Clap hands in applause for our wonderful oh so efficient and well prepared authorities.
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Actually a van driver but it doesn’t really make any difference.
Franglais: I have no beef with Robroy. 
but if that is your opininon of me then I’d very much like to meet Mess Sewer macron, a slap round the face with a wet fish springs to mind as appropriate.
Franglais:
Few years back I was one of many trucks heading for Spain when they had a transport strike. Border was closed.
We were taken off main roads and parked at the airfield at Carcassonne. The next day the local council sent a couple of mini buses and ferried us to a football ground to use the showers. Then we had the chance of free transport to a local Routiers restaurant. Food wasn`t free of course, but there was free transport to town was so shopping could be done.
No one was bothered about finger pointing or trying pass the blame around. I was one of many just transiting France. Nowt to do with them.
The trucks in Dover are mostly those servicing British industry and supplying British shops. Yes, the usual suspects will shout about how they are stealing our work etc etc…point the finger elsewhere etc etc…
But considering we were meant to have a plan in place for Brexit it looks like a very poor show to me, and the attitude shown to our fellow drivers is awful.
Or maybe the French knew or sussed a plan was not really in place, so nows the time to embarrass the UK Government as a last minute gesture of ‘‘We’ll teach you to embarrass our beloved EU’’ …(btw I do agree the UK reaction was a bit of a cluster ■■■■, and could have been at least attempted to have been dealt with a bit better, but how far could they have went with situations so much against them)
However, your incessant anti Boris, anti Govt attitude makes this a ‘Damned if he does/damned if he doesn’t’ scenario. 
(I ain’t a big fan of the Govt either btw, despite what you may think…or ANY politicians tbh)
If your experience of being stranded, and how it was dealt with (full marks to them for it btw) was replicated on this occasion you’d be by now playing your ‘Covid card’ against them. 
Comments like…
‘‘No social distancing of busing out 10000 people’’‘. 
Many of them not equipped with masks’’
‘‘Thiink of the spreading aspect’’
‘‘How many have got it already’’ ■■ (0.2% as it turned out )
And even if they did manage to muster up a fleet of God knows how many buses, to cater for this vast amount of people…where tf would they take them exactly■■?..every ■■■■ where down there is shut for their blanket Tier (whatever tf the number is ) lockdown.
And guess what??
They knew all this, and Christ did they capitalise on it.
As said earlier by somebody, I’d love it if all this came back and bit the French Authorities (and the EU) squarely on their arses.
cav551:
Franglais: I have no beef with Robroy. but if that is your opininon of me then I’d very much like to meet Mess Sewer macron, a slap round the face with a wet fish springs to mind as appropriate.
Boxing day, apart from passing on Christmas prezzies, or boxes is for sports, so is an old highlight:
youtube.com/watch?v=T8XeDvKqI4E
robroy:
Franglais:
Few years back I was one of many trucks heading for Spain when they had a transport strike. Border was closed.
We were taken off main roads and parked at the airfield at Carcassonne. The next day the local council sent a couple of mini buses and ferried us to a football ground to use the showers. Then we had the chance of free transport to a local Routiers restaurant. Food wasn`t free of course, but there was free transport to town was so shopping could be done.
No one was bothered about finger pointing or trying pass the blame around. I was one of many just transiting France. Nowt to do with them.
The trucks in Dover are mostly those servicing British industry and supplying British shops. Yes, the usual suspects will shout about how they are stealing our work etc etc…point the finger elsewhere etc etc…
But considering we were meant to have a plan in place for Brexit it looks like a very poor show to me, and the attitude shown to our fellow drivers is awful.Or maybe the French knew or sussed a plan was not really in place, so nows the time to embarrass the UK Government as a last minute gesture of ‘‘We’ll teach you to embarrass our beloved EU’’ …(btw I do agree the UK reaction was a bit of a cluster [zb], and could have been at least attempted to have been dealt with a bit better, but how far could they have went with situations so much against them)
However, your incessant anti Boris, anti Govt attitude makes this a ‘Damned if he does/damned if he doesn’t’ scenario.
(I ain’t a big fan of the Govt either btw, despite what you may think…or ANY politicians tbh)If your experience of being stranded, and how it was dealt with (full marks to them for it btw) was replicated on this occasion you’d be by now playing your ‘Covid card’ against them.
