But, FYI, £80.75 per day. But stay awake!!
Pete 
At least ■■■■ Turpin wore a mask 
turbot:
But, FYI, £80.75 per day. But stay awake!!Pete
At least ■■■■ Turpin wore a mask
Lol…
Probably +VAT and upload fees too
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Driver cpc scam
by Peter Smythe
Peter Smythe:
But, FYI, £80.75 per day. But stay awake!!Pete
Not bad if you get 20 suckers in a course… £1615 for A COURSE… ZB me
And you wonder why people are looking for ways round it
I wonder if there was a nationwide poll.as to if drivers had the choice and had to pay for it themselves…how many would take it on…? or a vote to scrap it alltogether how many would put there hand up ?
Including VAT and upload. But who cares? Surely better off getting it cheaper for a crap day full of bs. Or better still, a brown envelope and dont bother with it at all.
Pete
shytalk:
I wonder if there was a nationwide poll.as to if drivers had the choice and had to pay for it themselves…how many would take it on…? or a vote to scrap it alltogether how many would put there hand up ?
I think it should change, not go…
If you take a test and pass, you can go home
If you fail, you need to be trained on the subject you failed on
Peter Smythe:
Including VAT and upload. But who cares? Surely better off getting it cheaper for a crap day full of bs. Or better still, a brown envelope and dont bother with it at all.Pete
I am yet to hear how good your courses are, but it is just covering the same BS as everyone else.
Ladies and gentlemen… the ‘Gravy Train’ has arrived
robroy:
Scanner:
You don’t get it, '"do you? I’m not being subservient at all, I’m making sure that something trivial doesn’t become something very serious. Surely you’ve heard the expression “choose your battles”?I don’t give a toss what you think of me, your childish gibes and small-minded approach, I’ve seen many times before. You are the bloke in the waiting room that I walk away from.
Surely you’ve heard the expression Pot calling kettle black, you ask me how old I am, say let me make it simple for you, and go onto make other beligerent patronizing comments, then say I am small minded and childish
What do you expect? You advocate breaking a law that has the potential for all sorts of serious repercussions on those stupid enough to actually obtain a DCPC card fruadulently (for that is what they would be doing) and therefore driving for a living illegally.
You clearly didn’t understand my post, that is why I simplified and clarified it.
I’m not going to agree with anything that causes hassle for me. I don’t agree with the DCPC at all, but I’m certainly not going to agree with people fiddling their way around it and creating more suspicion, more roadside checks, more paperwork, more non-jobs, more invasions of privacy, more stupid questions from insurance companies, more bits of plastic to carry around and ultimately more of these stupid courses that you’re trying to avoid!
Just have someone on the door to check licences, if you aint got a C or C+E you aint coming in, I doubt these MI5 FBI SAS CPC spies have that category on their licence
I can see its ruffled some feathers, i think if you want the card in your wallet and THINK ! it magicaly turns you into SUPER…DRIVER.it should be voluntry…why take away a mans living when he has paid hundreds of pounds to do the job in the first place ? by forceing this rubbish onto them…why is it so important ? you have done the driving course paid for it…now its not good enough lets all go back to school and pay for the privelage, so the course you borrowed begged…saved up for to be a truck driver is now null and void, i can see a lot of unemployed drivers…early retirement…me included ) why do we put up with this…? it beggers belief.
I would like to see a situation where a newly qualified driver gets 35 hours out driving commercially,sharing wheel time with a senior driver.This would at least be relevant training.
I’d be amazed if the traffic police give a toss about driver Cpc but I suppose if someone has dropped the ball in an RTA & they want to pile the pain on they may investigate with a view to having one more thing to pin on the perp.
The police know bull ■■■■ when they smell it & the dcpc reeks of it. The licence should be all you need to drive a truck.
The driver Cpc is a total load of ■■■■■■■■ but I suppose if it reduces the competition after 2014 we may actually attract a higher rate (yeah right).
Well said Alan. I would back dcpc if that was the case but then it would cost about 3 grand rather than whatever it is now, at least it could be justified though!!!
alamcculloch:
I would like to see a situation where a newly qualified driver gets 35 hours out driving commercially,sharing wheel time with a senior driver.This would at least be relevant training.
