But Shep? You believe the Periodic Dcpc is training! Most of the rest of us disagree! I personally think its a tax paid every 5 years and for what?
Any idiot can sit in a class for 7-8 hours at a time and still learn nothing yet is qualified the same as the next man/woman who chooses to be acquainted with as much as possible to do their job legally and effectively!
Because many hauliers do not provide any training whatsoever for their workforce! We all get lumped in the same category as the muppet who knows diddly about what he is doing!
Hardly a great setting for a professional qualification is it?
Sorry but i dont accept a lot of what you said, there are well educated drivers and some that probably left school without as much as a gse resultā¦but i would say a big percentage of mature drivers having 20 plus yrs under there belt have had the good old lifes training common senseā¦and im sorry to say if you dont understand how to use an old type tacho god help youā¦the new digi system takes a bit more getting used to, fred blogs whos driven the local bin wagon for 25 yrs mite benefitā¦but drivers who have done a great variety of jobs and different trucks trailers will find DCPC a bore and a waste of money plus time out to do it, then theres the other drivers who bless them work hard but have very little left over after feeding and clothing there familyā¦a mortgage or rent etc will baulk at having to find on average 400 quid for the DCPCā¦so the hard working driver has to sacrifice somthing else maybe a holiday for his familyā¦his old car needs a repair or new tyres, if your on a limited income its a hell of alot of money to sit in a class room when what your trying to teach in perhaps your fancy words and flip charts is allready common sense in most peoples eyesā¦when he could spend his hard earned money on something usefull.
Can anyone tell me why my post was removed? I answered the op question āwhat do you want from the dcpc?ā by saying to pay someone as little as possible to mark my attendance so I could do other things? Has this upset somebody? Itās my honest opinion.
I said I dont like Clarasā method of group participation too; I donāt, I feel if everyone was to nod their head at the right time and not to argue the day would be a bit shorter.
dessy:
But Shep? You believe the Periodic Dcpc is training! Most of the rest of us disagree! I personally think its a tax paid every 5 years and for what?
Any idiot can sit in a class for 7-8 hours at a time and still learn nothing yet is qualified the same as the next man/woman who chooses to be acquainted with as much as possible to do their job legally and effectively!
Because many hauliers do not provide any training whatsoever for their workforce! We all get lumped in the same category as the muppet who knows diddly about what he is doing!
Hardly a great setting for a professional qualification is it?
Some valid points. I do believe in my case that DCPC is training. Unfortunately some of you are having to pay for that training, which is the wrong bit. I would much rather take money from employers than the drivers but sometimes I have no choice. I usually charge drivers less than I do employers (but donāt tell them) and for trucknet members charge half price - bargain eh? At least the tax is less What more can I do? I suppose I could stop trading and leave it to somebody else who perhaps doesnāt give a toss?
Yes any idiot can get their DQC by just sitting there but if the trainer is doing their job correctly then hopefully even the idiots do learn and the more clued up drivers may pick up a thing or to. I have yet to meet anyone that has left the room at the end of the day disgruntled. I meet many that enter the room with Mr. Attitude, but they generally leave happier.
Ive just about given up banging my head on the keyboardā¦why try and dictate or teach if you like what a great majority allready know ā¦you will never convince me or a lot of other drivers that sitting in a group that have yrs and yrs of common sense a lifetime of just about every situation driven a vast array of trucks that parting with there hard earned money and seeing nowt for it at the end, because they know that they wont get paid any more for having sat there bored out of there heads just a few hundred quid lighterā¦the only person or persons that will befit is YOU ā¦the people who thought good idea , lets say dont teach your mother to ā ā ā ā eggs and charge for it.
Muckaway if the post was removed I did not complain. I never saw it
Keeping quite on a DCPC is the worst thing to do as your day will drag even more than normal
The word common sense keeps popping up and it amazes me how un common commen sense is.
Some one asked about PTLLS and yes I have that plus other instructor qualifications that I have held for nearly 10 years.
Like Shep I have never had a customer leave saying what a waste of time. Even some of the hard nosed ones have shoock my hand and said good course.
I agree it is a joke you have to pay for it youself but again like Shep I try to reduce as much as possible for individuals.
As said before I am out to make a living not rip people off.
I like lorry driving because itās solitary, so sticking me in a group and telling us to discuss how a squashed cyclist makes you feel just winds me up. Just like on a first aid course where youāre expected to talk to a mannekin.
It doesnāt matter how many people shake your hand and tell you what a good day it was, training attendance is still unnecessary and always will be.
Itās amazing how many people after doing a days course come on these forums saying what a waste of time it was, and yet trainers are always telling of peoples gratitude for the days course.
Most of the posts in this thread seem to refer to dcpc approved centre constructed courses on drivers hours, load safety etc etc
There seems to be no input on courses approved by other governing bodies which we had already and simply have dcpc hours approved for them.
