Limeyphil said
How much is it?
ours charges £250 all in. no need to attend, just give him the licence details.
i’m not doing it, just saying.
Thats £70 cheaper than the 2 that i know that will do it this way 
Peter Smythe:
I’m not interested in starting a debate about the validity or otherwise of the driver cpc. But I felt I should give a gentle warning. I am becoming more and more aware of driver cpc modules being offered in exchange for cash. In other words, no need to attend the course - just pay your money and sign the register and go home. Some may think this is a clever way of dealing with it - especially as many drivers see no value in it.BUT, when the trainers in question are caught (and they will be) their registers will be searched and the hours credited could well be cancelled. So, in short, if you take part in this scam, you stand to loose your money and your cpc. So you wont be able to work, potentially, until you’ve paid again and actually done the training.
If anyone has further information about these scams I’d be interested to hear.
All the best, Pte
So if it isn’t affecting you why are you bothered enough to ask for some busybody to grass these guys up? is it a public service campaign or something you are on, or is it that you can see an end to the gravy train if drivers that can see this horse sh for what it really is go for the option of handing over a few quid enabling them to spend x no of hours with their families rather than sit bored out of their skulls listening to somebody like you teaching them how to do a job that they have maybe done for 30+ years.
If a driver can get through this crap through the back door, well good luck to him I say.
I have my card having sat through 5x7 hours of “training”.I would not advocate getting involved in criminal activities but the DCPC as it stands could be construed as criminal activity.
Chas:
Hi Pete.At the mo’ I’m working for a strictly legit outfit, if they’re found to be doing anything wrong then it’s mostly through ignorance or human failure. Due to the diligent manner in which they approach the job, any problems that arise are dealt with & then they look towards ensuring that specific problem doesn’t arise again.
Not so the previous outfit. A total & utter contempt for the law. Any driver that lacks a full sack of testicles would soon fall by the wayside, only to be trampled upon by the 100’s looking to replace them.
Believe it or not, I considered the previous outfit to be the better place to work at.
At my previous place, the DCPC is going to dealt with by the traditional method of what is called ‘the bung’. A plain brown envelope stuffed with £cash, which in one fell swoop will solve the DCPC problem faced by that Co’s drivers.
It would be pointless arguing on TNUK about why I think my previous Co’ had the better approach but basically it boils down to this. The whole shambles that is DCPC is a farce, buying 15+ drivers a DCPC entitlement for less than £50 each is also a farce, but our farce is cheaper than your farce !
If you want the names of the players Pete then PM me. These are trucks that YOU see on the road every working day. BTW, these are the sort of people that are amongst the most polite & nice people you have ever met, but when they get pi$$ed off, your business premises or even your garden shed gets mysteriously burned down, I’ve even heard of blokes opening mail that contain nowt more than a photo of their missus dropping their kids off at school.
Essex or Kent?
I for one went down the other route . Purely down to costs as an OD i did not have to park up and lose £**** per day when i have done all my life is take exams to get where i am now . And have been an OD for over thirty years. The waste carriers licence is another government scam to make money . if i could have avoided that i would have do so
So if it isn’t affecting you why are you bothered enough to ask for some busybody to grass these guys up?
Because I genuinely believe that most drivers are straightforward and honest but could get dragged into this fraud. As for gravy train, I’m glad I dont rely on driver cpc for a living! From 2008 to 2011 I lost money year on year operating the “gravy train”. So if I show a profit for the last couple of years I really have no problem with that.
I have tried to warn against getting involved; it’s up to each individual to do what they believe is right.
I have consistently agreed that the way the driver cpc is set up is far from perfect. But to break the law is perhaps not the best way of registering discontent.
Pete
Peter Smythe:
So if it isn’t affecting you why are you bothered enough to ask for some busybody to grass these guys up?
Because I genuinely believe that most drivers are straightforward and honest but could get dragged into this fraud. As for gravy train, I’m glad I dont rely on driver cpc for a living! From 2008 to 2011 I lost money year on year operating the “gravy train”. So if I show a profit for the last couple of years I really have no problem with that.
I have tried to warn against getting involved; it’s up to each individual to do what they believe is right.
I have consistently agreed that the way the driver cpc is set up is far from perfect. But to break the law is perhaps not the best way of registering discontent.
Pete
Yeh? Well I can only speak for myself, so thanks for your concern but I ain’t entirely convinced of your agenda on this, and as I’m big old and ugly enough to see through things for myself, same as probably most on here, I will decide what is the best way to deal with this rather than take advise based on a very probable ulterior motive from one with a vested interest, profitable or otherwise.
Dont worry about it the biggest scam is the driver cpc its self with the other farce the silly WTD.
fuse:
Dont worry about it the biggest scam is the driver cpc its self with the other farce the silly WTD.
Peter Smythe:
So if it isn’t affecting you why are you bothered enough to ask for some busybody to grass these guys up?
Because I genuinely believe that most drivers are straightforward and honest but could get dragged into this fraud. As for gravy train, I’m glad I dont rely on driver cpc for a living! From 2008 to 2011 I lost money year on year operating the “gravy train”. So if I show a profit for the last couple of years I really have no problem with that.
I have tried to warn against getting involved; it’s up to each individual to do what they believe is right.
I have consistently agreed that the way the driver cpc is set up is far from perfect. But to break the law is perhaps not the best way of registering discontent.
Pete
So so we all agree the scam is on…full tilt-us lorryist we are all here to get the JOB DONE… U BOUGHT IT WE BROUGHT IT…if it’s brown enves for DCPC well- job done…if it’s multiple digi cards well -job done-just don’t get caught/kill anyone(guns don’t people do) or there may be another H&S memo slowing us down feeding our families…KEEP THE WHEELS TURNING AND THE FLIP FLOPS DOIN’ ALL THE JOBS WE DON’T WANNA DO…!!!-Solidarity…we hold all the cards!
