Derf:
ROG:
I wonder what the stats are for drivers getting tacho infringements before and after the intro of the dcpc ?It wouldn’t be a fair comparison. How many drivers that have ever run bent knew the rules anyway yet ran bent for their own advantage?
How would you judge if the infringements are a result of ignorance of the rules or a blatant concious decision to disregard them?
How will the dcpc stop drivers deliberately running bent?
The flexibility of the DCPC does allow for very specialist training. It doesn’t have to be drivers hours and customer care. So your man who loads D8’s onto his low loader could very easily attend a course specialising in that. He himself could even become the trainer perhaps and pass on his knowledge, experience and skill to others joining the company.
But then someone would argue that driver got his DQC for learning to load plant onto a low loader - then went off and delivered flowers to B&Q and none of what he had been taught was of any use.
This is fundamentaly where the DCPC is wrong. By placing the responsibility with the driver it has driven them to seek out the cheapest training available - drivers hours and customer care. Had it been the employers responsibility and the legislation forced them to obtain training relevant to what the driver actually does - might be better.
I do come across this. A company wants their drivers training in something specific. Once I explain the cost of developing that training, finding the right trainer with the specialist knowledge and experience, registering the training etc … the price soon makes them change their mind. So rather than the specialist training the driver deserves - he gets drivers hours and customer care.
I personally only train those subjects I have experience and knowledge of. As an example Drivers Hours Rules but - first aid, I pay a trainer to come and do that. JAUPT would let me do it because I have a FAW certificate and a trainer qualification, but I leave it to those that specialise. I make less money this way - but it means the training is … I’ll use the word correct.
If a driver doesn’t want to attend a drivers hours rules because he is fully up to speed - then go book a different course! Not rocket science is it? This is the point people are missing. Book a course that will benefit you. if there aren’t any because you have a vast experience and knowledge - become a trainer 
The DCPC needs you.
The DCPC came at the wrong time … nobody has got any money. if this was 10 years ago I think it would be better received.
ROG:
Derf:
ROG:
I wonder what the stats are for drivers getting tacho infringements before and after the intro of the dcpc ?It wouldn’t be a fair comparison. How many drivers that have ever run bent knew the rules anyway yet ran bent for their own advantage?
How would you judge if the infringements are a result of ignorance of the rules or a blatant concious decision to disregard them?
How will the dcpc stop drivers deliberately running bent?
Because there wont be able to say there didn’t know there could not do that it will take away the verbal warning at the road side and there should be no excuses
At a place I worked at and before the CPC course we did, the infringement’s were high, but after there almost Zero
some drivers didn’t ever know the 45 minute break had been changed to 15 the 30 some were still doing it the old way and even the TM did not know.
delboytwo:
At a place I worked at and before the CPC course we did, the infringement’s were high, but after there almost Zerosome drivers didn’t ever know the 45 minute break had been changed to 15 the 30 some were still doing it the old way and even the TM did not know.
With that many infringements why did the company not resolve the issue imediately especially as the company could also be held liable ?
ROG:
Derf:
ROG:
I wonder what the stats are for drivers getting tacho infringements before and after the intro of the dcpc ?It wouldn’t be a fair comparison. How many drivers that have ever run bent knew the rules anyway yet ran bent for their own advantage?
How would you judge if the infringements are a result of ignorance of the rules or a blatant concious decision to disregard them?
How will the dcpc stop drivers deliberately running bent?
I came across a lad who was being paid £50 a time to use his bosses digi card when his own ‘ran out’. His boss had told him not to worry cos it’d be the transport manager would get done and he’d just go employ another. Once I explained the possible punishment if caught he decided to stop playing that game. So I’ll count that as the DCPC stopped him running bent.
No doubt he got sacked though 
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Thats it then Rog off we go…new job on the horizon …just put his foot up his own backside…wondered when he would come out the woodwork, quick 2 weeks and were ready let the money roll in…you dont know what training or qualifications i have had or got in the past…you did miss one further up the thread though…ADR packages i let that one slip…must be going senile in my old age…Shep you can spout all day and night it wont change my mind or attitude…your still taking the bait and knocking my 28 yrs driving etc.
alte hase:
Derf:
alte hase:
ROG:
alte hase:
A driver of a transit van pulling a trailer coming into scope of ‘o’ licencing/tachograph regulations requires the dqc,incorrect
A transit under 3.5 tonnes is a category B vehicle
dcpc is for category C & D vehicles
change it to 7.5 ton then, the dqc for this toy is the same as 150 ton low loader, targeted isn’t it?
