Upload cost
Buying or writing/getting a course approved
Registration of trainer/s
Registration of training centre
Provision of teaching materials
Wages for the trainer/s
etc etc
Not forgetting
public liability insurance
rent of classroom space
Upload fee
travel costs for trainers
Accountants fees, (because of course you will declare this income to HMRC)
Advertising fees ( to be any where near this figure you are going to have to lecture too 100’s of drivers, and you got to find and tell them)
Anyone who thinks this can be done for £100 for 35 hours is living in cloud cuckoo land - but have a go and invest the money a few drivers may get a cheap DCPC out of it before you go bankrupt
FH12guy:
Anyone who thinks this can be done for £100 for 35 hours is living in cloud cuckoo land - but have a go and invest the money a few drivers may get a cheap DCPC out of it before you go bankrupt
But it’s not been done for £100 is it?
There will Always be a minimum number of people required to participate, I am saying 12 people, in reality it is probably 20 or 30 people which changes the £100 to an actual figure of £2000 or £3,000 respectively.
Lets face it, there are 1,000’s of drivers out there that need the course so filling spaces in a classroom shouldn’t be too difficult.
I meant £100 per person, and economy of scale does work but also brings in extra costs, larger venues, more trainers needed…
To give some more flesh to the bones of this discussion, I did look into this and with some help done some realistic costings
While I am not daft enough to give those costings away, I will say that to run 3 training sessions a week with an average of 12 drivers per session, our break even point was £65 per person per session. And before any anyone jumps on that figure, I was looking at building a business so profit (yes that dirty word) would have to be added to that
Anyone that thinks they can do it for £20 per session either hasnt even tried to cost it right, or simply has no idea of the costs involved and has plucked a figure out of the air
FH12guy:
Anyone who thinks this can be done for £100 for 35 hours is living in cloud cuckoo land - but have a go and invest the money a few drivers may get a cheap DCPC out of it before you go bankrupt
But it’s not been done for £100 is it?
There will Always be a minimum number of people required to participate, I am saying 12 people, in reality it is probably 20 or 30 people which changes the £100 to an actual figure of £2000 or £3,000 respectively.
Lets face it, there are 1,000’s of drivers out there that need the course so filling spaces in a classroom shouldn’t be too difficult.
To be fair Davey, that’s exactly what the OP and the site/person in question IS touting !!!
mavrick:
I have noticed that A Mr B tozer is offering his members the whole dcpc at £100. inc upload fees and a little more for non members. how can he do it for that price. i might be tempted to have some of that.
If he can do it for £100 for members why can’t he for everyone else, or is that just profiteering like the rest of the providers? Obviously the figure quoted must be atleast a breakeven figure.
If he is offering the dcpc for this price then snap his hand off because I can tell you now that he will not be doing it very long when he realises how much he has to be put in to make it happen and how much money and time he has lost.
You will never get decent training for this price.
Davey Driver:
So basically taking Barries Offer of £100 per person, (Sorry I aint been to his site to see the full details)
Lets say 12 people attend the course @ £100 each = £1200
As far as I understand it the £100 is for all 5 courses, you get your DCPC for £100. I think the upload fee is around £8 so five upload fees is around £40 which leaves £60 for the 5 courses, £12.50 a course. 12 people on the course at £12.50 each is a bit less than £1200. Gonna need a heck of a lot more than 12 to make it viable.
That’s why he is saying he will need a lot of support and conformations before setting it up because it is only volume that will enable it at this price.
mavrick:
I have noticed that A Mr B tozer is offering his members the whole dcpc at £100. inc upload fees and a little more for non members. how can he do it for that price. i might be tempted to have some of that.
If he can do it for £100 for members why can’t he for everyone else, or is that just profiteering like the rest of the providers? Obviously the figure quoted must be atleast a breakeven figure.
If he is offering the dcpc for this price then snap his hand off because I can tell you now that he will not be doing it very long when he realises how much he has to be put in to make it happen and how much money and time he has lost.
You will never get decent Dcpc training for ANY price.
Davey Driver:
As I’ve said Neil, I aint been to the site so dont know the full facts, but I was basing things on Class Room Work as an example.
But your right, it takes volume to become beneficial
Well! There must be 300 to 400,000 drivers requiring this “Training” so!
A lot of drivers who Won’t get ripped off for such an I’ll thought out piece of legislation from the EU!
I’d prefer not to have it in the first place! But Heyho! Let’s do it as cheap as possible!
truckerjon:
I am totally against the DCPC in its current form, however, if i can not get it changed, and I need to have one in order to work, then the less i can spend on it, the better. I suspect that there is very little profit margin on £100, could it be that actually, someone is willing to help out other drivers?
whatever, I will be keeping an eye on it. you all know the old saying:-
If you can’t beat them join them, and show them up for what they are, robbing b8stards!
Was discussing this with someone the other day.
Dare I say it. The principle of the drivers CPC is probably a good one, although the implementation isn’t.
Drivers should be offered a 1 short ‘test’ on their chosen module. If they can show that they have a comprehensive knowledge of the module that should be sufficient.
Training would then be given to those who require it. Or is that a little bit like common sense?
If! I end up doing the DCPC I will look for the cheapest option available I suppose.
