t a clue what those road signs in Hungary or Poland or Czech Republic say … does that mean I shouldn’t go there?? I can’t understand a good few of them in Spain, let alone Eastern Bloc countries.
Nearly every day on this forum, there is a post about an idiot driver and what he did to someone on the road… surely they can’t all be Eastern Europeans■■?
I consider it racist because it is picking on a race of people who are not British.
As someone who took his trucks mileage from 60,000 kms to 110,000 kms in the three months before Xmas, I get cut up and see bad driving every day of the week but I have a life and a forgiving nature, I don’t come running onto here every time to talk about it. To some of you, its the highlight of your week telling all who can be bothered to listen how some Eastern European (after all, British drivers would never do any wrong) has carved you up.
A good few of you think you are the best thing since sliced bread behind the wheel of a truck. I see far more rubbish driving from British drivers than I do European drivers … and I work solely over the water.
Some of you need to get a life and STOP LISTENING TO ‘STORIES’
and, Lucy, I am more than than capable of looking after myself, thank you … I don’t need protecting from some old carrot cruncher
smcaul:
Please forgive me if I am wrong - but as far as I am aware - and I don’t hold a degree in geography - Eastern Europe does not have a race - it is made up of many different races, many of whom have spent the best part of the last 500 years trying to kill each other off. All that has been said in this thread is about a group of drivers - who to generalise them - have been given the collective name of “Eastern European Drivers”, I can’t see anything that can be construed as being rascist. I think perhaps the “R” word is used far to frequently by do gooders, and should only be really used when a specific “Race” is being targetted - not a geographic area!!!
Should we try xenophobic then. Although that is more by inference that actual words.
Some here are not happy with seeing East European drivers for probally justifiable reason, threat to jobs or quality of training.
Personally I’d wouldn’t blame people for getting off thier backside and finding work.
But I do have some concerns that some of these East European drivers might be getting licences and training aranged by agencies, which no doubt they then have to pay back at an extortionate rate, and then get sent the the UK without experience. Mainly because the rest of Europe took the option of keeping controls on Migrant workers.
smcaul:
Please forgive me if I am wrong - but as far as I am aware - and I don’t hold a degree in geography - Eastern Europe does not have a race - it is made up of many different races, many of whom have spent the best part of the last 500 years trying to kill each other off. All that has been said in this thread is about a group of drivers - who to generalise them - have been given the collective name of “Eastern European Drivers”, I can’t see anything that can be construed as being rascist. I think perhaps the “R” word is used far to frequently by do gooders, and should only be really used when a specific “Race” is being targetted - not a geographic area!!!
Should we try xenophobic then. Although that is more by inference that actual words.
Some here are not happy with seeing East European drivers for probally justifiable reason, threat to jobs or quality of training.
Personally I’d wouldn’t blame people for getting off thier backside and finding work.
But I do have some concerns that some of these East European drivers might be getting licences and training aranged by agencies, which no doubt they then have to pay back at an extortionate rate, and then get sent the the UK without experience. Mainly because the rest of Europe took the option of keeping controls on Migrant workers.
Thats a sensible concern, Muckles … and one that would bother me. They’re only trying to improve their quality of life, after all … we all want to do that
TheBear:
Oooooooooooooooooops, we were typing like mad at the same time, Lucy
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [zb]
with that sound argument you have convinced me teddy , [zb] comrade teddy.
You’re not the only one of us who can use an online translator. You are, however, the only of us who will get a Yellow Card if you try it again. L.
Lucy are you telling me my polish to English translator is corrupt, I am horrified, I was only saying how much i respect the bear and how i now agree with his way of thinking , I can only apologise from the bottom of my heart if any person was offended .
I will now look into the problem straight away as a yellow card would be a most unwanted gift.
Lucy:
Either it’s corrupt or you think I’m stupid. It’s quite possible that both are true.
Without wishing to be a brown nose I think there are maybe only your goodself and a couple of others sharp enough to figure out so quickley how my translator become sooooo " corrupt"
There are far to many “Agencies” trying to get in on the “European Labour Market” (is that pc enough ), they are offering labour at very “Competitive” rates, now I have no problem with people wanting to provide a better a life for themselves and their families, what I do object to is the fact that if the agency is charging less for these drivers then it goes without saying that the drivers themselves are getting paid less (and yes I can confirm what I have posted, but I am not prepared to go into detail on an open forum). All this does is deflates all drivers wages, now is that what people on here want? It was said eariler that they are only filling jobs that uk drivers don’t want, well why don’t we want it? Normally because it does not pay enough - supply and demand, the basis of our economy is being bypassed by using imported laboour. And where do you think the ££ they earn are spent? Not in the UK, that’s for sure. For every £1 you spend from your paypacket the govenment will see that same £1 spent 7 times by the time it gets back to the Bank of England. That is alot of tax the government is getting to pay for health care and schools, Now if that £1 is spent outside of the UK it will only raise £1 when it eventually finds it way back to the BofE.
To my mind there is nothing Racist or Xenophobic about the above, it is simple fact - and I have a right, as do others, to provide for themselves and their families without seeing their pay packets eroded by the influx of cheaper labour.
cant see it myself 
, maybe little ole teddy bear will point out the horrible racist parts of this thread , unless he is to traumatised to even look at it again 
Although that is more by inference that actual words.
I think there are maybe only your goodself and a couple of others sharp enough to figure out so quickley how my translator become sooooo " corrupt"