swellbelly:
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
im afraid he would need a driver cpc as he would only be covered on the c1 cat and not on c
Another incorrect statement
Why do so many give answers and not read the rules first ?
The rules are very plain on this issue
ROG:
swellbelly:
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
im afraid he would need a driver cpc as he would only be covered on the c1 cat and not on cAnother incorrect statement
Why do so many give answers and not read the rules first ?
too lazy 
to read the rulrs 
on the Internet too! 
swellbelly:
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
im afraid he would need a driver cpc as he would only be covered on the c1 cat and not on c
Not true. I’ve got acquired rights from having C1 on my licence from car test in 1992, and have just passed my Cat C test two weeks ago without needing modules 2 and 4 of the initial driver CPC.
I can drive Cat C today if I want to, all I need to do now is make sure I get my 35 hours periodic training in before Sept 2014
Just thought it would be worth bringing this back up as I’ve been sending emails out since passing my C+E looking for work. I don’t have the initial driver CPC as I passed car test in 1992 and had C1 entitlement, so have acquired rights. I’m currently doing the first couple of modules of periodic CPC training, and make mention of this on my cover letter and CV.
Anyway, this is a reply I got from a personnel officer at a big national haulier re: my situation as a new driver. It panicked me slightly, but I know I’m right and I DO have acquired rights…
Hi thanks for the email.
Ideally we require a minimum driving experience of 1 year.
Additionally, if you have just passed your test, you should be in possession of a driver qualification card to operate a vehicle. Unfortunately there are no grandfather rights ahead of 2014 for newly qualified drivers.
Thanks.
This settles it:
Who has ‘acquired rights’
You’ll have ‘acquired rights’ if you’re a:lorry driver and got your vocational licence (C, C1, C+E and C1+E) before 10 September 2009
bus or coach driver and got your vocational licence (D, D1, D+E and D1+E) before 10 September 2008
And the DQC
The driver qualification card (DQC)
After you’ve passed the initial qualification you’ll get a driver qualification card (DQC).You must carry your DQC while driving a large goods vehicle or passenger carrying vehicle.
If you have ‘acquired rights’
You won’t get a DQC if you have your Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) through ‘acquired rights’ until you’ve done 35 hours of periodic training.Your driving licence is proof of your Driver CPC until you’ve done this.
You don’t need to keep your licence with you, but if asked by the police, you must show it at a later date as proof of your ‘acquired rights’.
Like I said, I know I’m right cos I researched it fully when doing my training - I just thought it was a bit bad for someone hiring HGV drivers for a big firm to not know the rules and quote stuff like that in emails!
My drivers CPC card is valid for all categories on it. For example, I did the initial CPC for a PCV then later took more training half on PCV and half on LGV. The DCPC card I have right now has the expiry date in 2019 for both LGV and PCV categories.
The OP needs to get clarification from the driver, who he was pulled by and what paperwork was completed and then speak to the relevant authorities if you do not believe some of those from this forum to get it right… 
1968kg:
Rog is right, read this gov.uk/driver-certificate-o … red-rights
Having Driver CPC through ‘acquired rights’Snip
ExampleYou’d have to take the Driver CPC part 3 test with a C+E vehicle combination if your vocational licence was only for a category C vehicle.
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.
You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
Snip
Now Im confused…
I thought that the CPC part 3 was the “practical test of driving ability”
I.e your driving test its self, in the quoted example, the LGV C+E practical test
you know the one, nice frendly dude from VOSA, sitting next to you with there clipboard
“wikipedia” aggree’s, please Rog, can you clarify, my heads spinning 
de 2xQ
All that link is saying is that if you already had Cat C entitlement, acquired rights do not mean you can go out and drive C+E trucks without first passing the driving test. Same goes for if you have truck entitlement and want to drive buses. As you didn’t have any D categories before 2009, you’d need to do initial CPC for buses as your acquired rights only apply to truck categories
Module 3 is not dcpc one - only mods 2 and 4 are dcpc
Many state 4 modules for initial dcpc and for those doing their first C without GF rights they would need all 4 modules (in 5 parts cos mod 1 is 1a + 1b) to drive commercially but only mods 2 and 4 are initial dcpc modules
Jenson Button:
Well thats what I thought… but my driver has been told that no he should have his Driver Qual card ■■?
He should have his card already IF he’s been driving only since 2009.
If he doesn’t have one at this point (as I don’t either!) it’s because he has the acquired grandfather rights already mentioned for being a career driver before that date.
DCPC was introduced in 2009 for all newbies. Those already working as LGV drivers got out of doing the first five year block required of the newbies.
EVERYONE however has to have the next five year block in place by 9th September next year. No exemptions this time around.
If your guy has had his C licence since 1984, wouldn’t that have made him at least 21 then, and therefore at least 50 now?
Surely someone who already understands how “grandfather rights” works?
Winseer:
Jenson Button:
Well thats what I thought… but my driver has been told that no he should have his Driver Qual card ■■?He should have his card already IF he’s been driving only since 2009.
If he doesn’t have one at this point (as I don’t either!) it’s because he has the acquired grandfather rights already mentioned for being a career driver before that date.DCPC was introduced in 2009 for all newbies. Those already working as LGV drivers got out of doing the first five year block required of the newbies.
