Long distance clara:
Shytalk reading your comments is making me laugh. You are protesting to much and that is normally a sign of a blagger. I have trained people who make your 28 years class 1 (see i can read) look like nothing and yet they learnt things they were not aware of.
You said that driving a modern truck is easy your child can do it. Ha ha with people like you spouting off its no wonder wages are dropping. Why pay top dollar to a person for a job a child can do .
I would also state that comment by you alone is more disrespectful than any driver cpc could be to the industry.
Have you carried out any training or are you going on other peoples say so?
See you cant read…i said for those that are not conversant with english…i can PROVIDE cv etc…just as i thought your another ■■■■■■ thats bleeding money out of people for there so called training…i dont need to blag anyone just because i dont aggree with your training or assesments your attacking me…i wont be doing DCPC or any assesments…i do have the luxury of being retired…but would like to say good luck with your blagging…oh sorry its called training…my arse…typical teacher like to patronise people…ive forgoten more than you would ever teach me but thanks for your input.
Clara, you’re just as bad by singing the DCPCs’ praises. You’re acting like a sales rep, saying nothing but how great your source of income is. You’ll always say it’s necessary because it lines your pocket.
Nobody (other than other trainers and the type of drivers who’ll report someone for not wearing a hard hat) cares how interactive your courses are; If we have to waste our time and money on this cash cow let it be as cheap and easy for us. Don’t come out with all this “for an extra few quid I can get you into groups for a discussion” rubbish, do it dirt cheap, log our attendance and let us actually earn money for ourselves.
ROG:
These posts do bring up a question - if there were no approved dcpc providers and trainers then would the UK dcpc fall flat on its face ?
I suppose it’s pretty obvious it would fall over … but of course there always will be providers and trainers because it is a means to make money and in some cases a viable business.
I would guess the DSA could probably take it on - recruit trainers etc. Maybe it’d be good for a franchise scheme - although isn’t that the consortiums?
Mind you - with the 1400 or so approved centres plus consortiums currently in the UK I think the scheme is certainly going to stumble. September 2014 will be when we find out. Latest DSA figures show a slowing in the uptake of training.
I still know PCV drivers that haven’t started the training yet - with only 10 months to go. Apparently they will sort it nearer the time … yeah right!
Muckaway:
Clara, you’re just as bad by singing the DCPCs’ praises. You’re acting like a sales rep, saying nothing but how great your source of income is. You’ll always say it’s necessary because it lines your pocket.
Nobody (other than other trainers and the type of drivers who’ll report someone for not wearing a hard hat) cares how interactive your courses are; If we have to waste our time and money on this cash cow let it be as cheap and easy for us. Don’t come out with all this “for an extra few quid I can get you into groups for a discussion” rubbish, do it dirt cheap, log our attendance and let us actually earn money for ourselves.
At last…cheers muckaway…couldnt have put it better my self.
Muckaway never saw your post until he just quoted it.
I have not mentioned my income nor did i say i would charge extra for group work.
What i was saying is not all courses are death by power point. The ones that are are normally run by instructors who do not have instructional skills.
I still find it funny that mr 28 years has such a strong opinion of how bad this training is when he has never attended a course.
You have both in a back handed kind of way had a dig at my training or methods of training and to my knowledge we have never met, so you are tarring me with the same brush as the rubbish instructors.
I am not stopping you from earning a living as hou put more helping keeping you on the road
Many have attended courses and learnt nothing new or have paid for dcpc hours atatched to a course we had already which means they paid money for … nothing except to get in the hours
ROG:
I believe it is possible for them to extend the PCV until the LGV date - they are trying to align them anyway
Isn’t anything possible? The question has to be why would they? The industry has had 5 years to sort it. The TC’s and VOSA have already announced how they intend to enforce the DCPC and that it WILL be enforced from the deadline. Normal routine roadside checks will include DQC checks. For a lot of PCV operators this is going to be difficult to avoid. VOSA and Council officials often gather at bus depots - easy target. Those running school contracts get targetted at the actual schools. Those running pleasure trips such as to race days and zoos etc - guess what, VOSA go there too.
Of all the PCV operators I deal with they all get checked far more often than a haulier does.
Any PCV driver with a C on their licence as well will actually get a DQC that lasts for 6 years - they will get a 09/09/2019 expiry on the DQC because they have aligned the C and D categories.