Comments like…
‘‘No social distancing of busing out 10000 people’’‘.
Many of them not equipped with masks’’
‘‘Thiink of the spreading aspect’’
‘‘How many have got it already’’ ■■And even if they did manage to muster up a fleet of God knows how many buses, to cater for this vast amount of people…where tf would they take them exactly■■?..every [zb] where down there is shut for their blanket Tier (whatever tf the number is ) lockdown.
And guess what??
They knew all this, and Christ did they capitalise on it.As said earlier by somebody, I’d love it if all this came back and bit the French Authorities (and the EU) squarely on their arses.
As a point of principle, I dont much like those who change their stance in order to gain personal advantage, tell lies and fabricate nonsense, sign deals and then try to welch on them, dont have much of a grasp of reality, dont do their job and through incompetence cause the prolonged suffering of others, so yes, I am not a fan of Johnson. I dont point the fact that he is a serial liar and incompetent because I dislike him. I dislike him because he is those things, and repeat my criticism of those faults because he is in a position of power.
If you object to my posts on the subject, why?
If I make factual errors: point them out, show where I am wrong.
If my posts are factually correct, then ask yourself why you object to them?
I do post about COVID and Brexit a lot…I happen to think they are quite important topics worthy of time being spent on them!
Anything I write that is wrong is all there to be checked and corrected by anyone and everyone. No objection from me, that is what forums are about.
Back to topic: If you really think that the UK response to a problem on such a major route was reasonable, say so.
Yes, it would take more a few mini buses and half a dozen bottles of water to fix a massive problem.
BUT it is a major route. The volume of traffic is not unknown. Allegedly plans were already in place for problems. If it wasn`t the border being closed by the French, it could have been something else. And note here IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Be it storms, floods a boat grounding in the harbour entrance or summat else. Our contingency plans failed, and after being told all was ready, that is unacceptable. After being caught out by lack of PPE with COVID, (even after Operation Cygnus!) it shows incompetence.
Lack of funds for emergency services over years, is responsible.
Yes it is a bigger problem than the one I was caught in…but it is a well known bottle neck and the plans for it were lacking.
Franglais:
As a point of principle, I dont much like those who change their stance in order to gain personal advantage, tell lies and fabricate nonsense, sign deals and then try to welch on them, dont have much of a grasp of reality, dont do their job and through incompetence cause the prolonged suffering of others, so yes, I am not a fan of Johnson. I dont point the fact that he is a serial liar and incompetent because I dislike him. I dislike him because he is those things, and repeat my criticism of those faults because he is in a position of power.If you object to my posts on the subject, why?
If I make factual errors: point them out, show where I am wrong.
If my posts are factually correct, then ask yourself why you object to them?I do post about COVID and Brexit a lot…I happen to think they are quite important topics worthy of time being spent on them!
Anything I write that is wrong is all there to be checked and corrected by anyone and everyone. No objection from me, that is what forums are about.Back to topic: If you really think that the UK response to a problem on such a major route was reasonable, say so.
Yes, it would take more a few mini buses and half a dozen bottles of water to fix a massive problem.
BUT it is a major route. The volume of traffic is not unknown. Allegedly plans were already in place for problems. If it wasn`t the border being closed by the French, it could have been something else. And note here IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Be it storms, floods a boat grounding in the harbour entrance or summat else. Our contingency plans failed, and after being told all was ready, that is unacceptable. After being caught out by lack of PPE with COVID, (even after Operation Cygnus!) it shows incompetence.
Lack of funds for emergency services over years, is responsible.
Yes it is a bigger problem than the one I was caught in…but it is a well known bottle neck and the plans for it were lacking.
Wow…where do I start.
Ok I’ll try and address all your points in turn.
The first 2 paragraphs describe and apply to any past or future Govt in the UK, not just the present one…
Even I the most cynical son of a ■■■■■ you could meet was taken in by Tony Blair’s first campaign, his false promises and his nirvanic plan for the country if he got into power…so there you go, I learned a lot about Governments from him,.that made me even more cynical.