Whats the difference between that and passing your test in a baby bendy bedford, then the next day taking out a STGO cat 3 prior to the DCPC?
No employer would touch you,you would have to buy one of your own, obtain an ‘o’ licence and all that entails ,find an insurer to insure it, the real world barriers would stop you in your path, the dqc on the other hand isn’t a barrier of any kind.
Ok, I’ll use a more realistic scenario;
What’s the difference between that and passing your test in a little FL6 with a flatbed, then 2 days later reversing a 40 tonne fridge onto a ferry on your way to Naples?
shytalk:
Thats it then Rog off we go…new job on the horizon …just put his foot up his own backside…wondered when he would come out the woodwork, quick 2 weeks and were ready let the money roll in…you dont know what training or qualifications i have had or got in the past…you did miss one further up the thread though…ADR packages i let that one slip…must be going senile in my old age…Shep you can spout all day and night it wont change my mind or attitude…your still taking the bait and knocking my 28 yrs driving etc.
if you or Rog want to give DCPC training a go just let me know Can’t beat a trainer with experience in subject knowledge. You just might enjoy helping some people out 
Correct I don’t know your previous training or qualifications in the same way you don’t know mine. ADR? yeah I got that - tanks as well.
I’m bored with this now - gotta go get ready for the DCPC course tomorrow
I attended a 7 hours dcpc course on drivers hours with a great trainer and learned … nothing new
There ya go again one upman ship…i got tanks…and a gold star for being a good boy, i didnt need tanks for the job i was doing in fact it was just another hour on the days training but i couldnt see the point i wouldnt be driving tankers. goodnight.
Fascinating thread
ugt:
Fascinating thread
Isn’t it just
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alte hase:
Derf:
alte hase:
Derf:
alte hase:
ROG:
alte hase:
A driver of a transit van pulling a trailer coming into scope of ‘o’ licencing/tachograph regulations requires the dqc,incorrect
A transit under 3.5 tonnes is a category B vehicle
dcpc is for category C & D vehicles
change it to 7.5 ton then, the dqc for this toy is the same as 150 ton low loader, targeted isn’t it?
Whats the difference between that and passing your test in a baby bendy bedford, then the next day taking out a STGO cat 3 prior to the DCPC?
No employer would touch you,you would have to buy one of your own, obtain an ‘o’ licence and all that entails ,find an insurer to insure it, the real world barriers would stop you in your path, the dqc on the other hand isn’t a barrier of any kind.
Ok, I’ll use a more realistic scenario;
What’s the difference between that and passing your test in a little FL6 with a flatbed, then 2 days later reversing a 40 tonne fridge onto a ferry on your way to Naples?
The same real world barriers as before, real world barriers supersede legislative permissions, its quite legal to drive a 40 ton fridge onto the ferry under 21years of age, your not going to see it though, whatever your training is comprised of at dqc level will be summarily dismissed by an employer untill you can prove yourself capable to their requirements, the possession of a dqc card will have no influence on your employability, other than having it in ‘possession’, whilst you can simply ‘buy’ a qualification it will remain the subject of derision.
I did see it - I was the one backing onto the boat, although granted I was 22 when I passed my test. (the max weight at that time was 38 tonne as well)
ROG:
I attended a 7 hours dcpc course on drivers hours with a great trainer and learned … nothing new
come rog, at least make it believable 
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ROG:
delboytwo:
At a place I worked at and before the CPC course we did, the infringement’s were high, but after there almost Zerosome drivers didn’t ever know the 45 minute break had been changed to 15 the 30 some were still doing it the old way and even the TM did not know.
With that many infringements why did the company not resolve the issue imediately especially as the company could also be held liable ?
Small firm out date info, going with flow, money all ways a factor, did not want to spend money on training just incase the drivers left.
And that why I paid for mine there were going to do one course a year and it was going to be the same one.