shytalk:
I would say no to all…
Then I would like to know from the dcpc trainers what they could teach you ?
shytalk:
You just dont GET it do you? stop patronising drivers with your vast knowledge…im not blowing my trumpet on here at every chance i get…ive got a job to do just the same as you BUT just because i dont fall into line and accept your training is my choice your putting yourself about with the other clever … touting for buisness to line your pockets, i quoted ive been a truck driver 28 yrs and your pulling my experience down just because i dont want to pay and wont pay for a DCPC course to keep driving.
Well said mate ! 
shytalk:
You just dont GET it do you? stop patronising drivers with your vast knowledge…im not blowing my trumpet on here at every chance i get…ive got a job to do just the same as you BUT just because i dont fall into line and accept your training is my choice your putting yourself about with the other clever … touting for buisness to line your pockets, i quoted ive been a truck driver 28 yrs and your pulling my experience down just because i dont want to pay and wont pay for a DCPC course to keep driving.
I’d presuppose that in your 28 years of driving, you would have undertaken ‘Continual Professional Development’ but you simply wouldn’t have known that is what it was. What is wrong therefore in professionalising it, making it mandatory and having it recognised?
Are you telling me in those 28 years you never upskilled yourself in order to use digital tachos when they first started to be phased in, or are you telling us you knew how they worked when you first started driving using analogue ones?
When you first started driving did you pre-empt the working time directive 20 years before it was introduced and teach yourself about it so you wouldn’t have to learn about it when it eventually became law?
Did you know all about Adblue 28 years ago?
Unfortunately the world is moving forward at a hell of a pace and like it or not you’ll have to keep up or get out. If you don’t like change or progress, buy a Foden steamer.
Foden matey piece of cake…i was one of the first to be introduced in my job place of work to digi tachos i had a brand new truck a Merc i think it was August of that year a chap went through the motions of how it worked and gave me a book on how to operate the new system…i took it home and read it, the bloke was from mercedes trucks, i do know wot addblue is and how it works…and yes to i know we have progresed very quickly, but i dont aggree with the DCPC and the cost, my rite my opinion, any more questions please.
shytalk:
Foden matey piece of cake…i was one of the first to be introduced in my job place of work to digi tachos i had a brand new truck a Merc i think it was August of that year a chap went through the motions of how it worked and gave me a book on how to operate the new system…i took it home and read it, the bloke was from mercedes trucks, i do know wot addblue is and how it works…and yes to i know we have progresed very quickly, but i dont aggree with the DCPC and the cost, my rite my opinion, any more questions please.
Is your argument then one of merely the fact you are expected to pay for the DCPC, or (as I initially thought from your posts) the fact you have 28 years experience and therefore don’t need any training?
Derf:
shytalk:
You just dont GET it do you? stop patronising drivers with your vast knowledge…im not blowing my trumpet on here at every chance i get…ive got a job to do just the same as you BUT just because i dont fall into line and accept your training is my choice your putting yourself about with the other clever … touting for buisness to line your pockets, i quoted ive been a truck driver 28 yrs and your pulling my experience down just because i dont want to pay and wont pay for a DCPC course to keep driving.I’d presuppose that in your 28 years of driving, you would have undertaken ‘Continual Professional Development’ but you simply wouldn’t have known that is what it was. What is wrong therefore in professionalising it, making it mandatory and having it recognised?
Are you telling me in those 28 years you never upskilled yourself in order to use digital tachos when they first started to be phased in, or are you telling us you knew how they worked when you first started driving using analogue ones?
When you first started driving did you pre-empt the working time directive 20 years before it was introduced and teach yourself about it so you wouldn’t have to learn about it when it eventually became law?
Did you know all about Adblue 28 years ago?Unfortunately the world is moving forward at a hell of a pace and like it or not you’ll have to keep up or get out. If you don’t like change or progress, buy a Foden steamer.