I don’t ‘object’ to your posts, it’s just that we are poles apart on a lot of stuff,.I get the impression that you tend to believe a lot of official propaganda on stuff, and not look through all the b/s to firm your OWN opinions on things…if I’ve got you wrong I apologise, but that is the impression you give on the likes of the EU and Covid… you say, you post on them a lot, (I hadn’t noticed btw ) as for them being ‘right or wrong’ that is down to opinion, ie just because an official body of sorts say something is ‘right’ it dies not necessarily mean so.
I’ve already said it was a ■■■■ up,.I accept that and have never tried on here to be an apologist on their behalf. …but wtf do you expect about your ‘major route’ theory, they can not even provide proper facilities for drivers on that ‘major route’ on normal times, let alone in an emergency crisis, I’m sure you’ve been in the job long enough, so I’m surprised it has come as ‘such a shock’ to you.
Yeh of course something similar will occur again as you say, but this is the good old UK, truckers are just a necessary evil who are endured rather than valued and provided for…again you’ve been in the job long enough, wht don’t you get that exactly??
Not just lack of funds in emergency services, more so lack of funds in the road transport industry’s infrastructure.
Does that answer your queries? , (and illustrate our different mindsets and opinions .? )
I reckon franglais is really a brexitier. He keeps up the rhetoric and posting as a remoaner to keep the leavers on their guard and not to become complacent.
robroy:
The first 2 paragraphs describe and apply to any past or future Govt in the UK, not just the present one…
Show me another Gov where the P.M. was shown to be such known repeat liar before he was elected.
Show me another Gov where they tried to push through a law to break an agreement made by thenselves only months before.
Show me a Gov where officials run roughshod over rules but are supported by the PM himself, where ministers are shown to break rules but are not sanctioned.
Where cronies get contracts without supervision, and get extra funds for their constituencies.
Daresay you can find examples of most of these things. Can you find a Gov guilty of ALL of these things, and within the first 12 months too?
No Gov is perfect. This one is truly exceptional.
Accept a ■■■■ up here with this mismanagement of a bad situation, say “Oh, they ae all the same” "We dont expect better", and guess what? Nothing will improve. Let them get away with serving up crap, and youll get more crap.
robroy:
Yeh of course something similar will occur again as you say, but this is the good old UK, truckers are just a necessary evil who are endured rather than valued and provided for…again you’ve been in the job long enough, wht don’t you get that exactly??
Not just lack of funds in emergency services, more so lack of funds in the road transport industry’s infrastructure.
So, what are you saying “Roll over and accept it”?
You consistently criticise the French (those who have no reason to answer to you) but dont seem to do the same with your own Gov: exactly those who should be listening to you and serving you. No, I dont get it.
robroy:
.I get the impression that you tend to believe a lot of official propaganda on stuff, and not look through all the b/s to firm your OWN opinions on things…
Look again at what I post. I try to post facts, with links to their sources.
How on earth can you say I believe “Official propaganda” and say I`m always “criticising the Gov”?
Odd days:
I reckon franglais is really a brexitier. He keeps up the rhetoric and posting as a remoaner to keep the leavers on their guard and not to become complacent.
What!
I`ve been outed !
Franglais:
robroy:
The first 2 paragraphs describe and apply to any past or future Govt in the UK, not just the present one…Show me another Gov where the P.M. was shown to be such known repeat liar before he was elected.
Show me another Gov where they tried to push through a law to break an agreement made by thenselves only months before.
Show me a Gov where officials run roughshod over rules but are supported by the PM himself, where ministers are shown to break rules but are not sanctioned.
Where cronies get contracts without supervision, and get extra funds for their constituencies.Daresay you can find examples of most of these things. Can you find a Gov guilty of ALL of these things, and within the first 12 months too?
No Gov is perfect. This one is truly exceptional.Accept a ■■■■ up here with this mismanagement of a bad situation, say “Oh, they ae all the same” "We don
t expect better", and guess what? Nothing will improve. Let them get away with serving up crap, and youll get more crap.robroy:
Yeh of course something similar will occur again as you say, but this is the good old UK, truckers are just a necessary evil who are endured rather than valued and provided for…again you’ve been in the job long enough, wht don’t you get that exactly??