Muckaway:
Clara, you’re just as bad by singing the DCPCs’ praises. You’re acting like a sales rep, saying nothing but how great your source of income is. You’ll always say it’s necessary because it lines your pocket.
Nobody (other than other trainers and the type of drivers who’ll report someone for not wearing a hard hat) cares how interactive your courses are; If we have to waste our time and money on this cash cow let it be as cheap and easy for us. Don’t come out with all this “for an extra few quid I can get you into groups for a discussion” rubbish, do it dirt cheap, log our attendance and let us actually earn money for ourselves.
ROG:
Many have attended courses and learnt nothing new
So some would have you believe
ROG:
or have paid for dcpc hours atatched to a course we had already which means they paid money for … nothing except to get in the hours
I’ll agree there - but the DCPC bit does cost at least £8.75 per candidate to be registered. WHen I did my ADR I paid £25 extra per day to have the DCPC with it. This was the admin and upload fee plus certificate. At £25 it was a good price for DCPC and I didn’t have to attend ADR and DCPC
Long distance clara:
I still find it funny that mr 28 years has such a strong opinion of how bad this training is when he has never attended a course.
This bugs me as well. I overheard a driver slagging off my courses to other drivers - yet he has never been on ANY DCPC course. WHen I challenged him he said his mate had told him - who also had never attended one of my courses. He then admitted his mate had gone somewhere else and mentioned “all courses are the same and all trainers are tossers”.
Long distance clara:
You have both in a back handed kind of way had a dig at my training or methods of training and to my knowledge we have never met, so you are tarring me with the same brush as the rubbish instructors.
Which is just the same as when managers tar drivers with the same brush because the last one they dealt with was an idiot.
Long distance clara:
I am not stopping you from earning a living as hou put more helping keeping you on the road
I offer a 7 hour course at half normal price to Trucknet members. I have before now offered it free (except the £8.75 DSA fee). I can’t do anymore as I am sure Long Distance Clara can do no more to make it anymore palatable for drivers. Neither Clara nor I wrote the rules.
Derf:
It’s not as if you need anything of any substance to become approved by JAUPT (a cheque book or debit card should suffice)
Almost. Minimum requirement is a JAUPT annex 8 and annex 9 signed by someone in a position to sign them. These prove subject knowledge and training experience. They should be completed and signed by someone who can honestly say that trainer can do what the form says. Of course this is open to cheating. I don’t know if JAUPT actually check on them or not - I would hope they do.
Of course JAUPT or DSA audits should then catch out those that can’t do what they said on the form. Don’t know if they do or not.
I had a lad come to me offering his services as a trainer. He had loads of certificates and some JAUPT annex 8 and 9 forms and has been delivering DCPC for the last 2 years. My QA policy says I have to observe a trainer in a training session before they can be employed. I arranged to go with him on a course he was delivering for someone else and sat at the back for half the day … result is he won’t be working for me I can’t however do anything about him working for others and others may accept his standards but I hope not - hence him looking for more work because somebody had fired him off.
But this is no different than other walks of life. Diesel Dave does a most excellent job of ADR training - others are nowhere near as good. There are crap driving instructors and good driving instructors. Bad teachers and good teachers. Oh yes - bad drivers and good drivers
You just dont GET it do you? stop patronising drivers with your vast knowledge…im not blowing my trumpet on here at every chance i get…ive got a job to do just the same as you BUT just because i dont fall into line and accept your training is my choice your putting yourself about with the other clever … touting for buisness to line your pockets, i quoted ive been a truck driver 28 yrs and your pulling my experience down just because i dont want to pay and wont pay for a DCPC course to keep driving.
shytalk, let me ask you this…
Have you, in the last few years, ever had infringements for breaking the tacho regs because you did not know what the rules are?
Have you lost or nearly lost a load because of not securing it properly?
Have you upset customers because you are unaware of how to treat them?
I would say no to all…wait for it mr and mrs trainers waiting in the wings to jump like a coiled snake…ive said no Rog ive had time out through health reasons…but decided to take early retirement , but recently looked into perhaps doing a bit part time…but with the enforcers and medical renew digi card im not rushing back…as i said and its my opinion i dont aggree with DCPC but just because i dont im confronted with ah well you need it you wont get a job with ab or c if you dont…and ? im not desperate thanks.
I can’t however do anything about him working for others and others may accept his standards but I hope not - hence him looking for more work because somebody had fired him off.