ROG:
Apart from paying more money to get ticks in the box for dcpc hours, what actual extra benefit does the driver get from courses such as ADR? - the answer has to be none !!
…apart from increased employment opportunities in better-paid driving jobs
What did the Romans do for us?
shep532:
ROG:
IF they actually need it in the first placeBeing honest I’d like it if it was all test based. I don’t have the answers. If they scrap it or don’t enforce it, fine I’ll toddle off and find something else to do with my life
Hey! I might even drive for a while - after all I’ve got my DQC
And if they scrap it, YOUR DQC will mean jack! 
DRIVE! 
GasGas:
ROG:
Apart from paying more money to get ticks in the box for dcpc hours, what actual extra benefit does the driver get from courses such as ADR? - the answer has to be none !!
…apart from increased employment opportunities in better-paid driving jobs
That’s so so funny!
I would settle for my money back
alte hase:
Has it crossed your mind that those drivers cpc’s allows them to drive in any sector of transport, any at all, so you achieved what exactly?.
Yes it crossed my mind - but, these drivers HAVE to take this compulsory training before they can drive on these specific contracts anyway - therefore why not make it count as DCPC? Isn’t that in the drivers favour? Yes they could leave that contract and go work elsewhere with their little DQC in hand. But of course, over the next 5 year cycle, whilst working at “General Haulage Incorporated” they will attend DCPC sessions for subjects more suited to the work they currently do. Of course they can attend MORE than 35 hours of training. These drivers may do 35 hours of ‘general’ DCPC and also get another 7 hours for this specialist course they have to do anyway. SO the extra 7 hours don’t count towards the DQC … but they had to do the training anyway.
Go work for one of the big DHL type companies and you’ll find yourself going through 3 days of induction training whether you like it or not. In a lot of cases that company will have at least 7 or 14 hours of this registered as DCPC and it’ll get put through as DCPC whether the driver wants/needs it or not.
But isn’t it also true a driver could do ADR (21 hours), HIAB (7 hours) and Moffet (7 hours) and then go and drive for Tesco using none of those skills? The problem is the industry is very diverse and drivers can move from one end of the scale to the other.
In my example these drivers receive 7 hours for the compulsory contract related Health & Safety training. Their employer has also organised other DCPC sessions to cover broader aspects of the job that will carry over to other employment (Drivers Hours, Fuel Efficient Driving etc).
In France for 21 hours of the DCPC the subjects are compulsory and taken by all drivers. The other 14 hours can be specialist courses such as the one I mentioned or something else unique to their actual employment. Maybe this would work well in the UK
Also - back to your original point, a driver with a ‘D’ and ‘C’ could attend “Customer Care”, “Luggage Handling”, “Dealing with disablilities”, “Bus Evacuation” & “Passenger Care” and then go and drive a 32t tipper for the rest of their lives where none of that training is relevant.
alte hase:
Such an assessment, not compiled by EU/ DFT staff, would see 97% of drivers exonerated from sitting through the cpc course
If you believe 97% of drivers would pass a suitable assessment you are dreaming. Just read this very forum to see the laughable questions asked - which is only a very small percentage of the 800,000 working drivers out there. yes there are some very knowledgeable people on this forum, some I would class as experts - but from what I see that is a small percentage of those that actually post.
Since 09/09/2009 I have dealt with quite a number of drivers and my estimate, based on simple tests and quizzes I have delivered, would be 50 - 60% would have got through - maybe. As an example last weekend, a small 15 question multi-choice ‘test’ on drivers hours and WTD saw 7 of the 10 in the room score less than 10 right answers. And before anyone points out the training must be crap - this was before the training took place.