Not just lack of funds in emergency services, more so lack of funds in the road transport industry’s infrastructure.So, what are you saying “Roll over and accept it”?
You consistently criticise the French (those who have no reason to answer to you) but don
t seem to do the same with your own Gov: exactly those who should be listening to you and serving you. No, I dont get it.robroy:
.I get the impression that you tend to believe a lot of official propaganda on stuff, and not look through all the b/s to firm your OWN opinions on things…Look again at what I post. I try to post facts, with links to their sources.
How on earth can you say I believe “Official propaganda” and say I`m always “criticising the Gov”?
If I could be bothered to do a Carryfastesque Google search,.and pretend I am an expert on past Govt’s performances and policies, I would… but honestly I simply can’t be arsed.
I’m just astute enough to know that all Govts (at least the ones I’ve grown up with) are a waste of ■■■■ time,.and are in it for themselves and own wellbeing…not mine or yours.
If you reckon this one is a lot worse than others,.then so be it, that is your opinion.
Are you really so naive to think that we as voters can make a difference? I’ve quoted Roger Daltrey a couple of times on here that sums that theory up…‘‘Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss’’ whatever colour rosette he wears, my Blair example sums that up, ie promise the world and deliver ■■■■ all.
Since I voted for him in 96, he is now a multi millionaire, I still drive a ■■■■ truck.
Is that enough for you to stop accusing me of not criticising the Govt, (despite the fact that I regularly DO )
As for your ‘roll over and accept things’ crack on conditions, terms,.and the state of this ■■■■ ed up industry .(now I KNOW you’re winding me up personally btw .) …
As I’ve said before ■■■■ countless times on here, NOBODY in this job, or at least very few, has the balls to stand up together as a group (or dare I say the dreaded U word, ‘Union’) so the only way you can improve things is to try and do so for yourself, ie…look after numero uno, there is NO alternative in this job to that option until drivers wake up and change their stance.
Need to get away from arguing with you for a while mate .I’ve got a couple of games to watch,.a couple of cans to drink,.and a sofa to lie on…before I break your (and Boris’s) beloved Covid rules … shock horror probe …and nip around to my daughters tonight for a few drinks and a buffet, …as I stand more chance of catching it (as does she,) when I am doing my unrestricted by Covid week’s work…note the inconsistency on that point btw. for you to chew over
How irresponsible am I eh?
robroy:
(now I KNOW you’re winding me up personally btw .)
youtube.com/watch?v=67dIBv8DUbk
robroy:
Need to get away from arguing for a while,.I’ve got a couple of games to watch,.a couple of cans to drink,.and a sofa to lie in…before I break your (and Boris’s) beloved Covid rules … shock horror probe …and nip around to my daughters for a few drinks and a buffet, as I stand more chance of f catching it as does she, when I am doing my unrestricted by Covid week’s work…note the inconsistency on that point btw.
How irresponsible am I eh?
Enjoy your day! I`ve a similarly hectic schelude awaitng me.
Franglais:
robroy:
It’s all about one of your own favourite subjects… (Brexit ) and the unacceotance and displeasure felt, of a democratic vote, using another of your favourite subjects, (Covid,) as a very convenient excuse to justify it…but again I think you already know that.Yeah, sure it is all about Brexit.
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Scroll up and see what CAV551 says.
Tell him he is a “Remaoner”, a Francophile or whatever…
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I`ll call the ambulance for you now.
Seriously?
You’re pretending it isn’t?
Call a spade a spade- and a liar a liar.
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Shout about Boris and his MP`s as much as you like, remember if it was not Boris who won the election it would have been “On the fence” Steptoe Jezza What sort of mess would the country be in,with Brexit and Covid in his first term I shudder at the thought
^^^ if past history is anything to go by Corbyn would’ve shaken hands with Covid, called it a “glorious “ freedom fighter and would’ve posed for numerous photo opportunities with it.
May I ask a question of you franglais?
Do you live and work in GB, and pay GB tax?
If yes then please carry on with your pages of waffle,that winseer/Cf can be proud of, if you don’t stop moaning about something that doesn’t concern you,and worry about what is happening in your own village…
biggriffin:
May I ask a question of you franglais?
Do you live and work in GB, and pay GB tax?
