Scanner:
the insurance companies/government/authorities use it as a great excuse to exert even more control and influence over my life and yours. Can you not see that?
They don’t need an excuse, they need legitimacy.
You appear to be contradicting yourself now.
Okay, I’ll make it easy for you.
The insurance company wants more control. The excuse they use is they suspect people are fiddling the system. The fact that people are, legitimises their excuse/reason/justification for doing so.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
You can think up any kind of fatal accident, bus load of kids, or any other high impact scenario to add fuel to your argument, here is a less dramatic one for you, if I pay you as a Dcpc instructor for a genuine card without having to sit through hours of b.s…you keep your gob shut and I do the same, and no wise arsed self righteous type that does not approve informs the authorities’ because he knows nothing about it, how the f are they going to find out.-------and to answer your original patronizing question 55yrs old.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
You can think up any kind of fatal accident, bus load of kids, or any other high impact scenario to add fuel to your argument, here is a less dramatic one for you, if I pay you as a Dcpc instructor for a genuine card without having to sit through hours of b.s…you keep your gob shut and I do the same, and no wise arsed self righteous type that does not approve informs the authorities’ because he knows nothing about it, how the f are they going to find out.-------and to answer your original patronizing question 55yrs old.
I’m not thinking them up, serious accidents happen all the time.
The trouble with your scenario is it depends on two things that never work:
People keeping their mouths shut and people not falling out. What are the chances of everybody involved doing both of these for the rest of their lives?
I’m shocked that somebody seventeen years older than me can’t or doesn’t want to see that.
If some bod gives you a chit saying you’ve “done the 7 hours” for their particular module, then how is anyone going to prove you didn’t do it when it’s something like “alighting your vehicle” or “filling in paper tachos” and the like?
So many of the “courses” are telling us how to do something we’ve been doing OK for yonks already. Only ADR,HIAB,MOFFET and such like represent actual new training that gives you a qualification at the end of it I would have thought.
I really can’t see the point of a blue card, other than to deny home-grown drivers the job that ends up going to some immigrant with their wet-ink blue card. A kinda “forcing into early retirement” for many of us too very likely…
Wot about the rest of us with 20 years left before retirement?
Winseer:
If some bod gives you a chit saying you’ve “done the 7 hours” for their particular module, then how is anyone going to prove you didn’t do it when it’s something like “alighting your vehicle” or “filling in paper tachos” and the like?
So many of the “courses” are telling us how to do something we’ve been doing OK for yonks already. Only ADR,HIAB,MOFFET and such like represent actual new training that gives you a qualification at the end of it I would have thought.
I really can’t see the point of a blue card, other than to deny home-grown drivers the job that ends up going to some immigrant with their wet-ink blue card. A kinda “forcing into early retirement” for many of us too very likely…
Wot about the rest of us with 20 years left before retirement?
It’s not a chit though, it goes on a database which ain’t ever getting emptied.
I would say that a big percentage of drivers on the forum are 50yrs plus…and have yrs of experience, going about there daily duties without a care…then some EUknob drops this out…and for what ? its another tax…whats hard to grasp about that ? the biggest fiddle this decade…im so glad with all the bullshine thats come into the job…i dont have to put up with it any longer…i dont envy young blokes coming into this job…dont they have to eat a lot of ■■■■■ before they get to do the job intended ■■?.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
You can think up any kind of fatal accident, bus load of kids, or any other high impact scenario to add fuel to your argument, here is a less dramatic one for you, if I pay you as a Dcpc instructor for a genuine card without having to sit through hours of b.s…you keep your gob shut and I do the same, and no wise arsed self righteous type that does not approve informs the authorities’ because he knows nothing about it, how the f are they going to find out.-------and to answer your original patronizing question 55yrs old.
I’m not thinking them up, serious accidents happen all the time.
The trouble with your scenario is it depends on two things that never work:
People keeping their mouths shut and people not falling out. What are the chances of everybody involved doing both of these for the rest of their lives?
I’m shocked that somebody seventeen years older than me can’t or doesn’t want to see that.