EXAMPLE
If you drive for 9.5 hours in total on Monday, 6 on Tuesday, 8 on Wednesday, 9.5 on Thursday and 5 on Friday, what is the maximum amount you can drive in total on Saturday?
a) 10 hours
b) 18 hours
c) 4.5 hours
d) 9 hours
The correct answer is ‘D’ but 7 out of 10 put ‘A’
EXAMPLE
How many times can you reduce your daily rest?
a) Up to twice in every fixed week
b) Up to three times a week
c) Up to twice between weekly rests
d) Up to three times between weekly rests
The correct answer is ‘D’ but we got 5 put ‘B’, 2 put ‘A’
EXAMPLE
After a weekly rest, you start your working week on Wednesday at 8am. When is the latest time you can start your next weekly rest?
a) 8pm the following Wednesday
b) 8am the following Tuesday
c) 8am the following Saturday
d) 8am the following Monday
The correct answer is ‘B’. 4 lads got this one right (3 of which got the two above right as well)
Out of the 10 drivers 2 of them got maximum points and 1 dropped 1 point - the rest were terrible.
After the training we did a slightly different test - all scored more than 13 out of 15. I will admit that by today they might be back to bad scores again because it has all been forgotten - but that shouldn’t be the case.
Some of the issue is that putting a written test in front of some people causes panick and others just tick the first answer remotely like the right one or just simply confuse themselves reading the four choices. There is a technique to answering multi-choice tests.
I am going to bow out of this conversation now as I am always on a hiding to nowhere no matter what. I hope the authorities do bring in testing or assessments and that some of you will be exempted DCPC training because you know enough and those that need training get made to take it and it is paid for by their employer or Government or someone other than the driver.
DHL…3 day induction course…how long have you done class1 ? er…28yrs…so i still need an induction course ?.. bollox…i wouldnt want to be insulted.
the maoster:
GasGas:
ROG:
Apart from paying more money to get ticks in the box for dcpc hours, what actual extra benefit does the driver get from courses such as ADR? - the answer has to be none !!…apart from increased employment opportunities in better-paid driving jobs
I just realised that could be read two ways !!
I meant what does the driver get for the extra dcpc money that is paid on something like an ADR course ? - besides a tick in the box
shytalk:
DHL…3 day induction course…how long have you done class1 ? er…28yrs…so i still need an induction course ?.. bollox…i wouldnt want to be insulted.
A lot of that training will be on company ‘processes’", which you might never have encountered before…and probably never will again.
Still, so long as you’re being paid…
shytalk:
DHL…3 day induction course…how long have you done class1 ? er…28yrs…so i still need an induction course ?.. bollox…i wouldnt want to be insulted.
DHL is a 3 day induction, as rightly said mainly on company policies and ways of doing things. the induction will also include an assessed drive and if you aint good enough - you don’t get the job. 3 days does seem a bit much but I reckon it’s good practice to introduce new employees to the company ways - makes it easier to get on with the job I would say
Currently - turn up with less than 21 days DCPC (with proof) and you won’t get the job either, but they may hold a position for you whilst you go away and get 21 hours.
shep532:
shytalk:
DHL…3 day induction course…how long have you done class1 ? er…28yrs…so i still need an induction course ?.. bollox…i wouldnt want to be insulted.DHL is a 3 day induction, as rightly said mainly on company policies and ways of doing things. the induction will also include an assessed drive and if you aint good enough - you don’t get the job. 3 days does seem a bit much but I reckon it’s good practice to introduce new employees to the company ways - makes it easier to get on with the job I would say
Currently - turn up with less than 21 days DCPC (with proof) and you won’t get the job either, but they may hold a position for you whilst you go away and get 21 hours.
The bit you seem to have skimmed over is 28 yrs class1… i dont want the assesment from some clown …ive been an insructer for ten yrs blah ! blah!. i did the job hgv and psv teaching but i wouldnt try and belittle someone with experience…and play the big i am, young bloke new to the game fair enough…why dont you get it ? just so you dont miss it again…28 yrs experience hgv class1…or do you need to go to spec savers ?
An employer has ever right to find out if that’s 28 years of continuous improvement (perhaps backed by regular assessments, refreshers, updates and so on), or 1 year’s worth of mistakes practiced 28 times. The best way to do that is an assessment drive. A modern truck needs to be driven rather differently than the kind of truck that was used for driver training 28 years ago.
Would you feel happy getting on a plane if you were told the last training the pilot had was 28 years ago, and he’d never had instruction on the type of plane he was flying now?
On a different subject, but still related to Driver CPC, there are going to be some red faces at the testing station when this rule is enforced truckingtopics.co.uk/vosaclarifiesdri.html
You couldn’t make it up!