Some have pointed out that because it’s cheap then it won’t be any good, for those drivers who are unfortunate to work for companies who will not pay for or supply the so called training for this DCPC , & also for those who are out of work who wish to keep their entitlement to drive in a professional capacity , I doubt that the majority of them willl not give a dam about if it’s above board or not as long as they get their DCPC card after,
I doubt that they would even attend such bs courses if they had that choice you pays the man your money and gets your ticket, nowt wrong with that at all, but there would be if it was of actually any use to the driver instead of just another tax we get shafted enough as it is without this DCPC nonsense
Helen Stevens:
Why don’t people consider doing something useful with their compulsory training? We are contemplating putting some (more) of our drivers through the ADR. At least then you’ve got something to show for your money, and can do something useful with it. And at least the training course might be (a bit) more interesting to sit through.
I appreciate not everyone needs an ADR. But you never know when your employer might go bust or have a downturn in work or you just fancy a move and you might be looking for that new job. It’s something to offer your potential new employer, that might just get you the job. Just a thought. (Of course if everybody did that, you wouldn’t have an advantage, but let’s face it, a lot of drivers would rather pay money to tick a box than learn something which might one day be useful.)
I would be tempted. I only do relief driving now and do as much as I want, I did do Haz Pack when it came out (I know showing my age ) and only used it a couple of times but if I can’t get away without doing anything. I will be tempted.
mavrick:
I have noticed that A Mr B tozer is offering his members the whole dcpc at £100. inc upload fees and a little more for non members. how can he do it for that price. i might be tempted to have some of that.
If he can do it for £100 for members why can’t he for everyone else, or is that just profiteering like the rest of the providers? Obviously the figure quoted must be atleast a breakeven figure.
If he is offering the dcpc for this price then snap his hand off because I can tell you now that he will not be doing it very long when he realises how much he has to be put in to make it happen and how much money and time he has lost.
You will never get decent training for this price.
But who actually cares about that? I bet if you poled every driver needing this DCPC to carry on driving, at least 90% of them would not give a toss about the quality of the training. At the end of the day the DCPC is teaching us what we already know, hence why no-one gives a toss about it and are only doing it because there is no other choice if they want to continue driving trucks for a living. That same 90% would also be wanting the ‘ticket’ as cheaply as possible and this is where Barrie comes in.
It is not possible under the current criteria to deliver 35 hours for £100
For £65 per session I can stick you for 7 hours each session in a grotty portakabin and give a couple books to read and as a company still not make a profit
For around £90 per session I can treat the drivers with a bit of respect, hold the course in a comfortable venue , provide food and cofee, Give ineteractive training tools and hands on training to those who need them
For £130+ per session I can bring a truck, and show how to drive it in an economical manner, and how to best use its features - guess which one is promoted and supported by this group of renegades that is oppossed to the DCPC? and wants it as cheap as anything for drivers
FH12guy:
It is not possible under the current criteria to deliver 35 hours for £100
For £65 per session I can stick you for 7 hours each session in a grotty portakabin and give a couple books to read and as a company still not make a profit
For around £90 per session I can treat the drivers with a bit of respect, hold the course in a comfortable venue , provide food and cofee, Give ineteractive training tools and hands on training to those who need them
For £130+ per session I can bring a truck, and show how to drive it in an economical manner, and how to best use its features - guess which one is promoted and supported by this group of renegades that is oppossed to the DCPC? and wants it as cheap as anything for drivers
i can already drive a lorry in an economical manner and best use its features,as i’ve been driving them for about eighteen years-why would i want to pay you £130 per session to show me what i already know?
why should i pay you anything for you to teach me what i already know? cos the eu says i have to-so the cheaper the better as far as i’m concerned,and most other people on this site will agree with me .
who the ■■■■ are you to call us renegades because we dont agree with this ■■■■■■■■ that will line your pockets!!
ady1:
got mine 2nd part tommorow,paid to do it[over time],free subway sarnies so im informed,+still getting £13.00 meal allowance,no fuel/bonus though
arent you lucky then-i’m a subby so have to fund it myself and lose five days wages aswell(that i can ill afford).perhaps you would be a bit quicker to condenm this dcpc ■■■■■■■■ if you wern’t getting overtime and a poxy subway sarnie ffs.
who the [zb] are you to call us renegades because we dont agree with this [zb] that will line your pockets!!
Do you see where I say i am doing this? If so please point it out
You cant, because i am not, I looked into it and decided on purely business reasons not to.
I call " renegades" because this group while crying about it actively promotes one of the most expensive courses there is, because they in an effort to get attention give an unrealistic unworkable price structure for thier “alternative” DCPC. and finally becasue they want to march on parliament to repeal the dcpc but not even 10% of their own groups members are willing to support them
Renegades, mavericks, idealists what term would you realsticaly use… I know the one I am thinking of and its not on that list
who the [zb] are you to call us renegades because we dont agree with this [zb] that will line your pockets!!
Do you see where I say i am doing this? If so please point it out
You cant, because i am not, I looked into it and decided on purely business reasons not to.
I call " renegades" because this group while crying about it actively promotes one of the most expensive courses there is, because they in an effort to get attention give an unrealistic unworkable price structure for thier “alternative” DCPC. and finally becasue they want to march on parliament to repeal the dcpc but not even 10% of their own groups members are willing to support them
Renegades, mavericks, idealists what term would you realsticaly use… I know the one I am thinking of and its not on that list
Arrogant ■■■■■ Same arrogance shown by trainers on here before!
It’s in your interest to try and discredit an idea that I hope puts an end to trainer type ■■■■■■■■!
Gonna need a heck of a lot more than 12 to make it viable.
) and only used it a couple of times but if I can’t get away without doing anything. I will be tempted.