And I’m amazed that someone your age appears to be so subservient to authority because of fear of what might happen.
As for me I have taken risks which have both been successful and unsuccessful, but that’s life.
As for your synopsis of my scenario I have always dealt with like minded people as myself who are capable of keeping their mouths shut. I also avoid dealing with smart arsed know it all types. On reflection, maybe using you as an example in said scenario may have been a lapse.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
You can think up any kind of fatal accident, bus load of kids, or any other high impact scenario to add fuel to your argument, here is a less dramatic one for you, if I pay you as a Dcpc instructor for a genuine card without having to sit through hours of b.s…you keep your gob shut and I do the same, and no wise arsed self righteous type that does not approve informs the authorities’ because he knows nothing about it, how the f are they going to find out.-------and to answer your original patronizing question 55yrs old.
I’m not thinking them up, serious accidents happen all the time.
The trouble with your scenario is it depends on two things that never work:
People keeping their mouths shut and people not falling out. What are the chances of everybody involved doing both of these for the rest of their lives?
I’m shocked that somebody seventeen years older than me can’t or doesn’t want to see that.
And I’m amazed that someone your age appears to be so subservient to authority because of fear of what might happen.
As for me I have taken risks which have both been successful and unsuccessful, but that’s life.
As for your synopsis of my scenario I have always dealt with like minded people as myself who are capable of keeping their mouths shut. I also avoid dealing with smart arsed know it all types. On reflection, maybe using you as an example in said scenario may have been a lapse.
You don’t get it, do you? I’m not being subservient at all, I’m making sure that something trivial doesn’t become something very serious. Surely you’ve heard the expression “choose your battles”?
I don’t give a toss what you think of me, your childish gibes and small-minded approach, I’ve seen many times before. You are the bloke in the waiting room that I walk away from.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
However, fiddles like this are going to lead to huge problems.
For example:
Driver gets bent card, driver is involved in fatal accident, insurance company refuses to pay because driver is not qualified to drive vehicle, driver goes to jail, life changes beyond all recognition.
Insurance companies have (especially over the last ten or twenty years) become frighteningly powerful. That is another debate in itself, but don’t kid yourself that they won’t find out.
How on earth is an insurance company going to know a driver got a CPCQ card without spending 35 hours on the course
This thread was started by a trainer hoping to get evidence against other training companies, why else would he be asking people to grass on other training companies.
If Peter Smythe or any other trainer wants to spend their time trying to ensure drivers cannot save money by partly avoiding the DCPC scam that’s up-to them, obviously they have a financial interest in doing so.
However it should be remembered that trainers hope to make financial gain from the DCPC but that financial gain comes directly from the pockets of drivers and transport companies.
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
Scanner, I agree with you, (the spat with Robroy aside.) the whole course is a waste of time but its a legal requirement.
My brother in law is a senior traffic officer, he investigates accidents…and he would check on details like dcpc I promise. And if one daft little detail annoys him he follows up on it…and it you were daft enough to drive with your digi card when supposedly in training it curtains , then its who else was supposedly there ■■. And on it goes.
They are not stupid …you think his department does not read my posts on here ? and everyone elses !
Its major crime if they are taking £250 per person for months on end… Eventually the truth comes out.
Scanner:
You think fiddling it is “beating the system”?
It’s not beating the system, but it is restricting how much the system will cost you.
Scanner:
However, fiddles like this are going to lead to huge problems.
For example:
Driver gets bent card, driver is involved in fatal accident, insurance company refuses to pay because driver is not qualified to drive vehicle, driver goes to jail, life changes beyond all recognition.
Insurance companies have (especially over the last ten or twenty years) become frighteningly powerful. That is another debate in itself, but don’t kid yourself that they won’t find out.
How on earth is an insurance company going to know a driver got a CPCQ card without spending 35 hours on the course
This thread was started by a trainer hoping to get evidence against other training companies, why else would he be asking people to grass on other training companies.
