DCPC Who is going to wait

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Rob K:
There is already a huge oversupply of DCPC trainers and new ones are appearing on the scene every passing day, so by the time August 2014 comes along they’ll all be undercutting each other to get your business = DCPC for £2.50 a module (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration :wink: , but worst case scenario I highly doubt the courses will cost any more than they are currently).

Whilst there are new training providers being added to the list this isn’t exactly large numbers - there are just as many no longer delivering training - more than likely gone bust already due to the initial outlay and then lack of customers.

In my opinion, having looked at the figures available, I don’t think there are enough training providers to complete the job by the deadline. However - that is based on there being 800,000 drivers (including PCV) that need the DQC. Obviously by the time all the trucknet members that aren’t going to do it are dedcuted that probably only leaves 3 people gonna get it done :wink:

Rob K:
It’s still over a year and a half away and a lot can change in that time. I’m hoping that I won’t need it, but regardless I’ll still be sitting on the fence until at least summer 2014 before considering doing something about it.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that this site was full of threads about how the industry would fall flat on its face with the introduction of the digi tacho cards as no drivers would be paying for one and the country would grind to a halt. Of course that never happened as 99.9% of drivers talk a good story but don’t have the bollox to do it. I predict more of the same with the DCPC.

Couldn’t agree more :smiley:

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shep532:
In my opinion, having looked at the figures available, I don’t think there are enough training providers to complete the job by the deadline. However - that is based on there being 800,000 drivers (including PCV) that need the DQC.

I’ve no idea whether or not that figure is accurate, but whatever the figure is a large proportion of them will be getting in-house training and will not be relying on private trainers.

Having said that I don’t know the number of drivers who will get in-house training either, but I’d bet money it’s a significant proportion.

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Essexboy:
I have mine all paid for by 3663. Even if they hadn’t of paid for it I would have coughed up for it, as I enjoy driving for a living and if I need dcpc to drive then so be it.
I understand money is tight for a lot of people but…if you still want to drive trucks you will have to do it.

Runs for cover :wink:

And me…isn’t it a nice feeling, working for that company that many people see as slave drivers, yet put each and every one of it’s drivers through it…everyone will want to join us now, knowing just that!!

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tachograph:
I don’t know the number of drivers who will get in-house training either, but I’d bet money it’s a significant proportion.

About 50% from a fairly significant poll I saw about a year or so ago

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dieseldave:
When the first analogue tachos were being installed in trucks, all the scaremongering talk was about “the spy in the cab” and all the hard men were talking (loudly :unamused: ) about going on strike and/or hanging their keys up for good.

The reality of it was that very few of them did anything other than just gob off about it, so not that much has changed in all those years.

and that just about sums up the haulage game as far as drivers are concerned,if we ALL stuck together and said NO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH wed would not be in the mess we are in now. :exclamation:

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ROG:

tachograph:
I don’t know the number of drivers who will get in-house training either, but I’d bet money it’s a significant proportion.

About 50% from a fairly significant poll I saw about a year or so ago

Thanks, that’s even more than I thought it would be.

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hoss1960:
and that just about sums up the haulage game as far as drivers are concerned,if we ALL stuck together and said NO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH wed would not be in the mess we are in now. :exclamation:

WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER LIKE THE FRENCH!

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Rob K:
they’re getting desperate for business and no-one’s taking up their “offers” so in a desperate attempt to drum up some business they’re telling anyone who’ll listen that the course will cost eleventy billion thousand pounds in 2014. I, however, beg to differ. There is already a huge oversupply of DCPC trainers and new ones are appearing on the scene every passing day, so by the time August 2014 comes along they’ll all be undercutting each other to get your business

In simple business terms some trainers probably are desperate for business right now. they all need a wage every week just like drivers do. Without people attending the courses they aren’t getting any money.

Yes prices are being lowered to try to tempt people onto courses - this makes sound business sense. No customers at a high price can’t be as good as some customers at a lower price - but prices will have to go up at some point for them to stay in business. They all have overheads that need paying. A lot are still running courses with 1 or 2 attending - they can’t keep that up.

