I’m not sure whether this makes it any clearer:
I know the DQC has an expiry date but does it also have a start/from date ?
ROG:
Jenson Button:
Well thats what I thought… but my driver has been told that no he should have his Driver Qual card ■■?By who ?
Rog i think your wrong
He could earn a living driving a c1 vehicle and have till 2014 to do cpc. Now he has just passed cat c which is a new part to his driving licsene. For him to earn a living he has to do mod 2 and 4 and once that is done he gets a cpc card.
Trust me i’ve just been through it all and have a cpc card with 28 hours on.
Rog is right, read this gov.uk/driver-certificate-o … red-rights
Having Driver CPC through ‘acquired rights’
You could have the Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) through ‘acquired rights’ if you’re already a professional lorry, bus or coach driver.
This means that because you’ve already been working as a lorry or bus driver, your experience is counted as the same as taking the Driver CPC initial qualification.
You’ll still need to do 35 hours of periodic training every 5 years to keep your Driver CPC.
Who has ‘acquired rights’
You’ll have ‘acquired rights’ if you’re a:
lorry driver and got your vocational licence (C, C1, C+E and C1+E) before 10 September 2009 bus or coach driver and got your vocational licence (D, D1, D+E and D1+E) before 10 September 2008
You don’t have ‘acquired rights’ if you have a D, D1, D+E or D1+E licence with ‘not for hire or reward’ or ‘101’ on it. You’ll need to pass all 4 parts of the Driver CPC initial qualification to be able to drive professionally.
When you need to do periodic training
If you’ve got your Driver CPC by ‘acquired rights’ you must do 35 hours of periodic training by:
9 September 2014 if you’re a lorry driver 9 September 2013 if you’re a bus or coach driver
Driving a larger vehicle and adding trailer entitlements
Your ‘acquired rights’ don’t allow you to drive a larger vehicle of the same type or drive with a trailer if this isn’t on your vocational licence.
You’ll have to pass the Driver CPC part 3 (driving ability) test to do this.
Example
You’d have to take the Driver CPC part 3 test with a C+E vehicle combination if your vocational licence was only for a category C vehicle.
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.
You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
Example
You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for buses and coaches if you only had ‘acquired rights’ for lorries.
mickyblue:
ROG:
Jenson Button:
Well thats what I thought… but my driver has been told that no he should have his Driver Qual card ■■?By who ?
Rog i think your wrong
He could earn a living driving a c1 vehicle and have till 2014 to do cpc. Now he has just passed cat c which is a new part to his driving licsene. For him to earn a living he has to do mod 2 and 4 and once that is done he gets a cpc card.
Trust me i’ve just been through it all and have a cpc card with 28 hours on.
Sorry micky but that is incorrect
The dcpc refers to LGV and not specific categories of LGV
Trust me - not only have I read the rules but also got it from the experts on the DSA hotline 0191 201 8112 
I’m going to tentatively bet this is Switch Island.
the maoster:
AlexWignall:
kevchalluk:
I wondering about the driver qualification card today actually - I assume that I will only get one after I’ve done my 35 hours, as I’ve not done the initial DCPC?Your DCPC card will come in the post when you finish your thirty five hours. It looks similar to your Driving Licence photocard but is blue.
From then on, you must have the card on your person if driving an in scope commercial vehicle for hire or reward.
W
Really? I understand that once a digi card has been issued then you must carry it with you even when using anologue only, but I wasn’t aware of any requirement to carry your blue dcpc card prior to the cut off date.
I have mine, and admittedly I carry it with me, but only because it’s in my wallet and if I put it in avdrawer at home my gf would “tidy” it away. But I am willing to be corrected on the legalities of it.
Keep it in your wallet, if not and you get a tug your wallet will be 39quid lighter, and after sept 2014 your bank account will be 1k lighter.
dowahdiddyman:
Keep it in your wallet, if not and you get a tug your wallet will be 39quid lighter, and after sept 2014 your bank account will be 1k lighter.
Not quite correct
Not carrying the DQC will get the driver a FPN of £30 but not completing the correct training can get the driver and boss up to a fine of £1000 each
mickyblue:
ROG:
Jenson Button:
Well thats what I thought… but my driver has been told that no he should have his Driver Qual card ■■?By who ?
Rog i think your wrong
He could earn a living driving a c1 vehicle and have till 2014 to do cpc. Now he has just passed cat c which is a new part to his driving licsene. For him to earn a living he has to do mod 2 and 4 and once that is done he gets a cpc card.
Trust me i’ve just been through it all and have a cpc card with 28 hours on.