I’ve got a few miles under my ■■■■ but at the moment I’m so demoralised and demotivated I doubt I would would impart anything useful. The demotivation due solely to long on promise and short on delivery (of said promises) by the company that I work for, a bit like the DCPC really. 
the only requirement is to attend, you can not fail someone for sleeping - if a polish person turned up without understanding a word of the [zb] coming out of trainers mouth, he can not fail
Sorry, but that’s just not true. For a start, there is no pass/fail. But there is registration of the delegate details with the DSA to credit the driver cpc system. And yes, if a driver sleeps through the course, I am absolutely correct not to register the details. Makes sense if you think about it.
As for the Polish person, clearly it’s a problem. But we do the best we can, and they certainly understand the subject. Something to do with being willing to learn, perhaps?
I said at the start of the thread that all I wanted to do was to steer drivers clear of this scam which is clearly going to backfire on them at some point. If anyone wants to take notice, or not, that’s up to them. I repeat that I fully agree that the cpc is flawed, seriously, and needs some heavyweight attention.
It’s my job to satisfy the existing rules to the best of our ability. I will not cut corners or put my reputation at risk. If others choose to do this, that’s their business. My only concern is for the driver who will suddenly find he has no cpc entitlement.
Pete
Peter Smythe:
the only requirement is to attend, you can not fail someone for sleeping - if a polish person turned up without understanding a word of the [zb] coming out of trainers mouth, he can not fail
Sorry, but that’s just not true. For a start, there is no pass/fail. But there is registration of the delegate details with the DSA to credit the driver cpc system. And yes, if a driver sleeps through the course, I am absolutely correct not to register the details. Makes sense if you think about it.
As for the Polish person, clearly it’s a problem. But we do the best we can, and they certainly understand the subject. Something to do with being willing to learn, perhaps?
It’s my job to satisfy the existing rules to the best of our ability. I will not cut corners or put my reputation at risk. If others choose to do this, that’s their business. My only concern is for the driver who will suddenly find he has no cpc entitlement.
Pete
Please don’t take this personally as I don’t mean it that way, but this is typical of the flannel I have heard on every DCPC course I’ve been on and demonstrative of the inadequacy of the whole DCPC scheme.
Can you show me the empirical difference in the educational value of what is learned by somebody who is asleep vs somebody who doesn’t understand what you are saying?
It is demonstrably not your job to satisfy the the rules. You are a trainer not a rule-satisfier, you have a legal and moral responsibility to the people who are paying you to train them - to train them.
It is disingenuous to say your only concern is for the driver after stating that your job is to satisfy rules. In any case as a business owner, your main concern is to your business, surely?
How can it be that every trainer I’ve come across has the same wooly answers when pressed?
To Peter Smythe out of the figure you charge would it be possible to tell how much does the authorities take as a cut per person per module, the driver cpc needs to be re-jigged (but it wont) something on the lines as a refresher course,once every 5 years or so depending on the length of time you have had your licence.this is only my opinion and I would not begrudge handing over hard earned money for a decent day in the classroom.
Please don’t take this personally as I don’t mean it that way, but this is typical of the flannel I have heard on every DCPC course I’ve been on and demonstrative of the inadequacy of the whole DCPC scheme.
Can you show me the empirical difference in the educational value of what is learned by somebody who is asleep vs somebody who doesn’t understand what you are saying?
It is demonstrably not your job to satisfy the the rules. You are a trainer not a rule-satisfier, you have a legal and moral responsibility to the people who are paying you to train them - to train them.
It is disingenuous to say your only concern is for the driver after stating that your job is to satisfy rules. In any case as a business owner, your main concern is to your business, surely?
Good to have a considered question fired at me! Firstly, I have said on many occasions that the driver cpc, in it’s present form, is flawed and needs some major attention. So I’m not going to try and defend the scheme as it stands.
We have, on one occasion, had a Polish driver who had very limited use of English. He coped with the course as we used diagrams perhaps a bit more than normal. Similarly, we have had an English profoundly deaf driver who did the course in a similar manner. And, on both occasions, it was good to see the understanding from the other drivers. But someone who has just come off nights and wants to sit in the corner and go to sleep will not be registered with DSA.
The attitude of many drivers when they arrive is exactly how we would expect. ie “what a waste of time, cash cow, etc etc” But at the end of the day, it’s great to receive the positive comments about how much has been learned and how enjoyable the day was and quite different to what was expected. And, of course, there will always be one who has learned nothing, didn’t enjoy it and it’s all a total waste of time.