Plus - once the deadline arrives and drivers are taken off the road - that is when some training providers will cash in and charge extortionate prices to those desperate to get the DQC and get back on the road. Those companies that have left it too late and have pressing legal problems from VOSA and the TC will probably find they will be paying more than they are now.

September 2013 will be the time to see what happens in the PCV world. if the authorities do as they say it should wake the haulage/goods industry up a bit.

it is very easy to have a go at trainers but we as trainers didn’t invent the scheme - the Government did that. I think it much better that people like me and UGT are delivering the training to a reasonable standard (and at a reasonable rate) than half of these consortiums that allow postmen and college lecturers to deliver it. The DCPC scheme is here, it’s not going to go away and somebody has to deliver it so who would you rather did it? Someone who has some kind of a clue or someone who doesn’t have any idea?

I’ve said it before and no doubt I’ll say it again - if you don’t want to do the DCPC then don’t - simple. meanwhile myself, UGT and others have the qualifications, experience and approval to supply it if you want it. Myself and the trainers I would recommend (Such as UGT) have held trainer qualifications and been delivering training for years before DCPC came about. I can’t say that about all current DCPC trainers though. Unfortunately - if business doesn’t pick up some of these ‘decent’ trainers will simply be out of business and it’ll be the ex-postmen, NVQ assessors and college lecturers that spring up to take their place.

I stand by to be verbally attacked … seems to be the way it works on here :wink:

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shep532:
it is very easy to have a go at trainers but we as trainers didn’t invent the scheme - the Government did that.

Question - without the trainers where would the UK DCPC be now?

My answer is … scrapped

It is the dcpc trainers who made this possible because if none of them signed up to make money out of it then the whole thing would have collapsed

The trainers are the ones backing the Govt and the EU legislators and it is the trainers who have the power to do something about it

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Rob K:
WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER LIKE THE FRENCH!

Who all have a FIMO or FCO, the French equivalent of the DCPC!

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Héraultais:

Rob K:
WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER LIKE THE FRENCH!

Who all have a FIMO or FCO, the French equivalent of the DCPC!

I see you are new here!.. :laughing: Don’t worry, you’ll soon pick up the in-house jokes if you stick around. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I did wonder with your odd smiley!

As a “french” driver I do feel I have to defend our honour :laughing:

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ROG:

shep532:
it is very easy to have a go at trainers but we as trainers didn’t invent the scheme - the Government did that.

Question - without the trainers where would the UK DCPC be now?

My answer is … scrapped

And you’re talking a right load of ■■■■■■■■ there. So the Government set up the DCPC, no trainers register so they just scrap it. There will always be someone will do it because it is a business opportunity.

ROG:
It is the dcpc trainers who made this possible because if none of them signed up to make money out of it then the whole thing would have collapsed

And you really believe that? I can just see it round the meeting room table at the DSA. “Aww crap - there’s only 12 trainers have registered Bob. We’d better close the scheme down. I’ll ring the 12 trainers and tell 'em to forget it, not worth doing. You ring the TC and tell her nobody wanted to do it” “Oh and ring those JAUPT chaps as well - tell 'em their sacked”

ROG:
The trainers are the ones backing the Govt and the EU legislators and it is the trainers who have the power to do something about it

And what power might that be? Close our businesses and ignore a business opportunity? That’s like saying all these drivers should stop driving - afterall the companies are just making money out of them

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Actrosman:

Essexboy:
I have mine all paid for by 3663. Even if they hadn’t of paid for it I would have coughed up for it, as I enjoy driving for a living and if I need dcpc to drive then so be it.
I understand money is tight for a lot of people but…if you still want to drive trucks you will have to do it.

Runs for cover :wink:

And me…isn’t it a nice feeling, working for that company that many people see as slave drivers, yet put each and every one of it’s drivers through it…everyone will want to join us now, knowing just that!!

Haha very true! :laughing:

Which depot do you work for? I run out of Stowmarket suffolk.

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Essexboy:

Actrosman:

Essexboy:
I have mine all paid for by 3663. Even if they hadn’t of paid for it I would have coughed up for it, as I enjoy driving for a living and if I need dcpc to drive then so be it.
I understand money is tight for a lot of people but…if you still want to drive trucks you will have to do it.

