Ever had a risk assessment Okey? 
chippy:
Ever had a risk assessment Okey?
Yes plenty,
I work in a very safety conciuos enviroment full PPE at all times and I’m constantly assessed and never had one complaint from any assesor and ifg I take him out on the road I drive as I normally drive.
Poor soul noodles got a bit of a fright from the bnig bad lorry driver and wants everyone to know how naughty he is.
Welcome to the real world, some drivers can actually drive very safely a little over the speed limit, doesn’t mean to say they drive like that all the time, they drive to the road conditions, probably because of their vast experiance.
I’ve been driving nearly 20 years, 4/5 of which in HGV 1 and 2, I stick to the speed limits for the sake of my licence, livliehood and safety, if I annoy other drivers because of it then so what.
There are two things I know about my driving, number 1. I know I am not the best driver on the road. number 2. I KNOW I am not the worst, because I see some of them every day.
And if it were not for people like Rog teaching people how to pass a test then where would the young blood come from. As far as I am concerned driving is a never ending learning curve.
BRMJack:
I’ve been driving nearly 20 years, 4/5 of which in HGV 1 and 2, I stick to the speed limits for the sake of my licence, livliehood and safety, if I annoy other drivers because of it then so what.There are two things I know about my driving, number 1. I know I am not the best driver on the road. number 2. I KNOW I am not the worst, because I see some of them every day.
And if it were not for people like Rog teaching people how to pass a test then where would the young blood come from. As far as I am concerned driving is a never ending learning curve.
There you go 4/5 years
I’ve been driving class 1 for 22 years yes I’m still learning but not as much.
If you want to drive at the speed limits go ahead but don’t be surprised if a more experianced, more skillfull, more aware driver overtakes you.
But the worst thing you can do is come on here expecting sympathy from everybody, because your not going to get it.
Noodles:
…Any other stories out there to back mine up…
Don’t think this backs your story up but heres another common story.
You get paid a salary, you are on day 6 Friday night, you have got to get a boat. Normally you have loads of time but RDC messed you around, theres been a crash on the motorway now its becoming tight. If you can cruise that last 90miles on a single carriageway at 50mph you will make your boat. If you miss your booking you may not even get on the next boat it maybe fully booked. Suddenly realistic prospect of spending a large part of the weekend stuck in a truck rather than at home.
But you come up upon mr paid by the hour, trundling along at more than likely 35mph, you have a decent motor over 500hp only carrying about 25tons, you get to a straight bit of road, nothing coming you floor it get past him easily.
Doing this your a complete nutter, dangerous driver. Even the police agree.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
many drivers don’t want to sit at exactly 40mph on a road that is safe enough to go 50 on, some find it rather boring sitting behind a goody 2 shoes doing the same speed for mile after mile.
If it had been me I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past, it’s drivers like you who cause accidents by frustrating the very long queue of cars and trucks behind you.Some of us drivers have been driving a very long time and can judge the speed that a road can be driven along and don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny who takes the law so seriously.
A days work can be long enough without some fanny making it longer by travelling for forty or fifty miles at 40mph, if you want to drive at the speed limit go drive a bus
Then there is the other side of the coin.
Those responsible, safe & legal drivers who took on the job knowing the rules that come with it and continue to follow those safe principals much to the frustration of those who are determined to invoke thier own set of rules.
Boring
Why
- please explain
You have all these qualifications, so you think your a little (or a lot) better than most drivers on here.
Where have all these qualifications got you? Unemployed!
It’s boring because of the self righteous answer you gave.
Good driving can’t be learnt or taught, it’s a natural talent.
All an instructor can do is teach someone to pass a test, they can’t teach the skills to really control a large vehicle.
The human condition makes it so we want rto do things differently to one another, I for one don’t want to stick behind a boring driver doing 40 mph on a long straight stretch of road when I can safely overtake, if his lack of expriance, skill or confidence makes him feel he has to brake when the trailer goes past him it’s not my problem.HGV Class 1
22 years experiance
EMPLOYED CLASS 1 DRIVER
Where do I start…
Unemployed - nothing to do with qualifications
You did not give a reason for why it is boring to be a safe & legal driver.
Good driving can be taught and learnt - I do it all the time with my advanced driving associates - but they WANT to be better drivers.
This instructor can teach on-road LGV to an advanced level - if the trainee wants to spend the time & money to do so.
