I’m not interested in starting a debate about the validity or otherwise of the driver cpc. But I felt I should give a gentle warning. I am becoming more and more aware of driver cpc modules being offered in exchange for cash. In other words, no need to attend the course - just pay your money and sign the register and go home. Some may think this is a clever way of dealing with it - especially as many drivers see no value in it.
BUT, when the trainers in question are caught (and they will be) their registers will be searched and the hours credited could well be cancelled. So, in short, if you take part in this scam, you stand to loose your money and your cpc. So you wont be able to work, potentially, until you’ve paid again and actually done the training.
If anyone has further information about these scams I’d be interested to hear.
This is going to be inevitable when after the initial rush has passed there will be an oversupply of trainers with bills to pay and I think the biggest risk to it collapsing in its present form. It will be impossible for JAUPT to police and as far as I’m concerned, and I suspect most drivers forced to to take time from work and pay out of their own pockets, I couldn’t care less and am actually glad to hear it.
This country is rapidly descending into having an economy predominantly based on parasitical activity on the backs of the ever diminishing genuine working men and they’ll be a plague well rid of.
How will they prove the previous courses have not actually taken place?
Is a driver going to admit to it? I doubt it, what about the trainer? I doubt it too.
I have been on a Tax course and the trainer said that the tax people do spot checks to make sure the course is actually happening, if they turn upto a tax course and no one is there then fair enough the people booked on that course should lose their cash and hours, proving that the previous courses were non existent is very very unlikely.
bubsy06:
How will they prove the previous courses have not actually taken place?
Is a driver going to admit to it? I doubt it, what about the trainer? I doubt it too.
bubsy06:
How will they prove the previous courses have not actually taken place?
Is a driver going to admit to it? I doubt it, what about the trainer? I doubt it too.
I have been on a Tax course and the trainer said that the tax people do spot checks to make sure the course is actually happening, if they turn upto a tax course and no one is there then fair enough the people booked on that course should lose their cash and hours, proving that the previous courses were non existent is very very unlikely.
Exactly more vested interest scaremongering from the parasites. On the topic of vested interest scaremongering I feel sorry for any fitters that take trucks to test that wasted time and money on DCPC. I did try and tell people at the time to ignore the vested interest scaremongers and save some time and money.
I struggle to see how companies can get away with this, as we are inspected every 6-8 weeks as I believe are most CPC companies. We have had inspectors turning up at start of course, at lunchtime and with only a few hours to go.
ugt:
I struggle to see how companies can get away with this, as we are inspected every 6-8 weeks as I believe are most CPC companies. We have had inspectors turning up at start of course, at lunchtime and with only a few hours to go.
I would think wait until it’s clear no inspection then add fictional attendees.
At the mo’ I’m working for a strictly legit outfit, if they’re found to be doing anything wrong then it’s mostly through ignorance or human failure. Due to the diligent manner in which they approach the job, any problems that arise are dealt with & then they look towards ensuring that specific problem doesn’t arise again.
Not so the previous outfit. A total & utter contempt for the law. Any driver that lacks a full sack of testicles would soon fall by the wayside, only to be trampled upon by the 100’s looking to replace them.
Believe it or not, I considered the previous outfit to be the better place to work at.
At my previous place, the DCPC is going to dealt with by the traditional method of what is called ‘the bung’. A plain brown envelope stuffed with £cash, which in one fell swoop will solve the DCPC problem faced by that Co’s drivers.
It would be pointless arguing on TNUK about why I think my previous Co’ had the better approach but basically it boils down to this. The whole shambles that is DCPC is a farce, buying 15+ drivers a DCPC entitlement for less than £50 each is also a farce, but our farce is cheaper than your farce !
If you want the names of the players Pete then PM me. These are trucks that YOU see on the road every working day. BTW, these are the sort of people that are amongst the most polite & nice people you have ever met, but when they get pi$$ed off, your business premises or even your garden shed gets mysteriously burned down, I’ve even heard of blokes opening mail that contain nowt more than a photo of their missus dropping their kids off at school.
How will they prove the previous courses have not actually taken place?
Is a driver going to admit to it? I doubt it, what about the trainer? I doubt it too.
When under suspicion, a centre can be subjected to “silent” checks to gather evidence. I also know of one case (I emphasise, only one) where the candidate was driving - nicely recorded on his digicard - when he was supposedly attending a course. It’s not difficult for them to tie it up if they make a start.
Can I repeat that I started this thread as a warning against getting involved in this type of thing as they could potentially end up with real problems. For myself, we are busy enough so I’m not particularly bothered that rogues are taking some work.
Great you’ve got plenty of work and, despite posting this, aren’t really bothered.
Thanks for letting the rest of us know we can save a few quid by going to one of these more efficient training provider competitors of yours.
They’ll all be doing this when the initial rush is over and everyone’s fighting for work with the mortgage to pay. The way it’s implemented means a five yearly cycle of boom and bust for training providers can’t be avoided and those fixed business costs will still be there.
Looking at the way the cells are only lined with people that fess up, a stonewall of denial will stop anything in it’s tracks.
As far as the government is concerned, the implementation of the onion-layers of things like DCPC training is all about extracting more cash from the driving community. If the money has been paid, they don’t give a ■■■■ about the rest, so I suggest that this headline scam will NOT be stopped. Since the Driver is not the victim, the scamming might not even be reported either.
No one pays much attention to a third-party grass anymore as it is.
The REAL scam is the way some hauliers “expect you to have a new DCPC you’ve paid for yourself”, but won’t offer ANYTHING towards it themselves.
Damned tightwads! I’ve already been turned down for one full time job - because I didn’t have a blue card! … Oh let’s just take on the 6 points OK bod instead, because some Catweazle got one via the DSS 2 year’s off raft-of-stuff-throw-at-you program!
The employers that WOULD pay you through the course - you can’t get 13 weeks at to qualify!
I’m being told I can’t even offset the double expense of paying for my own, and taking 35 hours off unpaid to do it. FFS!
I might have to go self-employed next year just to get some wages in that I CAN offset such expenses against.
ugt:
I struggle to see how companies can get away with this, as we are inspected every 6-8 weeks as I believe are most CPC companies. We have had inspectors turning up at start of course, at lunchtime and with only a few hours to go.
I would think wait until it’s clear no inspection then add fictional attendees.
That is absolutely the way it is done have 4 legit clients who sit there for the 7 hours. Once its over the rest is just administrative money for old rope£££££
Own Account Driver:
This country is rapidly descending into having an economy predominantly based on parasitical activity on the backs of the ever diminishing genuine working men and they’ll be a plague well rid of.
That is the most accurate description of the present UK economy I’ve ever seen.