EVERYONE however has to have the next five year block in place by 9th September next year. No exemptions this time around.If your guy has had his C licence since 1984, wouldn’t that have made him at least 21 then, and therefore at least 50 now?
Surely someone who already understands how “grandfather rights” works?
I think you are mixing up the initial and periodic dcpc requirements
Are they not the very things that cross over on 9th sept 2014?
Winseer:
Are they not the very things that cross over on 9th sept 2014?
They both started on 10/09/2009 but there are different rules for each depending when a driver got their first LGV category put on their licence
Below refers to those LGV drivers who are driving commercially and not privately
Those with ANY LGV category on their licence before 10/09/2009 …
Exempt from initial LGV DCPC
They have a GHOST DQC for periodic DCPCexpiry dated 09/09/2014
Those gaining first LGV category of ANY sort after 09/09/2009 …
Initial LGV DCPC must be passed giving the driver a DQC expiry dated 5 years from the date of that pass
For both of the above…
35 hours of periodic DCPC must be done before any DQC expiry date if the driver wishes to keep driving LGVs commercially after that date
Well this has got my head in a spin to say the least I think I’ll just chuck in my licence in or around the 8th of Sept next what a crock of ■■■■ times ten
This is getting me confused.
I passed:
C1E test on 17/8/2006
C test on 26/6/2008
D test on 19/6/2009 and did initial Dcpc theory and practical (2 + 4?)
CE test on 11/2/2011 no dcpc test
Did I NEED to do an initial Dcpc for my D license? Reading the posts above I’m still not sure if i needed to.
I have since completed 35 hours of ongoing training and have a DQC expiry of 9/9/2019 so everything is hunky-dory.
mucker85:
This is getting me confused.I passed:
C1E test on 17/8/2006
C test on 26/6/2008
D test on 19/6/2009 and did initial Dcpc theory and practical (2 + 4?)
CE test on 11/2/2011 no dcpc testDid I NEED to do an initial Dcpc for my D license? Reading the posts above I’m still not sure if i needed to.
I have since completed 35 hours of ongoing training and have a DQC expiry of 9/9/2019 so everything is hunky-dory.
Yes you did need to do PCV dcpc mods 2 and 4
Did you have C1 before 17/8/2006 ?
The DCPC refers to LGV & PCV not to any specific category which is why when you did CE you did not need a dcpc test
Solly:
mmmm! I can see a lot of commercial vehicles parked up in 2014.
And maybe hourly rates may go up, as there may well be a shortage of qualified drivers about!
Hi everyone…newbie to trucknet here…my first post…apologies for length!!!
I have been reading the thread with interest and have to agree with everything ROG has said on the subject.
Just to clarify the scenario in question.
Anyone who passed their car test (Cat. B) AFTER January 1997 would not get C1 entitlement added to their licence, so regardless of which vocational entitlement they then added by passing an extra test (C1, C1+ E, C or C+E), if they wanted to drive ANY of the added on Category(s) of vehicles professionally then Module 2 and Module 4 are required to be taken & passed (once only) — at this point a DQC will be issued with an expiry date 5 years from Module 4 pass date, during that 5 year ‘window’ 35 hours further Periodic DCPC training must be carried out in order to keep DQC valid. This must be done before the Vocational vehicles are driven professionally, if this is not the case i.e. the person who passed the test is not driving for a living or they are driving that Category of vehicle for pleasure (horsebox, motor home) then Module 2 & Module 4 are not required. Should they then become employed as a driver then they would first need to pass Initial DCPC (Module 2 & 4) to gain their DQC.
For drivers who passed their car test (Cat. B) BEFORE January 1997 in most cases Cat. C1 would be included on their licence, whether or not they are employed as drivers they do not require Initial DCPC, indeed they are NOT eligible to take Modules 2 & 4, even if they add Categories by passing a further test (C and C+E). These drivers — even if NOT active-need to do 35 hours Periodic Training BEFORE 9 September 2014, in order to trigger their DQC. That is, if they want to keep their licence valid to drive LGV’s (above 3.5 tonnes GVW) professionally.
The information out there is misleading as it refers to ‘new’ LGV drivers requiring Initial DCPC, it would be better to regard ‘new’ LGV drivers in two groups…those who passed car test prior to 1997 with C1 on their licence (no Initial DCPC reqd., only Periodic DCPC training) and those ‘new’ LGV drivers who passed car test after 1997 — these one’s require Initial DCPC Modules 2 & 4 to enable them to drive large vehicles professionally. This is the case for all LGV licence acquisitions; PCV licence acquisitions are different and dealt with below.
ALL drivers taking and passing Cat. D1,D1+E, D and D+E driving tests WILL require Modules 2 & 4 Initial DCPC training/testing before they drive professionally (once only…triggering DQC as above) as the PCV Vocational licensing has no acquired rights for ANY drivers . Those who passed Cat. B car test prior to 1997 may have D1 on their licence with Restriction Code 101 (not for hire or reward) — this is NOT a Vocational entitlement and is not affected by DCPC.
Phew…hope that’s all clear!!!
In your first post above you mentioned pre 97 LGV licence holders but failed to mention those who passed any LGV test after 1996 but before 10 sept 2009
It is having any LGV category on the licence before 10 Sept 2009 which is the important date that determines whether the driver needs initial or not before going into the dcpc periodic system