The human condition is only what each of us makes it.
If a driver ‘believes’ it is boring to do something then nothing will change unles that driver is prepared to look closely at their own beliefs.
If a driver had to brake because there was a likelyhood of an incident then that driver reacted correctly to avoid the possibility - prevention and good forward planning was used.
Did I miss owt
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
chippy:
Ever had a risk assessment Okey?Yes plenty,
I work in a very safety conciuos enviroment full PPE at all times and I’m constantly assessed and never had one complaint from any assesor and ifg I take him out on the road I drive as I normally drive.
Poor soul noodles got a bit of a fright from the bnig bad lorry driver and wants everyone to know how naughty he is.
Welcome to the real world, some drivers can actually drive very safely a little over the speed limit, doesn’t mean to say they drive like that all the time, they drive to the road conditions, probably because of their vast experiance.
But Okey your last paragraph states you break the legal speed limit,and your first says you drive on a assessment like you normally do.
Would not the assessor pick you up on speeding as you quite clearly state you do . Is it a case of driving one way with the assessor then driving your own way when left to it?
Tell me if I am wrong here but speeding on a assessment would quite clearly be of serious concern to the assessor.
chippy:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
chippy:
Ever had a risk assessment Okey?Yes plenty,
I work in a very safety conciuos enviroment full PPE at all times and I’m constantly assessed and never had one complaint from any assesor and ifg I take him out on the road I drive as I normally drive.
Poor soul noodles got a bit of a fright from the bnig bad lorry driver and wants everyone to know how naughty he is.
Welcome to the real world, some drivers can actually drive very safely a little over the speed limit, doesn’t mean to say they drive like that all the time, they drive to the road conditions, probably because of their vast experiance.
But Okey your last paragraph states you break the legal speed limit,and your first says you drive on a assessment like you normally do.
Would not the assessor pick you up on speeding as you quite clearly state you do . Is it a case of driving one way with the assessor then driving your own way when left to it?
Tell me if I am wrong here but speeding on a assessment would quite clearly be of serious concern to the assessor.
The assesor takes my driving in general, awarness being an important part of the assesment, driving to the road conditions is another. if a roads condition makes it that I have to drive to the speed limits then I do. if road allows for a little over the limit then I do, if I need to overtake to make progress and it is safe to do so then I do.
Overtaking someone doesn’t make me a bad driver, I think it makes me a good driver for being able to read a road and asses that it is safe to overtake someone
Okey.I take it that you are talking about single carriageway A roads in regard to overtaking? As you know the two basic rules apply. Is it safe. is it legal.
What do you think the consequenses of being caught for not adhering to those two rules have on your on your present and future employment?
chippy:
Okey.I take it that you are talking about single carriageway A roads in regard to overtaking? As you know the two basic rules apply. Is it safe. is it legal.What do you think the consequenses of being caught for not adhering to those two rules have on your on your present and future employment?
None whatsoever, people ask me to come and drive for them not the other way round.
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
many drivers don’t want to sit at exactly 40mph on a road that is safe enough to go 50 on, some find it rather boring sitting behind a goody 2 shoes doing the same speed for mile after mile.
If it had been me I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past, it’s drivers like you who cause accidents by frustrating the very long queue of cars and trucks behind you.Some of us drivers have been driving a very long time and can judge the speed that a road can be driven along and don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny who takes the law so seriously.
A days work can be long enough without some fanny making it longer by travelling for forty or fifty miles at 40mph, if you want to drive at the speed limit go drive a bus
Then there is the other side of the coin.
Those responsible, safe & legal drivers who took on the job knowing the rules that come with it and continue to follow those safe principals much to the frustration of those who are determined to invoke thier own set of rules.
Boring
Why
You have all these qualifications, so you think your a little (or a lot) better than most drivers on here.
Where have all these qualifications got you? Unemployed!
It’s boring because of the self righteous answer you gave.
Good driving can’t be learnt or taught, it’s a natural talent.
All an instructor can do is teach someone to pass a test, they can’t teach the skills to really control a large vehicle.
The human condition makes it so we want rto do things differently to one another, I for one don’t want to stick behind a boring driver doing 40 mph on a long straight stretch of road when I can safely overtake, if his lack of expriance, skill or confidence makes him feel he has to brake when the trailer goes past him it’s not my problem.HGV Class 1
22 years experiance
EMPLOYED CLASS 1 DRIVER
Unemployed - nothing to do with qualifications
You did not give a reason for why it is boring to be a safe & legal driver.