What did we all do before dcpc and the internet !! - oh yes, we kept ourselves updated with recent changes most of which came to our attention via other drivers or TMs
If we did not know how to do something WE ASKED and got trained in that something - that is CPD
Derf, i dont work for any company so i would have to pay for something i dont think will benefit me…i dont profess to know all there is to know about haulage but i dont need telling i need to train up for this tax on my job allready…if you have done it well done, i have the choice as to whether i do or dont, do you get paid any more for this ghost qualification ? i doubt it… i did have my ADR for packages it ment i got somat like 26 pence an hour for my trouble im not going to get rich on that, any more you would like to know ? cheers. shytalk.
Shep and Clara, through numerous posts you have proved yourselves to be intelligent, litterate and well informed. I have no doubt that you are both outstanding trainers and are both very passionate about your jobs. For that alone I honestly commend you and can assur you that if there was any training that I willingley wanted you two would be top of my list of people to approach.
The problem isn’t really good versus bad trainers, the problem is the product you are being forced to peddle. I know you’ll respond by saying that your courses are neither boring nor useless, and I would believe you if only for the fact that you both obviously put heart and soul into your work. But can either of you hand on heart tell me that the dcpc in it’s current guise is a usefull tool?
I know you can only work with what you are given, but the whole mess is fatally flawed, badly thought out by beaurocrats, and badly executed by the same unnacountable chinless wonders.
I’m all for job specific training, but in its current guise the dcpc is unfit for purpose and about as much use as a one legged bloke at an arse kicking party.
Maoster
Thank you for the comment. I can honestly say the DCPC is one of the best pieces of legislation to enter the industry…But it does need looking at from both the EU and the drivers who attend.
Imo we need more flexability in the training environment i.e let us talk to a company and make the course to their needs. At the minute we accredit 7 hours of Drivers hours. To cover most of the industry most include multi manning, ferry train, domestic etc etc.
As a trainer it would be nice to be allowed to speak to a customer do a 7 hour course but adapt the generic course to suit them.
Drivers should not or should not be allowed to sitthe same course within a certain time period.
More should be done to make managers and supervisors attend the course to update their TM CPC.
loads of flaws on both sides but once sorted it will be a good thing.
Before some say it is because it pays your mortgage i would like to point out DCPC is nowhere near my main earner as most people only want sats and sunday training days
ROG:
shytalk, let me ask you this…
Have you, in the last few years, ever had infringements for breaking the tacho regs because you did not know what the rules are?
Have you lost or nearly lost a load because of not securing it properly?
Have you upset customers because you are unaware of how to treat them?
shytalk:
I would say no to all…
Then I would like to know from the dcpc trainers what they could teach you ?
Long distance clara:
MaosterThank you for the comment. I can honestly say the DCPC is one of the best pieces of legislation to enter the industry…But it does need looking at from both the EU and the drivers who attend.
Rest of it SNIPPED.
The impression I formed from Maoster’s post was that Maoster thinks the DCPC is a chocolate teapot.
Like me, Maoster is probably begging for a little bit of guidance in certain area’s, a bit of clarification on something a bit foggy, an old hand to offer some sage advice.
The DCPC achieves none of this, yet it so easily could.
How can it possibly be one of the best bits of legislation to enter the industry?
What, exactly, are you comparing it to?
“Best bit of legislation”;
Talk about believing your own bs.
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shytalk:
do you get paid any more for this ghost qualification ? i doubt it…
…I left the hot seat 6 years ago (although I still do the odd bit of transport consultancy for small operators). I currently work for a training company that delivers NVQ training qualifications for trainers and assessors, (we teach teachers how to teach) so the short answer is ‘yes I do (or at least have the potential to) get paid more for this ghost qualification’.
My argument is not for the DCPC persay, It has the potential to be a very worthwhile qualification. My gripe is with the way it’s been implemented. None of the trainers need any recognised qualification in delivering training, JAUPT say they only need to have ‘knowledge of what they intend to deliver’. JAUPT couldn’t even be more specific than that when i phoned them to do a bit of digging. It could be completely feasable that the trainer you get has spent only 2 weeks driving or being around HGV’s and has merely read ahead 2 chapters in the book he’s delivering the training from.
