dessy:
8) Might see you out there! I’m a night man myself!
I’m assuming it’s a Trunk your going on?
It is indeed, double manned trunk.
You’ll be in good company then! Loads of firms out there doing that!
The difference being under the Dcpc! Anyone can set up to be a Trainer! To run a haulage firm to make a living takes a bit of know how! Yes! Even a cowboy outfit!
Yes right alongside the guy running this scheme
I have looked at his costings and he has not included any that are involved in running a business - which providing training is, to say otherwise is like saying that running a truck for non-profit you dont have to pay the same as anyone else, which is clearly untrue. the only way to avoid paying those fees is to ignore them entirely which he has done.
FH12guy:
You’ll be in good company then!
Yes right alongside the guy running this scheme
Well! Good Luck all the same! Bazman’s Dcpc courses may not even get off the ground so I wouldn’t worry too much! 
FH12guy:
I am thinking about starting up a haulage companyGoing to buy me a truck or five , stick it on someone elses “O” licence (a dodgy mate)
I can park it in a dead end lane I know… so no operating centre costs
Going to pay the driver cash in hand so no NIC or Tax to worry about - or holiday pay, maternity pay, sick pay.
Not going to bother with Public liability insurance
Going to run the company of a mobile phone so no business rates to pay no office bills or staff
Obviously I am not going to declare the income so no accountants fees each year to do my tax returns
Not going to spend any money on the truck so no paying out for spares or kit.
Wont need to advertise as theres plenty of companies that will give me work (that pay the above overheads) and while I am on their customers sites I can tout for their workAnd a multitude of other expenses that genuine companies have that I can avoid
Not going to be worried that I give a crap service cos theres enough mug punters out there that want stuff moving as cheap as possible so after I have ■■■■■■ off one lot will move onto another -
In your area pinching your customers
once I have made enough cash out of that going to move on and do the same with the DCPC… dammit someones beat me to it. The only genius in the plan in this thread is that the guy running it gets the money upfront, saves paying out of their own pocket
Most of what you have said there is illegal while what Barrie is proposing for the DCPC is not. That is simply about getting enough people in one place at a time so when the costs are divided up it it will mean each person attending will pay about £20. Not even close by way of comparison.
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
8) Might see you out there! I’m a night man myself!
I’m assuming it’s a Trunk your going on?It is indeed, double manned trunk.
Now isn’t that ironic! What with the other thread and all! 
dessy:
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
8) Might see you out there! I’m a night man myself!
I’m assuming it’s a Trunk your going on?It is indeed, double manned trunk.
Now isn’t that ironic! What with the other thread and all!
I did mention it on the other thread. 
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
8) Might see you out there! I’m a night man myself!
I’m assuming it’s a Trunk your going on?It is indeed, double manned trunk.
Now isn’t that ironic! What with the other thread and all!
I did mention it on the other thread.
Sorry Coffee! I definately missed that one!
Coffeeholic:
Most of what you have said there is illegal while what Barrie is proposing for the DCPC is not. That is simply about getting enough people in one place at a time so when the costs are divided up it it will mean each person attending will pay about £20. Not even close by way of comparison.
But there are things there that he must have and hasnt costed within his £100 - so is he paying them out of is own pocket?
And the point was the comparison with someone trying to do it as cheap as possible and a company that does pay the costs to provide a decent service within the constraints of the current DCPC legislation.
Even a non profit company has costs and obligations that he has ignored, not costed at all into his figures.
thats why unless he comes up with a realistic costing this scheme is doomed to fail.
I am not saying this chap is dishonest… just niave at the the true costs and needs to do a lot more research, because at the price he is quoting only a few will get the training before he goes bust.
dessy:
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
Coffeeholic:
dessy:
8) Might see you out there! I’m a night man myself!
I’m assuming it’s a Trunk your going on?It is indeed, double manned trunk.
Now isn’t that ironic! What with the other thread and all!
I did mention it on the other thread.
Sorry Coffee! I definately missed that one!
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Coffeeholic:
I start my new double manned trunk job on Monday evening. I have no idea of the ■■■■■■■■■ of the person I will be double manning with on Monday and to be honest I have other more important concerns such as can he drive? Will it be safe to nap while he is driving? How often will I have to use the bullcrap button app on my phone? Will I end up getting out at a services and getting a taxi home because I can’t spend another minute in the cab with him. He will, I hope, have the same concerns.
FH12guy:
But there are things there that he must have and hasnt costed within his £100 - so is he paying them out of is own pocket?
Right, I can guess by the nature of your postings that you do not believe in good deeds, what Barrie is proposing is a very low cost, not for profit venture, which is protesting AGAINST the ridiculous fees that some trainers charge, the DCPC is a travesty and the costs that a HGV driver has to pay to do what he already does, is unreal and as is the prices. I have not yet met barrie but I know enough from TW that he is an honest person, who is respected and I have no question whatsoever about his integrity, but I do not believe he will be paying out of his own pocket for drivers to have a DQC, He has obviously calculated all the costs involved and worked it out as a break even cost if enough people are interested, which is why he is asking about demand before committing to anything
FH12guy:
And the point was the comparison with someone trying to do it as cheap as possible and a company that does pay the costs to provide a decent service within the constraints of the current DCPC legislation.
Even a non profit company has costs and obligations that he has ignored, not costed at all into his figures.
What hasn’t been costed into the course? I am sure barrie has gone through everything, but if you think he has missed something, feel free to post it for him
FH12guy:
thats why unless he comes up with a realistic costing this scheme is doomed to fail.
If he came up with a 60 quid costing (still quite cheap inc extras) you would surely re-start the “Profiteering argument, wouldn’t you?”
FH12guy:
I am not saying this chap is dishonest… just niave at the the true costs and needs to do a lot more research, because at the price he is quoting only a few will get the training before he goes bust.
Do you really think he is that stupid? Nobody would risk going bust for the benefit of people who are doubting his integrity, and in some cases his mental wellbeing■■? 
Why not do a dragons den moment, Tell us where you stand, In or out then keep your comments to yourself.
FH12guy:
Coffeeholic:
Most of what you have said there is illegal while what Barrie is proposing for the DCPC is not. That is simply about getting enough people in one place at a time so when the costs are divided up it it will mean each person attending will pay about £20. Not even close by way of comparison.But there are things there that he must have and hasnt costed within his £100 - so is he paying them out of is own pocket?
As I understand it he is simply acting as an agent to get people onto courses and to do that he doesn’t need much more than a phone and a bit of his time, which he is donating. He is not providing the venues, they will be existing places. He is not providing the training himself, it will be provided by existing trainers who because of volume will earn what they normally earn anyway. He doesn’t need to have insurances, the venues and the trainers will already have that. What must he have that he hasn’t considered. All he needs is a phone and the ability to talk, and he has both of them.
FH12guy:
I am not saying this chap is dishonest… just niave at the the true costs and needs to do a lot more research, because at the price he is quoting only a few will get the training before he goes bust.
He’s got nothing to go bust. He’s not investing any of his own money, just a bit of his time and the cost of a few phone calls. If he gets enough people it will go ahead, if he doesn’t it won’t and nobody will have lost anything other than the opportunity to get the DCPC for a reasonable price.
My mate thinks this a great idea, he has only been in the UK a few months and is needing a cheap CPC because Polish wages are not as good as our own.
He said if he gets UK CPC he can get proper job in Europe
I cant really argue with that!
Good luck finding a trainer thats going to provide a venue, training materials , their own insurance, cover their own travel costs, pay the course registration fees, register as a trainer pay themselves a wage, pay their accountants and tax bills, put a little aside for the days they dont have a course out of '£20 per head per session. even if the “Agent” isnt taking a cut out of that for advertising, arrangement fees his overheads.
It doesnt matter if the trainer or the Agent is paying those costs - they still have to have someone paying for them
And these trainers that are currently getting £65 + per head are all suddenly going to drop their work to do it for £20?
I am not saying what he is trying to do isnt a good idea, I am saying his fgures dont add up
FH12guy:
Good luck finding a trainer thats going to provide a venue, training materials , their own insurance, cover their own travel costs, pay the course registration fees, register as a trainer pay themselves a wage, pay their accountants and tax bills, put a little aside for the days they dont have a course out of '£20 per head per session. even if the “Agent” isnt taking a cut out of that for advertising, arrangement fees his overheads.It doesnt matter if the trainer or the Agent is paying those costs - they still have to have someone paying for them
And these trainers that are currently getting £65 + per head are all suddenly going to drop their work to do it for £20?
I am not saying what he is trying to do isnt a good idea, I am saying his fgures dont add up
only a trainer can come out with such crap. sounds like someone is getting worried.
FH12guy:
Good luck finding a trainer thats going to provide a venue, training materials , their own insurance, cover their own travel costs, pay the course registration fees, register as a trainer pay themselves a wage, pay their accountants and tax bills, put a little aside for the days they dont have a course out of '£20 per head per session. even if the “Agent” isnt taking a cut out of that for advertising, arrangement fees his overheads.It doesnt matter if the trainer or the Agent is paying those costs - they still have to have someone paying for them
And these trainers that are currently getting £65 + per head are all suddenly going to drop their work to do it for £20?
I am not saying what he is trying to do isnt a good idea, I am saying his fgures dont add up
Do you not think you’ve hit the nail on the head right there?
Not worried at all. because I have costed it thoroughly. I know what my overheads are, what are realistic numbers of trainees and frequency of sessions so I know what the break even price per trainee is.
Of course I did treat the drivers with a bit of respect and priced it at a decent venue, with a meal provided,
As it happens I didnt go ahead with it as to be competitive the profit margins simply were not in it
I suppose I could have saved a couple of quid per trainee by finding a smelly leaky portakabin to trap the drivers in for a few hours and got them to bring a pack up and flask
waynedl:
FH12guy:
Good luck finding a trainer thats going to provide a venue, training materials , their own insurance, cover their own travel costs, pay the course registration fees, register as a trainer pay themselves a wage, pay their accountants and tax bills, put a little aside for the days they dont have a course out of '£20 per head per session. even if the “Agent” isnt taking a cut out of that for advertising, arrangement fees his overheads.It doesnt matter if the trainer or the Agent is paying those costs - they still have to have someone paying for them
And these trainers that are currently getting £65 + per head are all suddenly going to drop their work to do it for £20?
I am not saying what he is trying to do isnt a good idea, I am saying his fgures dont add up
Do you not think you’ve hit the nail on the head right there?
So you are going to 5 days a week training all over the nation every week to keep the trainer in constant work to bring the cost down to £20, and who would be doing that organising, finding trainees, arranging who goes where and when , and where is the funding to do that coming from? a cut from the £20 to the agent?
The time alone in collecting the £100 per trainee and distributing to the correct trainer in £20 chunks, , obviously recording it for the tax man etc would be a task for a full time bookeeper.
As I said it simply doesnt add up
FH12guy:
The time alone in collecting the £100 per trainee and distributing to the correct trainer in £20 chunks, , obviously recording it for the tax man etc would be a task for a full time bookeeper.
No it wouldn’t. The trainer would deal with it in exactly the same way they deal with any income.
Coffeeholic:
FH12guy:
The time alone in collecting the £100 per trainee and distributing to the correct trainer in £20 chunks, , obviously recording it for the tax man etc would be a task for a full time bookeeper.No it wouldn’t. The trainer would deal with it in exactly the same way they deal with any income.
But if the money is being collected by the organiser then distributed to the trainers, , are you saying that the money that would go through him doesnt have to be accounted for to HMRC?
(your local tax office may have a view on that one)
Are you also saying that the organiser would pay for the complete course upfront and hope that the trainer is still around in 5 years to deliver all the required modules?
Also if he is only to be acting as an agent and using existing trainers why is he registering with JAUPT and registering courses? surely the trainers will already be JAUPT registered?
FH12guy:
Coffeeholic:
FH12guy:
The time alone in collecting the £100 per trainee and distributing to the correct trainer in £20 chunks, , obviously recording it for the tax man etc would be a task for a full time bookeeper.No it wouldn’t. The trainer would deal with it in exactly the same way they deal with any income.
But if the money is being collected by the organiser then distributed to the trainers, , are you saying that the money that would go through him doesnt have to be accounted for to HMRC?
(your local tax office may have a view on that one)
No, I am saying it wouldn’t require a full time bookkeeper. Money in, money out, those books would take no time at all. He wouldn’t have any tax liability on it as he is not making any profit. When I was running my own trucks the bookkeeping took me about 15 minutes a week, with an extra 15 minutes every quarter to do the VAT return, and there was more too it than what Barrie will have with this venture.
You obviously have a problem because you tried to make money at this and failed so are now begrudging anyone else doing, and hopefully making a success of, something you failed at. Most drivers don’t give a flying [zb] about the quality of the training, the usefulness of the training, the type of venue or how good the sandwiches are at lunchtime. They just want to get the DCPC card for the minimum outlay and inconvenience. If I was having to pay for it myself I would take this offer up as it is about the same price as I can get a hooky DCPC for and at least this one would be kosher.