Good driving can be taught and learnt - I do it all the time with my advanced driving associates - but they WANT to be better drivers.
This instructor can teach on-road LGV to an advanced level - if the trainee wants to spend the time & money to do so.
The human condition is only what each of us makes it.
If a driver ‘believes’ it is boring to do something then nothing will change unles that driver is prepared to look closely at their own beliefs.
If a driver had to brake because there was a likelyhood of an incident then that driver reacted correctly to avoid the possibility - prevention and good forward planning was used.
Did I miss owt
right, IAM a self promoting self governing body that says it’s way is the best, I drive to an advanced level without the ■■■■■■■■ that they spew.
What I said was boring was the self righteous crap you spew day in day out, what makes you better than me because you’ve sat a test that as no bearing on the road conditions of today. Apart from you being an instructor, what experiance do you have of driving trucks.
The driver probably braked because he was scared that such a good driver was passing him and didn’t have the cfonfidence to have faith in probably a more experianced driver.
who says your way of driving is better only you.
so why are you unemployed then?
I haven’t got all those qualificatiopns and the only time I’m unemloyed is when I want to be.
As I said ROG your boring
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…many drivers don’t want to sit at exactly 40mph on a road that is safe enough to go 50 on…’
Safe for whom? Then maybe consider: Staying at home; learning to cope or getting a grip on us all being individual teeth, rubbing along with poor national leadership in a giant, snarled-up cog.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…some find it rather boring sitting behind a goody 2 shoes doing the same speed for mile after mile…’
Oh dear, see above.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…If it had been me I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past…’
…and keep the rudeness to oneself…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…it’s drivers like you who cause accidents by frustrating the very long queue of cars and trucks behind you…’
Whilst the ‘poor-at-coping’ are blameless in their, ad-hoc & angry risk assessments, I suppose…?
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Some of us drivers have been driving a very long time and can judge the speed that a road can be driven along and don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny who takes the law so seriously…’
Probably explaining why pedestrians are alienated, potential cyclists pessimistic & parents feel unable to allow off-spring near a road on a bike.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…A days work can be long enough without some fanny making it longer by travelling for forty or fifty miles at 40mph…’
Somebody is due a job change, mate…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Good driving can’t be learnt or taught, it’s a natural talent…’
Priceless …what credible authority sanctions that nugget of nonsense…? Getting away with being antisocial it isn’t a skill …it’s symptomatic of poor national governance over a pack-herd of stressed-out & anxious ‘win-at-all-costs’ sheep.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
HGV Class 1
22 years experiance
EMPLOYED CLASS 1 DRIVER
No claim of ‘professionalism’ …how appropriate.
A licence is a priveledge …not a right …or am I unqualified having only C+E for eight years, class 2 and IAM membership only 15 years, motorcyclist only 31 years …with safe driving experience on four continents, never being unemployed nor ever having a motoring endorsement on my licence?
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…As I said ROG your boring…’
Apart from you writing it (unless one rants at the keyboard as well as the windscreen), someone here is a rude, ill informed & iliterate liability, mate…
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Happy Keith:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…many drivers don’t want to sit at exactly 40mph on a road that is safe enough to go 50 on…’Safe for whom? Then maybe consider: Staying at home; learning to cope or getting a grip on us all being individual teeth, rubbing along with poor national leadership in a giant, snarled-up cog.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…some find it rather boring sitting behind a goody 2 shoes doing the same speed for mile after mile…’Oh dear, see above.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…If it had been me I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past…’…and keep the rudeness to oneself…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…it’s drivers like you who cause accidents by frustrating the very long queue of cars and trucks behind you…’Whilst the ‘poor-at-coping’ are blameless in their, ad-hoc & angry risk assessments, I suppose…?
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Some of us drivers have been driving a very long time and can judge the speed that a road can be driven along and don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny who takes the law so seriously…’Probably explaining why pedestrians are alienated, potential cyclists pessimistic & parents feel unable to allow off-spring near a road on a bike.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…A days work can be long enough without some fanny making it longer by travelling for forty or fifty miles at 40mph…’Somebody is due a job change, mate…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Good driving can’t be learnt or taught, it’s a natural talent…’Priceless …what credible authority sanctions that nugget of nonsense…? Getting away with being antisocial it isn’t a skill …it’s symptomatic of poor national governance over a pack-herd of stressed-out & anxious ‘win-at-all-costs’ sheep.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
HGV Class 1
22 years experiance
EMPLOYED CLASS 1 DRIVERNo claim of ‘professionalism’ …how appropriate.