Trust Rog (can’t believe i’m saying that ) the driver does not need a driver cpc card until Sept 2014 and he needs to complete 35hours periodic training to gain it NOT the Mod 2 & 4 as he already holds a c1 licence.
John
This is the 6th case like this I have come across. In all cases it was the Police issuing the fine. In all cases I knew the driver and the Operator and had advised them no DQC required. In all cases they paid the £30 rather than argue but are still driving as they were.
Rog is completely correct. The DQC applies to the whole range of ‘C’ or ‘D’ categories. If however the holder of a C1 then acquired a ‘D’ they would need the initial CPC for the ‘D’ and vice-versa.
it is clear some enforing officers have not read their instructions properly - or their instructions are wrong. Alternatively - someone changed the rules and didn’t mention it.
C1 isn’t a HGV/LGV is it?? anyone can drive a 7.5T if they have a car license and come under grandfather rights.
So are we saying that come 2014, ANYONE that holds a C1 license can’t just jump into a 7.5T vehicle and pretend to be a truck driver?? They have to do 35 hours like the real drivers?? 
Also I think people are getting mixed up between the 35 hours DCPC and the initial DCPC… Two completely different things.
For goods vehicles the periodic DCPC training is needed by anyone with a ‘C’ category (including C1 from olden days) obtained prior to 09/09/2009.
I have delivered the training to plenty of C1 only licence holders.
As far as licence categories go - C1 is a sub-category of C and therefore a C licence.
FarnboroughBoy11:
C1 isn’t a HGV/LGV is it??
It is (and technically it’s not being driven on a car licence )
This is why the dcpc refers to LGVs because a LGV is any vehicle over 3.5 tonnes GVW with less than 10 total seats
By referring to LGV it stops any confusion over the various categories
FarnboroughBoy11:
anyone can drive a 7.5T if they have a car license obtained before 01/01/1997 and come under grandfather rights.
FTFY. 
FarnboroughBoy11:
So are we saying that come 2014, ANYONE that holds a C1 license can’t just jump into a 7.5T vehicle and pretend to be a truck driver?? They have to do 35 hours like the real drivers??
Yes, that’s correct.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Also I think people are getting mixed up between the 35 hours DCPC and the initial DCPC… Two completely different things.
They are indeed two completely different things, which is why they’re called ‘initial’ and ‘periodic.’
As you already know, the upper limit for C1 is 7.5t, but many people forget that C1 must also have a lower threshold limit.
With only only a few limited exceptions, the rules for (both) DCPCs apply to drivers of vehicles with an authorised MAM of more than 3.5t (= C1.)
mmmm! I can see a lot of commercial vehicles parked up in 2014. 
dieseldave:
FarnboroughBoy11:
anyone can drive a 7.5T if they have a car license obtained before 01/01/1997 and come under grandfather rights.FTFY.
FarnboroughBoy11:
So are we saying that come 2014, ANYONE that holds a C1 license can’t just jump into a 7.5T vehicle and pretend to be a truck driver?? They have to do 35 hours like the real drivers??Yes, that’s correct.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Also I think people are getting mixed up between the 35 hours DCPC and the initial DCPC… Two completely different things.They are indeed two completely different things, which is why they’re called ‘initial’ and ‘periodic.’
With only only a few limited exceptions, the rules for (both) DCPCs apply to drivers of vehicles with an authorised MAM of more than 3.5t (= C1.)
Cheers DD, loud and clear 
Solly:
mmmm! I can see a lot of commercial vehicles parked up in 2014.
That could be the case especially for those companys who only run 7.5s and drivers who have the pre 97 licences where it seems many still do not realise that they come under the dcpc
ROG:
Solly:
mmmm! I can see a lot of commercial vehicles parked up in 2014.That could be the case especially for those companys who only run 7.5s and drivers who have the pre 97 licences where it seems many still do not realise that they come under the dcpc
My thoughts exactly…ROG.
Jenson Button:
One of our lads has been pulled this morning… he has his C1 going back from 1984, but he only passed his C licence in August 12 - I have been letting him drive without even a 2nd thought - I was aware he had not done mod 2 and 4 - but my interpretation is that he held a C class licence so did not need to - same as if he had held his C before 2009, and did his C+E last year.I have been told today that this is wrong - and he needs his inital DCPC card to be able to driver vocationally - (he was driving a class C vehcile)
Can anyone help point out where i have gone wrong ?
Driving a different type of vehicle
Your ‘acquired rights’ only counts for the type of vehicle you’d originally got your vocational licence for.
You’d have to get the Driver CPC initial qualification for the other type of vehicle.
im afraid he would need a driver cpc as he would only be covered on the c1 cat and not on c