If Peter Smythe or any other trainer wants to spend their time trying to ensure drivers cannot save money by partly avoiding the DCPC scam that’s up-to them, obviously they have a financial interest in doing so.
However it should be remembered that trainers hope to make financial gain from the DCPC but that financial gain comes directly from the pockets of drivers and transport companies.
They will find out because all of this information is recorded. It’s not hard to catch someone out if they’re lying, insurance firms have thousands of people working for them whose sole purpose is to avoid paying out for claims, it will just become another box to tick on a form to make sure the DCPC training is kosher.
Scanner, I agree with you, (the spat with Robroy aside.) the whole course is a waste of time but its a legal requirement.
My brother in law is a senior traffic officer, he investigates accidents…and he would check on details like dcpc I promise. And if one daft little detail annoys him he follows up on it…and it you were daft enough to drive with your digi card when supposedly in training it curtains , then its who else was supposedly there ■■. And on it goes.
They are not stupid …you think his department does not read my posts on here ? and everyone elses !
Its major crime if they are taking £250 per person for months on end… Eventually the truth comes out.
Thanks. I don’t like spats with people, but it’s a serious issue.
I don’t understand how people think they can get away with stuff like this. Whatever your opinion of the authorities, they’re not stupid enough to spend how ever much this DCPC rubbish cost and not look for a return of some kind, be it in enforcement figures or financial ones.
The daft little detail is always the one that’ll hang you, as I’m sure your brother-in-law will attest to.
Peter Smythe:
I’m not interested in starting a debate about the validity or otherwise of the driver cpc. But I felt I should give a gentle warning. I am becoming more and more aware of driver cpc modules being offered in exchange for cash. In other words, no need to attend the course - just pay your money and sign the register and go home. Some may think this is a clever way of dealing with it - especially as many drivers see no value in it.
BUT, when the trainers in question are caught (and they will be) their registers will be searched and the hours credited could well be cancelled. So, in short, if you take part in this scam, you stand to loose your money and your cpc. So you wont be able to work, potentially, until you’ve paid again and actually done the training.
If anyone has further information about these scams I’d be interested to hear.
All the best, Pete
Whats up Peter■■? You losing business to people offering tickets for brown envelopes■■?
NOBODY will be stupid enough to disclose where and how they got the CPC done on a non attendance basis, especially to a DCPC Trainer with a grudge…
If anyone offered me a card for cash, tell me where to go and I will be queued up patiently in the morning…
It is all ZB, I have done 3 of these ZB Courses, 1st Local Chap - Learned the course was full of ZB and inaccuracies
2nd Course - Another Local Company - Learned the trainer didnt have a clue and nearly got thrown out for being ‘disruptive’ by pointing out all the wrong information
3rd Course - run by the RHA, MOST information correct but boring as ZB - got to thee stage that youtube videos were shown as there was nothing else to talk about
Out of all 3 courses I have only learned one thing - THE DRIVER CPC IS A SCAM!!!
Allowing ■■■■■■ trainers that havent got a clue to make loads of cash from drivers that are forced into the course
trubster:
If anyone offered me a card for cash, tell me where to go and I will be queued up patiently in the morning…
It is all ZB, I have done 3 of these ZB Courses, 1st Local Chap - Learned the course was full of ZB and inaccuracies
2nd Course - Another Local Company - Learned the trainer didnt have a clue and nearly got thrown out for being ‘disruptive’ by pointing out all the wrong information
3rd Course - run by the RHA, MOST information correct but boring as ZB - got to thee stage that youtube videos were shown as there was nothing else to talk about
Out of all 3 courses I have only learned one thing - THE DRIVER CPC IS A SCAM!!!
Allowing [zb] trainers that havent got a clue to make loads of cash from drivers that are forced into the course
My experience of the courses have been much the same as yours and yes I agree it’s a scam.
Trouble is, it’s a legal scam that we have no choice but to comply with in order to do our jobs.
Whats up Peter■■? You losing business to people offering tickets for brown envelopes■■?