A licence is a priveledge …not a right …or am I unqualified having only C+E for eight years, class 2 and IAM membership only 15 years, motorcyclist only 31 years …with safe driving experience on four continents, never being unemployed nor ever having a motoring endorsement on my licence?
Another IAM driver, overbearing condescending and probably wears a flat cap for his sunday drive.
I drive safely, curteously and am very aware of my surroundings, I have a clean accident free driving record and am capable of overtaking someone on a straight stretch of road if I believe the driver in front is going to slow. If the driver being passed panniced then that is down to bad training on the part of the instructor.
And you believe the propaganda that a licence is a privelege, well I don’t I worked hard for my licence and my experiance and as for rude, I may not have the elloquence that some have but I have an opinion that is as valid as the next mans.
Only some self righteous prats think that their opinion is the only one. Now that is what I call RUDE
And what may I ask is proffesionalism. If 22 years accident and endorsement free is proffessional then yes I have a lot of that.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
who says your way of driving is better only you.
The EXPERTS - world class police class 1 driver examiners - you’ll probably have some excuse to try and quash that 
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
so why are you unemployed then?
No suitable employment opportunities in my field in my area - bad back prevents a ‘normal’ truck job - can drive for hours but pull a curtain side open and be off for days - no-one wants a ‘steering wheel attendant’
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
As I said ROG your boring
Only because it goes against your ‘beliefs’ 
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Another IAM driver, overbearing condescending and probably wears a flat cap for his sunday drive…’
Wrong …and stereotypically predictable, yawn.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…I drive safely, curteously and am very aware of my surroundings, I have a clean accident free driving record and am capable of overtaking someone on a straight stretch of road if I believe the driver in front is going to slow…’
Have noticed that it’s a lot of me, I, me, me, me …with a six-shooter.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…And you believe the propaganda that a licence is a privelege, well I don’t I worked hard for my licence and my experiance and as for rude, I may not have the elloquence that some have but I have an opinion that is as valid as the next mans…’
a). More me, me, me.
b). Cyclists and horse riders have rights to the road, for the rest it is a licenced priveledge. I don’t make the law…
c). Bingo, who argued above that ‘…Good driving can’t be learnt or taught, it’s a natural talent…’? Now who’s reckoning ‘…I worked hard for my licence…’ Maybe all that talent bursting through has exposed a flaw? Gonna keep digging…?
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…Only some self righteous prats think that their opinion is the only one…’
Opinion versus Highway Code …no debate, mate.
Well, strange as it may seem I’m with Okey on this one, up to the point of getting annoyed with people wanting to preserve their licence by obeying speed limits that is.
I too am sick to death of instructors who confuse what they teach as ‘safe driving’ when in fact they are teaching people to pass a test. Not necessarily the same thing at all.
The same goes for the crappy differential speed limits arbitrarily imposed on professional drivers. The experience I recounted above with the Belgian could have been avoided with more realistic blanket speed limits on that particular road. As I said then, I have no arguement with those who choose to break an unreasonable law, only with their anger when it is directed towards those who choose not to.
Okey.I do hope you come to your senses when driving before it’s too late.
Just because you have not had a crash means nothing. As I say to my clients on fleet with attitude and high risk tendency( coaching company/van drivers) “You have been lucky but luck runs out.”
DSA ADI Fleet rgistered IAM fleet risk consultant, LGV 20 years.
and I don’t wear a flat cap or drink bitter
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
many drivers don’t want to sit at exactly 40mph on a road that is safe enough to go 50 on, some find it rather boring sitting behind a goody 2 shoes doing the same speed for mile after mile.
If it had been me I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past, it’s drivers like you who cause accidents by frustrating the very long queue of cars and trucks behind you.Some of us drivers have been driving a very long time and can judge the speed that a road can be driven along and don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny who takes the law so seriously.
A days work can be long enough without some fanny making it longer by travelling for forty or fifty miles at 40mph, if you want to drive at the speed limit go drive a bus
Do you know what i do when i get behind a slow driver and i canot over take him and i want to save my time?
i will pull over in a layby and make a cup of tea.