GasGas:
An employer has ever right to find out if that’s 28 years of continuous improvement (perhaps backed by regular assessments, refreshers, updates and so on), or 1 year’s worth of mistakes practiced 28 times. The best way to do that is an assessment drive. A modern truck needs to be driven rather differently than the kind of truck that was used for driver training 28 years ago.Would you feel happy getting on a plane if you were told the last training the pilot had was 28 years ago, and he’d never had instruction on the type of plane he was flying now?
On a different subject, but still related to Driver CPC, there are going to be some red faces at the testing station when this rule is enforced truckingtopics.co.uk/vosaclarifiesdri.html
You couldn’t make it up!
Rubbish…your another one that needs glasses…i have driven modern trucks thanks…couldnt be easier piece of ■■■■…, my kid could drive one…they just about drive themselves today…auto boxes cruise… put one of you thick t…s in a full crash box…you would be back in five f… minutes telling me its knacked cant get any gears…so in 28 yrs yes thanks i can drive any truck because i moved with the times and progress…but i dont tell another tradesman his job when i know jack all about it like i said its an insult to mine and lots of other mature drivers with expereience that some foreman driver so called assesor takes you round town and its down to his say so whether your fit for the job…bollox…and seems your another one likes handing over money for nothing ie…DCPC
OK you win.
Any employer is going to be able to tell you can do your job perfectly, just by looking at you.
The rest of us will just struggle on with assessments, interviews and tests, pausing only to worship at your feet. 
i want it making really hard to pass
GasGas:
OK you win.Any employer is going to be able to tell you can do your job perfectly, just by looking at you.
The rest of us will just struggle on with assessments, interviews and tests, pausing only to worship at your feet.
No not correct, i can provide an upto date cv with references and hope i might get the great job at DHL… but if your face dont fit either then your rite i mite not get the job on looks alone…on the other hand i know my job…so i dont need some ■■■■■ monkey telling me i cant do the job…i find this is a new thing over recent yrs assesments…i find it an insult…i wouldnt apply for a job i thought i wasnt capable of doing now would i ?
shytalk:
GasGas:
OK you win.Any employer is going to be able to tell you can do your job perfectly, just by looking at you.
The rest of us will just struggle on with assessments, interviews and tests, pausing only to worship at your feet.
No not correct, i can provide an upto date cv with references and hope i might get the great job at DHL…
You wouldn’t, some would. You set up as an OD, you need holiday cover or buying another motor etc, would you want to see them drive it before they set off with 100k’s worth of your gear?
FFS sake change my [zb] name to parrot …ive just said i can provide a cv and refs if thats not good enough then tough, and if i was in a position to employ a driver…if he came to me with a good cv refs or recomended i wouldnt hesitate to employ a guy with experience …no i wouldnt want to put pressure on him and think the worst before he’s even driven the truck…all this assesment bollox is another job invented for another up there own arse jobsworth…that likes bullying or showing there better than you are…so to make it easy to read i wouldnt entertain an assesment and i wouldnt work for DHL if my life depended on it.
Shytalk reading your comments is making me laugh. You are protesting to much and that is normally a sign of a blagger. I have trained people who make your 28 years class 1 (see i can read) look like nothing and yet they learnt things they were not aware of.
You said that driving a modern truck is easy your child can do it. Ha ha with people like you spouting off its no wonder wages are dropping. Why pay top dollar to a person for a job a child can do .
I would also state that comment by you alone is more disrespectful than any driver cpc could be to the industry.
Have you carried out any training or are you going on other peoples say so?
parrot:
FFS sake change my [zb] name to parrot …ive just said i can provide a cv and refs if thats not good enough then tough, and if i was in a position to employ a driver…if he came to me with a good cv refs or recomended i wouldnt hesitate to employ a guy with experience …no i wouldnt want to put pressure on him and think the worst before he’s even driven the truck…all this assesment bollox is another job invented for another up there own arse jobsworth…that likes bullying or showing there better than you are…so to make it easy to read i wouldnt entertain an assesment and i wouldnt work for DHL if my life depended on it.
Fair enough fella, but your life can’t be that bad.