NOBODY will be stupid enough to disclose where and how they got the CPC done on a non attendance basis, especially to a DCPC Trainer with a grudge…
Nothing’s up! Yes, I’m losing business to the crooks - but I couldn’t cope with the extra work anyway. So that’s not an issue. Nobdy has come up with names - and I withdraw my request for information. I already know of 3 trainers in the county who are in this scam. I have no grudge. Anyone who knows me would know that I don’t do grudges. But I do play by the rules.
My dilemma is whether or not to mention these “trainers” to the powers that be, let them investigate and then drivers will end up in serious do do. Or do I keep quiet to protect my fellow drivers but the scammers make money out of criminal activity.
I am a very trusting, old fashioned, simple soul. I started this thread to try and warn drivers about the risk they could be running by getting involved. But it seems that it’s almost considered a good sport to try and get around attending. I have no ulterior motive - too old for them!
I totally agree with many of the comments regarding the quality of the training on offer. It’s high time more trainers were removed from the register (it’s started) and high standards enforced. We have had more audit visits than a few, and we get comments about the course not running strictly to it’s timetable or the room being a bit warm. We have never had a critisism of the course content or delivery.
I’ve had to travel over from Northern Ireland, staying with some family for the week to start my DCPC course tomorrow at a place in the south of England. I haven’t done one single part of it yet so I’m doing the whole 5 days this week. I also hold a PSV licence so the DCPC has to be done by next month. Not happy about having to do it to be honest, it’s costing a week off work and a grand total of £400 !!! …not bad for ++20years experience.
I spoke to a really miserable, unhelpful person on the phone at the training place but with limited choices ended paying the £100 deposit about six weeks ago and two weeks ago paid the other £300. To rub salt in the wound I recieved a nasty letter yesterday from a debt collection agency acting on behalf of the training school threatening me with all sorts of demands/ legal/ court/ action stating I still owed the £300 !!! To say I was f***ing annoyed was an understatement. Being a Saturday I called the training place but obviously no reply but I did manage to contact the eejit from the debt collectors and put him straight …cheeky ■■■■■■■■ !!!
Got my bank statements ready for the morning, proof of payment and I’ll be setting a few things straight when I get there and see what they’ve got to say for themselves. My ADR is up for renewal soon but I certainly won’t be bothering my hole with this bunch of f***in clowns !!!
Scanner:
You don’t get it, '"do you? I’m not being subservient at all, I’m making sure that something trivial doesn’t become something very serious. Surely you’ve heard the expression “choose your battles”?
I don’t give a toss what you think of me, your childish gibes and small-minded approach, I’ve seen many times before. You are the bloke in the waiting room that I walk away from.
Surely you’ve heard the expression Pot calling kettle black, you ask me how old I am, say let me make it simple for you, and go onto make other beligerent patronizing comments, then say I am small minded and childish don’t worry about the waiting room, as you are the type of bloke I avoid anyway, so no need to walk away from me. Let,s just agree to disagree and leave it at that, or do you find that childish also.
Peter, how much will you charge me to turn up and sleep in the corner?
As you are aware, this fantastic idea (DCPC) only requires me to attend, I am happy to turn up and have my daily rest in the corner of your training room
As you are aware, this fantastic idea (DCPC) only requires me to attend, I am happy to turn up and have my daily rest in the corner of your training room
Perhaps YOU need to be aware that if anyone “sleeps in the corner” they are deemed not to have attended and the registration for that day is null and void.
As you are aware, this fantastic idea (DCPC) only requires me to attend, I am happy to turn up and have my daily rest in the corner of your training room
Perhaps YOU need to be aware that if anyone “sleeps in the corner” they are deemed not to have attended and the registration for that day is null and void.
But, FYI, £80.75 per day. But stay awake!!
Pete
£80.75 a day is EXTORTION, this is the reason why you are upset about losing business… even other local companies are about £40-55 a course
Also Pete - the only requirement is to attend, you can not fail someone for sleeping - if a polish person turned up without understanding a word of the ■■■■ coming out of trainers mouth, he can not fail
…not bad for ++20years experience.