Runs for cover :wink:

And me…isn’t it a nice feeling, working for that company that many people see as slave drivers, yet put each and every one of it’s drivers through it…everyone will want to join us now, knowing just that!!

Haha very true! :laughing:

Which depot do you work for? I run out of Stowmarket suffolk.

I was thinking of applying for a job at the Felling depot if one comes up and was wondering if anyone knows if they would expect any DCPC under my belt or do they offer in house training?

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truckerjim:

Essexboy:

Actrosman:

Essexboy:
I have mine all paid for by 3663. Even if they hadn’t of paid for it I would have coughed up for it, as I enjoy driving for a living and if I need dcpc to drive then so be it.
I understand money is tight for a lot of people but…if you still want to drive trucks you will have to do it.

Runs for cover :wink:

And me…isn’t it a nice feeling, working for that company that many people see as slave drivers, yet put each and every one of it’s drivers through it…everyone will want to join us now, knowing just that!!

Haha very true! :laughing:

Which depot do you work for? I run out of Stowmarket suffolk.

I was thinking of applying for a job at the Felling depot if one comes up and was wondering if anyone knows if they would expect any DCPC under my belt or do they offer in house training?

At our place I believe they want you to have done at least 2 modules, every depot is different though.
All training is in house or at a selected depot,ours is done at Harlow depot, we get a company car to go in and free lunch on the company plus all the tea and biscuits you can eat :wink:

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All DHL drivers are getting it in house. Allegedly that’s ten thousand. But don’t know how true that number is, or if its pre or post the yodel sell off.

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ROG:
The trainers are the ones backing the Govt and the EU legislators and it is the trainers who have the power to do something about it

ROG,

I think your point is somewhat misguided.

My answer is prefaced by… this is my own personal opinion as a TN member.

Let’s just remember how this played…

The EU came up with an idea.
The idea went through whatever process there is at the European Parliament.
The EU issued a Directive.
There was a consultation period, so that interested parties could voice their opinions.
The UK Government passed a new law as required by the Directive.

I’m not seeing anything to suggest that the trainers are actually “backing” the Government, in fact just about every trainer I’ve met (and that’s quite a few) has voiced various concerns about the DCPC’s fitness for purpose.

I share some of those concerns, but from my own experiences teaching in classrooms my concerns are:

1.) As an awarding body, JAUPT don’t seem to have a clue about any of the subject matter in the courses for which they are responsible.

2.) (AFAIK and I’ll stand to be corrected.) A provider can register and be approved without an initial inspection, which to me, suggests a gross lack of proper control. They’ll still take the registration fee though.

3.) A course can be submitted for “approval,” but having regard to point #1 above, the process is somewhat pointless.
From a typical submission for course approval… a seven hour course to give drivers a thorough understanding of the regulations and safety aspects of x, y and z.
The person reading that in the JAUPT office has no way of knowing what x, y and z actually are or measuring the accuracy of what’s in front of them, so my question is… how valid is an “it’s approved” decision?
They’ll still take the course approval fee though.

4.) The JAUPT external verifiers I’ve met have admitted that they don’t have knowledge of the subjects they’re verifying, which tends to make their lesson verification rather pointless. However, they do know how to operate a stopwatch to check on lesson duration. They also know how to do an audit on the premises, so that at least there are proper checks on the paperwork and admin.

5.) (AFAIK and I’ll stand to be corrected.) There is no proper and equally enforced JAUPT controlled standard of minimum qualification(s) for DCPC instructors. IMHO, an instructor should have a proper qualification in their chosen subject area, then JAUPT can think about a suitable teaching qualification. The issue here is that many subjects don’t have a measurable knowledge standard, which unfortunately leaves the way open for the wafflers and BS merchants.

Having said the above, I’ve never delivered a course that was solely contrived for the purposes of DCPC, because I prefer to stick to ADR and leave the other DCPC subjects to those braver than me. :wink: :grimacing:

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Tic Toc said the clock, getting nearer and yet farther away, as I said earlier and was misunderstood it will get put back, The germans by default have put it back by having a later date of compliance, although it seems a later start date doesnt add up to a delay to some of the brain surgeons on here!!! :smiley: :smiley: