The DCPC is a ‘travesty’ !!!
Mike-C:
The DCPC is a ‘travesty’ !!!
Not only that, it’s also a tax on travesty!!!. 
The thing is you can pick one up for around £100 without having to actually attend any training sessions. 
Coffeeholic:
Mike-C:
The DCPC is a ‘travesty’ !!!Not only that, it’s also a tax on travesty!!!.
The thing is you can pick one up for around £100 without having to actually attend any training sessions.
Please tell me where, I would love to know…
I really can not be bothered learning what I already know, and can not see the point of being bored [zb]less for 7 hours, I am yet to find someone who offers hours for brown envelopes!
I am very interested in the #100 DCPC as it is cheaper than 2 days with anyone else…
Anyone who says #20 per days training including the 8.75 upload fee is not value for money, is off there trolly, I just hope there is enough interest for this to happen (I still can not understand how this can be done at this price, but if it can, it has a hell of a lot to say about the other training providers)
billybigrig:
Regardless of any past quarrel with Pat, I do feel for her and many others on this. She, physically unable to drive full time, has chosen not to sit on the benefit train. Instead she has chosen to invest in herself and continue providing to her beloved industry by offering the compulsory training from someone who genuinely knows her stuff , having previously been there and done it. Yet wait … on the horizon comes someone offering to do what pays her bills at “non profit”/slim rates. Pat will be far from alone in this predicament. Many drivers with many years experience have done the same thing. They have mortgages to pay, kids to feed etc.Pat were I to need DCPC provision rest assured I would choose someone like you over something like this because knowing full well from many years in the business several things.
1, You get what you pay for
2, Always look after your own
3, Undercutting is backstabbing, regardless of motivations and the very thing that screws this industry. (although apparently this doesn’t count in some folks eyes)
I think you’re rather off the mark there. Yes I do feel for Pat and others that decided to go down the DCPC trainer route, but unfortunately this is life and often your best laid plans do not pan out as you’d hoped. This is a perfect example of that, but as I say, that’s life.
Regarding your 3 bullet points, I think you’re either being deliberately obtuse and not seeing the bigger picture or have some huge issue with Barrie, or both. I am no fan of Barrie for a number of reasons, mainly due to the fact he’s way out of touch with reality on a lot of things (London protesting, driver meetings etc) but that aside, the guy has been around a long time and is all round ‘good egg’ with good intentions in everything he does.
I think for once instead of ■■■■■■■■ and being at each other’s throats over it people should take a step back and look at the very generous offer he’s put on the table for everyone. I’m not up to speed on the current average prices of the full DCPC ‘ticket’ but from what I’ve read Barrie’s offer of £100 seems to be around 75% less. Now if it were me needing the DCPC to continue driving and I couldn’t get anyone else (company/agency etc) to pay for it, I’d be writing the cheque out now and sending it on its way, even if that does cost me an each tenner for not being a member of his site. So what if it costs me a few quid more for not being a member? 
He deserves to make a few quid out of it himself for putting the effort into getting the deal in the first place, which is still saving you hundreds. 
He’s got to pay £2500 up front himself to secure the course(s) which is why he’s asking for the payments up front. Would I trust him with my £100? Absolutely. As I said, he’s been around a long time and is a good guy (albeit somewhat annoying at times ) - your money will be perfectly safe imho.
Well done Barrie. Credit and respect to you. I think this is one ‘campaign’ that you won’t have any problems getting support for, or at least not from those with any intelligence anyway. Maybe you could come here and address some of other posts/questions/points raised by others.
Any nay-sayers, let’s hear your points…
My grip is the u turn, I do see where he’s coming from and why he’s planning it, but if he’s really doing for the good of the drivers then it should be the same price for all. Smacks of double standards to me. Also, I feel, he’s and his ‘hang up my keys before I do it’ brigade have just lost any credibility they may have previouly achieved.
I would argue it over there, but my posting rights are suspended.