Apart from paying more money to get ticks in the box for dcpc hours, what actual extra benefit does the driver get from courses such as ADR? - the answer has to be none !!
I want it abolished! for new drivers yes i think its a good idea in priciple but judging by how little newbies know about tacho hours etc both when they come to register and by questions asked on here it obviously isnt working or sinking in.
war1974:
I want it abolished! for new drivers yes i think its a good idea in priciple but judging by how little newbies know about tacho hours etc both when they come to register and by questions asked on here it obviously isnt working or sinking in.
The EU missed a trick there - they have the option of making the initial dcpc module 2 a test on the rules and regs with a change in the dcpc directive
I would imagine rather a lot would claim not to need any training when in reality they do or do to some degree. I have met hundreds like this so far. āDonāt know why Iām here Iāve been doing the job 30 years etc etcā followed by āOh, I didnāt know thatā or āAs long as Iām within an hour of base I can crack on and keep driving - Trevor said soā or āI donāt need a digi card I can write on the back of a discā.
It just strikes me that a lot of what is being asked for would effectively raise the costs involved. If a test or exam was added, with appropriate controls and auditing just imagine what the cost would be. As an example the Initial DCPC Module 2 is about Ā£30 for a test that lasts about an hour. This is just about 50% of the current cost for 7 hours training. WHat happens then with fails? More money. Potential training or reading material to be purchased. Costs go up.
The only way to identify if training was needed or not would be a test - so Ā£30 - Ā£50 to find out if you then have to attend some training at further costs followed by another test after that.
Being honest Iād like it if it was all test based. I would invest in the appropriate IT and quality control to become an authorised testing place. Iād pay a couple of people to man the desk and equipment, show you to your seat and show you back out with a pass or fail certificate. So easy. No courses to write, handouts to print etc. No standing in a classroom for 7 hours. No hard sell or marketing to be done - just a captive audience. Then on the back of that I could probably make money from tuition to get people that are struggling through the test.
Then of course - driversā would still need ADR, HIAB, Moffet, CPCS, EPIC and other such qualifications on top of the DCPC, whereas in most cases they now include DCPC at very little extra cost.
I donāt have the answers. All I know is there is a current DCPC scheme with a set of rules that I canāt change. I am working to those rules until they change them. If they scrap it or donāt enforce it, fine Iāll toddle off and find something else to do with my life Hey! I might even drive for a while - after all Iāve got my DQC
shep532:
Then of course - driversā would still need ADR, HIAB, Moffet, CPCS, EPIC and other such qualifications on top of the DCPC, whereas in most cases they now include DCPC at very little extra cost.
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again, If the DCPC was really about improving drivers skills through training, courses like those would automatically qualify for the DCPC without any of this paying for JAUPT approval crap.
shep532:
Then of course - driversā would still need ADR, HIAB, Moffet, CPCS, EPIC and other such qualifications on top of the DCPC, whereas in most cases they now include DCPC at very little extra cost.
Iāve said it before and Iāll say it again, If the DCPC was really about improving drivers skills through training, courses like those would automatically qualify for the DCPC.
They almost do. Someone just has to fill in a 5 page document and pay Ā£252 thatās all!! I did this recently for someone who delivers HIAB training - itās easy enough and now when he trains he also gives 7 hours DCPC. Slightly annoying it costs Ā£252 though
But yes - some existing courses should by default count. There should be a list of them. I think the main problem is that a lot of these courses donāt fit the DCPC framework as they are. HIAB is a good example. A refresher day for 2 people is about 6 hours long - so 1 hour short for DCPC. This 6 hours also includes assessments and exams - not allowed in DCPC so another problem. ALso, when one guy is doing the practical - for DCPC the others would still need to be being entertained by the trainer. JAUPT donāt like when learners are just stood watching.
ADR is the same - a days training according to the timetable isnāt actually long enough for DCPC. So the timetable has to be modified a bit and extended or something extra put in. Most ADR days never reach 7 hours plus breaks.
I would imagine rather a lot would claim not to need any training when in reality they do or do to some degree.
Then an assessment is whats needed first before any training is considered - that is a major flaw in the current system
Iāll have that - good point and I agree. This is virtually how it is done in France where the DCPC scheme was started.
But - donāt you think thatād add to the cost? Then thereād be arguments about the standard of assessment and āHow can you assess me when you arenāt a driverā or āThe assessor didnāt know what he was on aboutā etc
So - Iām off to write some letters asking why we canāt have assessments before training.
You wont convince people like Shep because its his jobā¦and has an answer for everything,but cant see where those that apose the DCPC are coming fromā¦been brainwashed in his training like coppers think there smart and have all the answers and patronise people ā¦
How about a simple questionaire for an assessment to see what knowledge the driver has on various issues - that takes a short time and cannot be that expensive
