Since starting this thread i have heard that the house of lords has turfed out the idea of ID cards. They turned the idea down for many reasons one of which was the spiraling cost to the end user i.e. US.
If the general public are not prepared to pay best part of £100 for a useless piece of plastic then why the hell should i?? I have no problem with the idea of modernising the tacho system its just the idea that we should have to face the cost!!
I can see that in three years time i will have to fork out £50 for a new passport £100+ for an id card £50+ for a tacho card £30+ for a new drivers licence (as im sure they will change that again) CPC training course fee’s
If none of these changes where to take place i would hae to pay nowt!
All of it apart for the CPC/OL training could all be incorporated into one. If the general car driving public would have to use these cards and have there cars restricted to 70mph then there would be anarchy. So i think we face enough bum shafting as it is dont you?
P.s. what do the upper middle class union leaders say on this?
scanny77:
i certainly hope so since i dont qualify for a card at the moment anyway and i wont be til i am settled in Scotland
How do you mean you don’t qualify for a card? Is that a company thing because all you need to apply for a drivers card is valid drivers licence with the correct entitlement. Company cards can be issued to anyone in the company, they don’t even have to hold a driving licence of any sort.
Hopefully whoever you work for in Scotland will see the light and pay for your card.
i dont have a photocard licence and as far as i am aware, they are required for the digital tacho card. once i have my own house i will be changing the address on my licence and getting a photocard one while im at it. i still have the licence i was given back in 96. its still in one piece but only just
You do not actually need a photo card licence Richie, the form D777B has two sections for completion, one for PC licences and one for the paper type or the old booklet type. All that is required is that you hold a C+E, a photo for the digi-card and the fee.
CM:
You do not actually need a photo card licence Richie, the form D777B has two sections for completion, one for PC licences and one for the paper type or the old booklet type. All that is required is that you hold a C+E, a photo for the digi-card and the fee.
maybe it changed or my memory is a little inaccurate. i thought commercial motor said something about them only being available to drivers with a photo licence. then again, im sure i read that early last year so who knows what has changed? same old story, the final draft is a shadow of the idea that was initially released
Either way, the lack of a photocard licence doesn’t mean you’re “not eligible” for a smartcard…it just means that it’ll cost you more time, money and hassle to get one.
scanny77:
i dont have a photocard licence and as far as i am aware, they are required for the digital tacho card.
Straight from the horses mouth scanny - the VOSA site. (Please note nice VOSA person I am in no way implying you are a horse )
Do I have to have a photocard drivers’ licence?
Your driver card has to have a photograph and digitised signature on it. If you are a photocard licence holder DVLA will use your photograph and signature you have already provided for your driving licence. All you will need to do is complete an application form. If you are not then with the completed application form you will need to send in a photograph and supporting ID documents [passport etc] to get your smart card issued.
Note:
You can use this opportunity to exchange your paper licence for a photographic version. You will need to complete a driving licence application form D1 [available as above and also from Post Offices] enclosing a photograph, identity documents, driving licence and the correct fee. Please post both applications in one envelope to the DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1ST.
im think i will be killing a whole flock of birds with one stone
just one concern, supporting documents? i dont have a passport or birth certificate (which was in my passport last time i saw it) so will i be visiting the registrars office with some money again?
As Neil quite rightly said it states your Passport is acceptable but I do not recall it mentioning Birth Certificates. I suspect it may be because the Passport provided photographic verification of the pic they ask you send in with the application.
CM:
As Neil quite rightly said it states your Passport is acceptable but I do not recall it mentioning Birth Certificates. I suspect it may be because the Passport provided photographic verification of the pic they ask you send in with the application.
i just assumed a birth certificate would be accepted. it usually is by anyone who requires a formal id check. at the moment, i dont have anything with my picture on it. i dont even have a company id card yet
I believe then Richie, that you will have to get someone to sign that the picture you supply with your licence application is a true likeness and they have known you for x amount of years. The same way you need to do with a passport application if you can’t produce and old one or it is your first application.
I don’t have a copy of my birth certificate, what can I do?
A replacement birth certificate may be obtained from the local registrar in the district where you were born or alternatively from The Registrar General, General Register Office, Smedley Hydro, Trafalgar Road, Southport, Merseyside, PR8 2HH. There will be a fee payable for the document.
Section 10 - (Passport) Countersignature
If the application requires countersigning, the application form must be completed before it is countersigned. A countersignature is usually only needed if the application is for a first passport or to replace a lost, stolen or missing passport. A countersignature may be needed if the renewal or extension of a passport and the appearance of the holder has changed considerably, for example if the passport was issued when they were a small child.
The countersignatory must hold a current British or Irish passport, and be willing to provide their passport number in the relevant space in section 10.
ACCEPTABLE COUNTERSIGNATURES
Accountant
Articled Clerk of a Limited Company
Assurance Agent of Recognised Company
Bank/Building Society Official
Barrister
Broker
Chairman/Director of Limited Company
Chemist
Chiropodist
Christian Science Practitioner
Commissioner of Oaths
Councillor: Local or County
Civil Servant (permanent)
Dentist
Engineer (with professional Qualifications)
Fire Service Official
Funeral Director
Insurance agent (full time) of a recognised Company
Journalist
Justice of the Peace
Legal Secretary (members and fellows of the Institute of legal secretaries)
Local Government Officer
Manager/Personnel Officer (of Limited Company)
Member of Parliament
Merchant Navy Officer
Minister of a recognised religion
Nurse (SRN and SEN)
Officer of the armed services (Active or Retired)
Optician
Person with Honours (eg OBE MBE etc)
Photographer (Professional)
Police Officer
Post Office Official
President/Secretary of a recognised organisation
Salvation Army Officer
Social Worker
Solicitor
Surveyor
Teacher, Lecturer
Trade Union Officer
Travel Agency (Qualified)
Valuers and auctioneers (fellow and associate members of the incorporated society)
Warrant officers and Chief Petty Officers
Or persons of similar standing to the above, working or retired, are acceptable as countersignatories.
a local business person or shopkeeper;
a librarian
a professionally qualified person, for example, a lawyer, teacher or engineer;
a police officer
a bank or building society officer;
a civil servant
a minister of religion
a magistrate; and
A local councillor or an MP (AM, MEP and MSP).
scanny77:
why a librarian though? i can just about get my head round the others but i dont see what is so special about librarians. can anyone explain that one?
it all seems a bit of a strange system to me, why anyone on those lists signatures is any better than anyone not on the list surely anyone who has known you for a couple of years, and has their own photo id, could sign to identify you!
like
Firearms Referees
Referee forms should be given to two people who have known you for at least two years. Members of your immediate family, registered firearms dealers, serving police officers or police employees cannot act as referees. If your application relates to target shooting, at least one referee must be either the club secretary, chairperson or treasurer. All referees must be of good character and when they have completed the form, must return it direct to the Firearms Licensing Department.
scanny77:
stop paying all their taxes and fines etc
I thought they were the same thing
Searched and searched ‘l’ for lorry driver, ‘t’ for truck driver and transport driver, even ‘c’ for chauffeur routier or conducteur , without success.
Nice to know who are the ‘responsible’ members of society .
BTW, if I wanted one (a smart card that is), would I have to apply for a French one, and if so is that because I am a French resident or because I have a French licence - or both?
Rikki and I are quite often called upon to sign photos off for friends, since we’re both Company Directors. So no, there is no rhyme or reason whatsoever!
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surely anyone who has known you for a couple of years, and has their own photo id, could sign to identify you!
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