RobK
I’m not entering into this ‘discussion’ out of respect for Rikki’s request and all the support for the Professional Drivers Foundation Charity we get from Trucknet and roadtransport.com. I certainly would’t put that at risk.
Can I ask therefore, that you use any generic trainer as an example and keep my name out of this please?
Pat
A hundred quid I’ll do it for a nifty, no, I’ll do it for free 
It’s a one step programme too…
Simply open your mouth…insert egg…and ■■■■…job done 
there are a lot of drivers that their bosses will not pay for the dcpc and that is fact.
so £100 is an absalute bargain. like has been mentioned already, it just goes to show that there are also people just to quick to jump on the bandwaggon and rip off drivers for what they can get .
i worked up untill easter for a firm in huddesfield, and ( rob k knows who i mean ) pays crap wages and will not pay for the driver cpc. my new employer will do it in house and is more relevent to the container
side.
remember that a lot of waggon drivers are not paid £700 a week. so its aimed at those people.
barrie is a campainer, and like me would like drivers treated better and with more respect.
the amount of threads on here saying things like, my boss wants us to pay for any damage etc etc is shocking, yet people allow their bosses to do it.
yes the driver cpc is a tax on the drivers and companys, but i do not see anyone else sticking up for us. do you.
i say well done barrie. lets hope it starts a price war with the training co’s.
Why don’t people consider doing something useful with their compulsory training? We are contemplating putting some (more) of our drivers through the ADR. At least then you’ve got something to show for your money, and can do something useful with it. And at least the training course might be (a bit) more interesting to sit through.
I appreciate not everyone needs an ADR. But you never know when your employer might go bust or have a downturn in work or you just fancy a move and you might be looking for that new job. It’s something to offer your potential new employer, that might just get you the job. Just a thought. (Of course if everybody did that, you wouldn’t have an advantage, but let’s face it, a lot of drivers would rather pay money to tick a box than learn something which might one day be useful.)
Helen Stevens:
Why don’t people consider doing something useful with their compulsory training? We are contemplating putting some (more) of our drivers through the ADR. At least then you’ve got something to show for your money, and can do something useful with it. And at least the training course might be (a bit) more interesting to sit through.I appreciate not everyone needs an ADR. But you never know when your employer might go bust or have a downturn in work or you just fancy a move and you might be looking for that new job. It’s something to offer your potential new employer, that might just get you the job. Just a thought. (Of course if everybody did that, you wouldn’t have an advantage, but let’s face it, a lot of drivers would rather pay money to tick a box than learn something which might one day be useful.)
Helen! Drivers will do ADR if they want to do that work! The £100.00 Dcpc course is about drivers being able to afford a course where there company refuses to pay! So the driver doesn’t get skanked for his/her hard-earned!
I’m one of the lucky ones who is in a job where all the drivers are sitting on company courses!
Why should drivers have to pay ripoff prices for the Dcpc?
There’s an old saying from my days in the Army- if you can’t win! Cheat! 
I gave ADR as an example. I daresay there are other options. A forklift course or something maybe?
Helen Stevens:
Why don’t people consider doing something useful with their compulsory training? We are contemplating putting some (more) of our drivers through the ADR. At least then you’ve got something to show for your money, and can do something useful with it. And at least the training course might be (a bit) more interesting to sit through.
The sensible drivers have probably done just that…
AlexWignall:
Helen Stevens:
Why don’t people consider doing something useful with their compulsory training? We are contemplating putting some (more) of our drivers through the ADR. At least then you’ve got something to show for your money, and can do something useful with it. And at least the training course might be (a bit) more interesting to sit through.The sensible drivers have probably done just that…
I already have ADR although I have had no cause to use it for several years, I have no desire to drive a fork lift truck, I can already use a hiab, and get so many inductions and training on the agency, it becomes a bit boring. I am against the DCPC in its current form, and if i do it, it is under protest (yes i will march if it goes ahead)> I am looking at getting out of the business by 2014, but if things don’t go the way i want them to, i may have to take on of these farcical courses, if thats the case, i will look around for the cheapest I can find. Also, even if i do find something useful that requires 14 or 21 hours towards the CPC, paying £100 to barrie for the other 2 days is still as cheap as i can get elsewhere.