To me that is unexceptable and a total waste of the over inflated prices many trainers are charging. Whilst there are some very competenmt fully qualified trainers, who are passionate and care about the training they deliver (2 of which are on this very forum), it would seem the bulk of the training providers I contacted (and I contacted a fair many) seem only interested in taking the money off you and simply ticking you off as attending rather than delivering any quality of training.
Given that like it or not, the DCPC is here to stay and is a legal requirement, even with my drivers head on rather than my trainers head, it would make alot more sense to pay £200 and possibly take something positive from the training than sit in a classroom bored out of my brain for 7 hours for the same price.
alte hase:
A driver of a transit van pulling a trailer coming into scope of ‘o’ licencing/tachograph regulations requires the dqc,
incorrect
A transit under 3.5 tonnes is a category B vehicle
dcpc is for category C & D vehicles
ROG:
ROG:
shytalk, let me ask you this…
Have you, in the last few years, ever had infringements for breaking the tacho regs because you did not know what the rules are?
Have you lost or nearly lost a load because of not securing it properly?
Have you upset customers because you are unaware of how to treat them?shytalk:
I would say no to all…Then I would like to know from the dcpc trainers what they could teach you ?
OK OK - I’ll fall for it. The answer is clearly nothing because he has been doing the job 28 years.
I do find it odd that over the last 5 or 6 years I have yet to meet one of these 28 year experience drivers that knows so much. It must all happen in the 28th year and everyone I met so far hadn’t got there yet 
Probably all around the 27 years or less service eh? I met quite a few thought they were at that point in their careers but then after an hour in the classroom it transpired they did need some points correcting or clarifying afterall.
Mr shytalk basis his opinions on his knowledge and experience. This leads him to form the opinion the DCPC is of no use to him. That’s OK - that’s his choice. he just might be perfectly correct.
I form my opinions on my experience and knowledge as well. In my years in employement from servicing trucks to loading trucks to managing drivers I have met more people that would benefit from a bit of training than wouldn’t. therefore when the EU forced a scheme on us that made training compulsory - in an industry that simply doesn’t bother to train - I felt it was a good move.
Prior to DCPC I was trying to get training in place for drivers but persistantly being told it costs to much, we haven’t got the time etc. Drivers were simply given the keys to a truck and told to get on with it. I began to organise voluntary training at weekends. I made myself available and drivers could come along if they wanted - many did and we covered topics such as digi tachos, drivers hours and those that came along had a lot of questions. the amazing thing was - people did come along voluntarily. Of course some didn’t attend - their choice.
One thing I noticed was those that didn’t attend tended to be the ones getting things wrong - especially on drivers hours rules.
So - to me when the DCPC was introduced I thought it was good. I don’t agree drivers should pay. I don’t agree drivers should be giving up their weekends to attend. it should all be the employers responsibility and carried out during the working week at the employers expense and with the driver paid to be there. But is isn’t and there’s nowt I can do about that. TM’s and bosses should also be made to attend.
75% of my DCPC customers are companies paying for their drivers to attend. Most however don’t pay the driver to attend - nowt i can do about that.
Either way, the DCPC is here and those that want to carry on driving are going to have to go through it. For those of you so against it - I hope the scheme gets scrapped and you can get back to being a mostly untrained working in the dark industry with the boss leaving you to sort it out yourselves.
I wonder what the stats are for drivers getting tacho infringements before and after the intro of the dcpc ?
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ROG:
I wonder what the stats are for drivers getting tacho infringements before and after the intro of the dcpc ?
It wouldn’t be a fair comparison. How many drivers that have ever run bent knew the rules anyway yet ran bent for their own advantage?
How would you judge if the infringements are a result of ignorance of the rules or a blatant concious decision to disregard them?
alte hase:
ROG:
alte hase:
A driver of a transit van pulling a trailer coming into scope of ‘o’ licencing/tachograph regulations requires the dqc,incorrect
A transit under 3.5 tonnes is a category B vehicle
dcpc is for category C & D vehicles
change it to 7.5 ton then, the dqc for this toy is the same as 150 ton low loader, targeted isn’t it?
Whats the difference between that and passing your test in a baby bendy bedford, then the next day taking out a STGO cat 3 prior to the DCPC?