If yes then please carry on with your pages of waffle,that winseer/Cf can be proud of, if you don’t stop moaning about something that doesn’t concern you,and worry about what is happening in your own village…
I don`t really feel the need to ask anyone else about their personal position when viewing their comments.
I judge them by their own intrinsic value and truth.
It seems that you dont like my posts? If I tell you I have been decades driving for UK companies, paying full PAYE etc does that make them any more palatable? Well, swallow this: I dont care whether or not you pay tax or avoid/evade it. If you post good stuff* I`ll read it, whether or not it agrees with my view point hardly matters, there are some good posters on this site with very different views to mine.
*I await such a day eagerly.
When you say have been is that in the past, or I guess what was inferred is are you employed in uk now at present and paying paye uk tax or living somewhere else. Other wise it sounds a bit like a answer a politician would say, open ended and not actually an answer.
Odd days:
When you say have been is that in the past, or I guess what was inferred is are you employed in uk now at present and paying paye uk tax or living somewhere else. Other wise it sounds a bit like a answer a politician would say, open ended and not actually an answer.
I am now, Dec 2020, fully UK domiciled, employed, PAYE, pension, NI, etc etc etc…clear? That will be changing soon though.
I have for a long time been intending to retire to warmer climes, ie France.
So long as we have had freedom of movement I planned on taking advantage of that, and still intend to do so. I think its a crying shame that the UK has voted against that freedom for new students, workers and retirees. Such a pity that the younger generation wont have the opportunity we have had.
Franglais:
Odd days:
When you say have been is that in the past, or I guess what was inferred is are you employed in uk now at present and paying paye uk tax or living somewhere else. Other wise it sounds a bit like a answer a politician would say, open ended and not actually an answer.I am now, Dec 2020, fully UK domiciled, employed, PAYE, pension, NI, etc etc etc…clear? That will be changing soon though.
I have for a long time been intending to retire to warmer climes, ie France.
So long as we have had freedom of movement I planned on taking advantage of that, and still intend to do so. I think its a crying shame that the UK has voted against that freedom for new students, workers and retirees. Such a pity that the younger generation wont have the opportunity we have had.
Thing is the disadvantages (which were increasing in terms of the EU’s intentions and agenda) outweighed the advantages, and those few advantages became too high a price to pay because of this.
robroy:
Franglais:
Odd days:
When you say have been is that in the past, or I guess what was inferred is are you employed in uk now at present and paying paye uk tax or living somewhere else. Other wise it sounds a bit like a answer a politician would say, open ended and not actually an answer.I am now, Dec 2020, fully UK domiciled, employed, PAYE, pension, NI, etc etc etc…clear? That will be changing soon though.
I have for a long time been intending to retire to warmer climes, ie France.
So long as we have had freedom of movement I planned on taking advantage of that, and still intend to do so. I think its a crying shame that the UK has voted against that freedom for new students, workers and retirees. Such a pity that the younger generation wont have the opportunity we have had.Thing is the disadvantages (which were increasing in terms of the EU’s intentions and agenda) outweighed the advantages, and those few advantages became too high a price to pay because of this.
Well, where do I start to reply to that?
Ill do you all a favour, I wont.
If anyone wants to revert to the UK`s planning for interruptions in the transport network, be my guest.
Franglais:
biggriffin:
May I ask a question of you franglais?
Do you live and work in GB, and pay GB tax?
If yes then please carry on with your pages of waffle,that winseer/Cf can be proud of, if you don’t stop moaning about something that doesn’t concern you,and worry about what is happening in your own village…I don`t really feel the need to ask anyone else about their personal position when viewing their comments.
I judge them by their own intrinsic value and truth.It seems that you don
t like my posts? If I tell you I have been decades driving for UK companies, paying full PAYE etc does that make them any more palatable? Well, swallow this: I dont care whether or not you pay tax or avoid/evade it. If you post good stuff* I`ll read it, whether or not it agrees with my view point hardly matters, there are some good posters on this site with very different views to mine.*I await such a day eagerly.
Intrinsic value?
Enhanced so much more if you’re a tax paying resident rather than an expat (immigrant / emigrant whichever you prefer) who decided to leave this great nation whilst insisting on the right to lecture us on what legal code we choose to abide by.
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