Rob K:
billybigrig:
Regardless of any past quarrel with Pat, I do feel for her and many others on this. She, physically unable to drive full time, has chosen not to sit on the benefit train. Instead she has chosen to invest in herself and continue providing to her beloved industry by offering the compulsory training from someone who genuinely knows her stuff , having previously been there and done it. Yet wait … on the horizon comes someone offering to do what pays her bills at “non profit”/slim rates. Pat will be far from alone in this predicament. Many drivers with many years experience have done the same thing. They have mortgages to pay, kids to feed etc.Pat were I to need DCPC provision rest assured I would choose someone like you over something like this because knowing full well from many years in the business several things.
1, You get what you pay for
2, Always look after your own
3, Undercutting is backstabbing, regardless of motivations and the very thing that screws this industry. (although apparently this doesn’t count in some folks eyes)I think you’re rather off the mark there. Yes I do feel for Pat and others that decided to go down the DCPC trainer route, but unfortunately this is life and often your best laid plans do not pan out as you’d hoped. This is a perfect example of that, but as I say, that’s life.
Regarding your 3 bullet points, I think you’re either being deliberately obtuse and not seeing the bigger picture or have some huge issue with Barrie, or both. I am no fan of Barrie for a number of reasons, mainly due to the fact he’s way out of touch with reality on a lot of things (London protesting, driver meetings etc) but that aside, the guy has been around a long time and is all round ‘good egg’ with good intentions in everything he does.
I think for once instead of ■■■■■■■■ and being at each other’s throats over it people should take a step back and look at the very generous offer he’s put on the table for everyone. I’m not up to speed on the current average prices of the full DCPC ‘ticket’ but from what I’ve read Barrie’s offer of £100 seems to be around 75% less. Now if it were me needing the DCPC to continue driving and I couldn’t get anyone else (company/agency etc) to pay for it, I’d be writing the cheque out now and sending it on its way, even if that does cost me an each tenner for not being a member of his site. So what if it costs me a few quid more for not being a member?
Well done Barrie. Credit and respect to you. I think this is one ‘campaign’ that you won’t have any problems getting support for, or at least not from those with any intelligence anyway. Maybe you could come here and address some of other posts/questions/points raised by others.
Any nay-sayers, let’s hear your points…
Can’t disagree with any of that^
Helen Stevens:
I gave ADR as an example. I daresay there are other options. A forklift course or something maybe?
Nah, fork-lift driving is just go karting with a bit of Tetris thrown in, wouldn’t take 7 hours to learn to do that.
Coffeeholic:
Helen Stevens:
I gave ADR as an example. I daresay there are other options. A forklift course or something maybe?Nah, fork-lift driving is just go karting with a bit of Tetris thrown in, wouldn’t take 7 hours to learn to do that.
Be honest Herr Holic, you wouldn’t drive a forklift due to it’s lack of cupholders
So basically taking Barries Offer of £100 per person, (Sorry I aint been to his site to see the full details)
Lets say 12 people attend the course @ £100 each = £1200 Less Tax payable to the ConDems
Thats still a reasonable profit after wages etc
So just how much are the other companies makeing with their £250 + courses?
In my opinion, good on him, personally I’ve given up driving so I wont be needing it, but lets face it, some companies are just simply looking for the overall profit at the end of the day with the extortionate fees.
He doesn’t go in to detail even on the TW thread, but the mention of the £2500 up front + the mention of 5 different trainers around the country tends to suggest to me that each trainer is charging roughly £500 to teach a classroom of min 5 people, which is where the £100/head comes from. I could be completely and/or way off the mark, but that’s the general idea I get it. 
Coffeeholic:
Helen Stevens:
I gave ADR as an example. I daresay there are other options. A forklift course or something maybe?Nah, fork-lift driving is just go karting with a bit of Tetris thrown in, wouldn’t take 7 hours to learn to do that.