ANY one send me pm with details where i can purchase stuff the course just give me the ticket
Whether rite or wrong…the back hander, thats for the individual to decide, the criminal part is the DCPC ! thats taking money under false pretences…bugger the ■■■■ poor wages some drivers take home to keep a family…we will just give them another kick in the knackers, why take the ■■■■ ? it takes a certain ammount of common sense to drive a truck…and feeding this utter rubbish as a positive towards a drivers competence is a joke, how can you expect drivers with donkeys yrs experience to take it lying down, implement it from the offset for new drivers…dont insult the experienced please.
shytalk:
how can you expect drivers with donkeys yrs experience to take it lying down, implement it from the offset for new drivers…dont insult the experienced please.
That’s part of the problem THEY DO!
It appears that some are treating it with the contempt it deserves by beating the system, so you get people like our friend the instructor urging the a holes among us too grass everybody up, cos he ain’t happy that he could be missing out on a bit of revenue 
and some are no doubt PMing him with it 
Solidarity among drivers?..Yeh right! 
robroy:
shytalk:
how can you expect drivers with donkeys yrs experience to take it lying down, implement it from the offset for new drivers…dont insult the experienced please.That’s part of the problem THEY DO!
It appears that some are trying to beat the system by treating it with the contempt it deserves by beating the system, so you get people like our friend the instructor urging the a holes among us too grass everybody up, cos he ain’t happy that he could be missing out on a bit of revenue
Solidarity among drivers?..Yeh right!
How old are you? You think fiddling it is “beating the system”? I think the whole thing is a scam, a cash cow and a job creation scheme, it’s a waste of time and money and having done four modules, I have learned nothing.
However, fiddles like this are going to lead to huge problems.
For example:
Driver gets bent card, driver is involved in fatal accident, insurance company refuses to pay because driver is not qualified to drive vehicle, driver goes to jail, life changes beyond all recognition.
Insurance companies have (especially over the last ten or twenty years) become frighteningly powerful. That is another debate in itself, but don’t kid yourself that they won’t find out.
So don’t do it then! If others get caught thats their problem, not yours’
…How old are you??
robroy:
So don’t do it then! If others get caught thats their problem, not yours’
…How old are you??
It is my problem, because every time some gas meter bandit gets caught for a stupid fraud like this, the insurance companies/government/authorities use it as a great excuse to exert even more control and influence over my life and yours. Can you not see that?
Scanner:
robroy:
So don’t do it then! If others get caught thats their problem, not yours’
…How old are you??It is my problem, because every time some gas meter bandit gets caught for a stupid fraud like this, the insurance companies/government/authorities use it as a great excuse to exert even more control and influence over my life and yours. Can you not see that?
For a man who displays such infinite wisdom as you do, I would have thought that such naivety to think that the governing bodies would need any type of excuse or prompting to increase control and influence, would not be one of your weaknesses, how old are you.
robroy:
Scanner:
robroy:
So don’t do it then! If others get caught thats their problem, not yours’
…How old are you??It is my problem, because every time some gas meter bandit gets caught for a stupid fraud like this, the insurance companies/government/authorities use it as a great excuse to exert even more control and influence over my life and yours. Can you not see that?
For a man who displays such infinite wisdom as you do, I would have thought that such naivety to think that the governing bodies would need any type of excuse or prompting to increase control and influence, would not be one of your weaknesses, how old are you.
They don’t need an excuse, they need legitimacy. Every mug they catch that makes a good red-top headline legitimises the next step towards a 1984-style existence.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
However, fiddles like this are going to lead to huge problems.For example:
Driver gets bent card, driver is involved in fatal accident, insurance company refuses to pay because driver is not qualified to drive vehicle, driver goes to jail, life changes beyond all recognition.
Insurance companies have (especially over the last ten or twenty years) become frighteningly powerful. That is another debate in itself, but don’t kid yourself that they won’t find out.
How on earth is an insurance company going to know a driver got a CPCQ card without spending 35 hours on the course 
This thread was started by a trainer hoping to get evidence against other training companies, why else would he be asking people to grass on other training companies.
If Peter Smythe or any other trainer wants to spend their time trying to ensure drivers cannot save money by partly avoiding the DCPC scam that’s up-to them, obviously they have a financial interest in doing so.
However it should be remembered that trainers hope to make financial gain from the DCPC but that financial gain comes directly from the pockets of drivers and transport companies.
tachograph:
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
However, fiddles like this are going to lead to huge problems.For example:
Driver gets bent card, driver is involved in fatal accident, insurance company refuses to pay because driver is not qualified to drive vehicle, driver goes to jail, life changes beyond all recognition.
Insurance companies have (especially over the last ten or twenty years) become frighteningly powerful. That is another debate in itself, but don’t kid yourself that they won’t find out.
How on earth is an insurance company going to know a driver got a CPCQ card without spending 35 hours on the course
This thread was started by a trainer hoping to get evidence against other training companies, why else would he be asking people to grass on other training companies.
If Peter Smythe or any other trainer wants to spend their time trying to ensure drivers cannot save money by partly avoiding the DCPC scam that’s up-to them, obviously they have a financial interest in doing so.
However it should be remembered that trainers hope to make financial gain from the DCPC but that financial gain comes directly from the pockets of drivers and transport companies.
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
Scanner:
Scanner:
the insurance companies/government/authorities use it as a great excuse to exert even more control and influence over my life and yours. Can you not see that?They don’t need an excuse, they need legitimacy.
You appear to be contradicting yourself now.