I pride myself on the standard of training from our centre and it is continually monitored internally and externally to ensure the highest possible standards. We are fortunate not to employ any cpc tutors who have not been drivers. The fact that this doesn’t have to be the case, IMO, is one of the problems with the driver cpc. We ensure that our activities remain within the rules laid down by whichever authority we have to satisfy at the time. Strangely, my main concern is the satisfaction of the customer. I’ve found that the business flourishes very well as a result.
Whether anyone chooses to believe this or not is totally up to them - but there are many forum users (especially in New and Wannabees) who can vouch for the standards at the centre.
Pete
trubster:
Peter Smythe:
As you are aware, this fantastic idea (DCPC) only requires me to attend, I am happy to turn up and have my daily rest in the corner of your training room
Also Pete - the only requirement is to attend, you can not fail someone for sleeping - if a polish person turned up without understanding a word of the [zb] coming out of trainers mouth, he can not fail
Yet another trainer getting above their station. Trainers do not and can not set the rules of play here. The requirement is to attend so being there is enough. Who in their right mind would want to pay for 7 hours of arduous torture listening to some knob trying to make the 4.5 hour driving rule sound interesting followed by as many ■■■ breaks as possible to fill the time.
The simple fact is that it is not a pass or fail criteria so handing over cash for card is no different only you have saved yourself 35 hours of mind numbing waffle and managed to not lose 5 night shift in the deal.
Pete, you are only ■■■■■■ that others are doing what the customers want and you aint got the balls to do it yourself so come on here bleating about how unfair it all is, well get this, the DCPC is unfair to us but we have to put up with it so I suggest you put up with a little competition.
To add, in all my 20 years as a class one driver, I have never undertaken any training. The only training if you can call it that is from other experienced hands passing on time served tips and knowledge, something that the DCPC can not and does not currently offer.
Take Trubster for example, I’ve probably taught him more about this industry than he has ever learned from reading comics or listening to expert dcpc trainers and that is where it all falls down, drivers being taught how to be so called professional by total ■■■■■■■ muppets.
To Peter Smythe out of the figure you charge would it be possible to tell how much does the authorities take as a cut per person per module, the driver cpc needs to be re-jigged (but it wont) something on the lines as a refresher course,once every 5 years or so depending on the length of time you have had your licence.this is only my opinion and I would not begrudge handing over hard earned money for a decent day in the classroom.
We charge £80.75. The DSA take £8.75. The VAT man takes £12.00. Total deductions £20.25 leaving us with £60.00.
Out of interest, we then have to pay the tutor (not cheap as very experienced and highly qualified), rent on the training centre (don’t even go there!) admin support to deal with the booking, registration and DSA uploads. We were the first in the county to be approved for driver cpc in 2008 (the bus drivers started a year before lorry drivers). We made a loss every year until 2012 when we made a small profit. This year is looking better and, by the end of the year, we should have recovered the losses from the first 3 years.
So will someone please explain to me how this “cash cow” works!!!
Pete
Peter Smythe:
To Peter Smythe out of the figure you charge would it be possible to tell how much does the authorities take as a cut per person per module, the driver cpc needs to be re-jigged (but it wont) something on the lines as a refresher course,once every 5 years or so depending on the length of time you have had your licence.this is only my opinion and I would not begrudge handing over hard earned money for a decent day in the classroom.
We charge £80.75. The DSA take £8.75. The VAT man takes £12.00. Total deductions £20.25 leaving us with £60.00.
Out of interest, we then have to pay the tutor (not cheap as very experienced and highly qualified), rent on the training centre (don’t even go there!) admin support to deal with the booking, registration and DSA uploads. We were the first in the county to be approved for driver cpc in 2008 (the bus drivers started a year before lorry drivers). We made a loss every year until 2012 when we made a small profit. This year is looking better and, by the end of the year, we should have recovered the losses from the first 3 years.
So will someone please explain to me how this “cash cow” works!!!
Pete
Pete, you are coming out with the same thing ALL DCPC Trainers come out with… Bull ■■■■!!!
“We charge £80.75. The DSA take £8.75. The VAT man takes £12.00. Total deductions £20.25 leaving us with £60.00.”
The vat man will not take £12 unless the whole £72.00 is profit, if you have to buy equipment etc this is all deductable
The rent on the little training room is in the building you rent so no additional costs… the expensive trainer is probably a hgv trainer you have on the books anyway so again very little cost
based on you not reclaiming anything for VAT then as you say, leaves £60 x 20= £1200… very good for a days work, even I cant make that!