PMSL .
Rob K:
billybigrig:
Regardless of any past quarrel with Pat, I do feel for her and many others on this. She, physically unable to drive full time, has chosen not to sit on the benefit train. Instead she has chosen to invest in herself and continue providing to her beloved industry by offering the compulsory training from someone who genuinely knows her stuff , having previously been there and done it. Yet wait … on the horizon comes someone offering to do what pays her bills at “non profit”/slim rates. Pat will be far from alone in this predicament. Many drivers with many years experience have done the same thing. They have mortgages to pay, kids to feed etc.Pat were I to need DCPC provision rest assured I would choose someone like you over something like this because knowing full well from many years in the business several things.
1, You get what you pay for
2, Always look after your own
3, Undercutting is backstabbing, regardless of motivations and the very thing that screws this industry. (although apparently this doesn’t count in some folks eyes)I think you’re rather off the mark there. Yes I do feel for Pat and others that decided to go down the DCPC trainer route, but unfortunately this is life and often your best laid plans do not pan out as you’d hoped. This is a perfect example of that, but as I say, that’s life.
Of course that’s life within the free market economy, Rob. There is widespread condemnation when cheap labour takes driver jobs away or another factory closes to move east, both on this site and the other one. An owner driver drags boxes around for XYZ shipping lines for “quid a mile and a mars bar” because he chooses to and can afford to do even though his return is poor. He does it for the enjoyment and the pride of keeping the wheels of the country turning (and possibly the spotlights and sidepipes). Meanwhile a fulltime XYZ shipping driver on a good screw looses his job to this philanthropic knight of the road. Free market economy at work, yes, but how many ranting and raving posts would that provoke on here and elsewhere. Basically without being to “obtuse” for you see point 3 again
Regarding your 3 bullet points, I think you’re either being deliberately obtuse and not seeing the bigger picture or have some huge issue with Barrie, or both. I am no fan of Barrie for a number of reasons, mainly due to the fact he’s way out of touch with reality on a lot of things (London protesting, driver meetings etc) but that aside, the guy has been around a long time and is all round ‘good egg’ with good intentions in everything he does.
Not the case Rob. You are the one who has expressed an opinion on a named individual. I have no issue with this chap personally just the issue itself. As I stated above Pat and I have been firmly at opposing ends of subjects before now yet on this issue I am supporting her side fully. I appreciate her candor and respect her decision to not be drawn into public debate for genuine reasons
I think for once instead of ■■■■■■■■ and being at each other’s throats over it people should take a step back and look at the very generous offer he’s put on the table for everyone. I’m not up to speed on the current average prices of the full DCPC ‘ticket’ but from what I’ve read Barrie’s offer of £100 seems to be around 75% less. Now if it were me needing the DCPC to continue driving and I couldn’t get anyone else (company/agency etc) to pay for it, I’d be writing the cheque out now and sending it on its way, even if that does cost me an each tenner for not being a member of his site. So what if it costs me a few quid more for not being a member?
Well done Barrie. Credit and respect to you. I think this is one ‘campaign’ that you won’t have any problems getting support for, or at least not from those with any intelligence anyway. Maybe you could come here and address some of other posts/questions/points raised by others.
I’m not entirely sure that’s a fair thing Rob. You wouldn’t really expect any man to publish his business costs online, in public, would you ■■
There are enough facts in the public domain that, with some simple maths, allow a good estimateUpload cost
Buying or writing/getting a course approved
Registration of trainer/s
Registration of training centre
Provision of teaching materials
Wages for the trainer/s
etc etcObviously there are “shortcuts” and “umbrella” type options whose costs vary according to volume etc
Any nay-sayers, let’s hear your points…
If this actually comes off and some drivers get a benefit from it then that is a good thing, without doubt, and I wish Barry all the best with his new business venture 
My own opinion is that only in the land of the most simplistic thinking could this be done for anywhere near that price. Especially to be done correctly, legally and legitimately. If something seems way to cheap it’s usually for good reason.