ROG:
Perhaps bad drivers should have their errors SPELT out to them
ayup rog,would this also include those that sit at 35-38mph on single roads,then when road opens up to dual,they floor it to 56mph so ya can’t pass em???they do very much exist,especially on a17,usually “generic” supermarket hauliers…anybody else experienced this?
been forced onto the hard shoulder twice in the past three weeks! artics putting indicator on and pulling in while level with door which is quite bad when theres a car stuck an extra metre on the peak!!! my motor only does 53 so there going past quick as well! argos yesterday and gregory’s 3 weeks ago. he was that dangerous i reported him to his TM. he did he same to a petrol tanker further up the road! also while i’m at it…what seems to be the problem with using the orange flashy things nowadays?? not into this game of guess where i’m going on the roundabout!!
forgot to say…i’m da bestest!!
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
BRMJack:
I’ve been driving nearly 20 years, 4/5 of which in HGV 1 and 2, I stick to the speed limits for the sake of my licence, livliehood and safety, if I annoy other drivers because of it then so what.There are two things I know about my driving, number 1. I know I am not the best driver on the road. number 2. I KNOW I am not the worst, because I see some of them every day.
And if it were not for people like Rog teaching people how to pass a test then where would the young blood come from. As far as I am concerned driving is a never ending learning curve.
There you go 4/5 years
I’ve been driving class 1 for 22 years yes I’m still learning but not as much.
If you want to drive at the speed limits go ahead but don’t be surprised if a more experianced, more skillfull, more aware driver overtakes you.But the worst thing you can do is come on here expecting sympathy from everybody, because your not going to get it.
I’m not after sympathy from anybody, I stick to the prescribed limit because these so called safety cameras are everywhere and I don’t want points on my licence, and if a driver wants to overtake me then I will move over slightly and slow down a little so they can pass in relative safety.
I am an experianced, skilfull and an aware driver, and yes there are people out there better than me, but on the other hand there are worse drivers than me.
truckermarcus:
forgot to say…i’m da bestest!!
OK, all bickering aside, what qualifies as a bad driver?
And as one or two have said, they know they aren’t the worst drivers? What makes you qualified to judge?
truckermarcus:
forgot to say…i’m da bestest!!
immpossible cause i am betterer
MR VAIN:
OK, all bickering aside, what qualifies as a bad driver?And as one or two have said, they know they aren’t the worst drivers? What makes
you qualified to judge?
Aren’t we all bad drivers, just some drive worse than others
What makes you qualified to judge is that if you see something that you think is bad driving then it is.
It does not matter one jot if you have been driving for 1 year or 40 years, we all learn something new every day and we still all ■■■■ up now and again
andy bilton:
ROG:
Perhaps bad drivers should have their errors SPELT out to themayup rog,would this also include those that sit at 35-38mph on single roads,then when road opens up to dual,they floor it to 56mph so ya can’t pass em■■?
I only meant this as a pun - someone was commenting on another members spelling
right we all have differing opinions to good or bad driving, some like to get there some like to sit at the speed limit getting nowhere.
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.
I have met many drivers over the years and the great majority are of the same opinion, so either the drivers on here are not telling the truth about their attitude to driving LGV’s or the minority of goody 2 shoes frequent this site.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph on a single carraigeway is more likely to cause an accident by drivers getting frustrated than if the traffic was travvelling at 50mph.
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, even IAM instructors do the same, and who’s say so is a IAM driver better than a lot of drivers on here with a wealth of experiance.
Okey-Didley-Dokely makes much sense in many regards and I’m sure he’s alright really.
But spouting this stuff…?
‘…the minority of goody 2 shoes…’
‘…it’s drivers like you…’
‘…Another IAM driver, overbearing condescending and probably wears a flat cap…’
‘…As I said *** your boring …’
‘…I would have given you the nescafe sign as I drove past…’
‘…don’t want to be stuck behind some fanny …’
‘…some self righteous prats …’
‘…crap you spew day in day out…’
And…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
‘…I have an opinion…’
Lorry driver’s courtesy is another debate …but to consistently justify admitting the inadmissable on a sensitive thread entitled ‘Dangerous Drivers’ in such a way on a public site…? Please…!
Crack-on, lad: See you next Tuesday, oke’s…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, even IAM instructors do the same, and who’s say so is a IAM driver better than a lot of drivers on here with a wealth of experiance.
True, in general, for the DSA tests.
Not true I’m afraid on the IAM point - the idea is not to pass a test - sounds crazy but true.
The idea of advanced driving is to learn a different system of driving which, in turn, creates a safer driver.
I have had a few associates who learnt the system and became safer, better drivers but never took the test - so what 
- they are now safer & better drivers who are on our roads 
Is an IAM driver a better driver than those on here? - I don’t know - I would have to be in the passenger seat for a while to determine that.
Certainly, there will be differences in the types of experience but that is not what advanced driving is about. It is about the attitude, style & manner of general on-road driving to which the IPSGA system is designed to enhance.
There will be drivers on here who have great attitude, style & manner of general on-road driving but do not consciously follow the AD system but may still be doing it - or very similar.
The easiest associates that I have had in the past have been LGV drivers - why - because, in general, they have a greater understanding of what can happen out there on the roads as well as subconsciously following a safe system - it might not be EXACTLY the IPSGA one but it is usually very close to it.
Another point - the DSA don’t like the AD system in general as it throws out a lot of what they teach & examine for.
When instructing for LGV, I use the AD skills for anticipation & observation but teach the DSA methodology - it does get fun when doing demo drives as I have to remember which type of drive I am demonstrating and not mix the two styles as it could confuse trainees
To get a better understanding of driver progresion including attitude & beliefs, then a read of the book ‘Mind Driving’ by Stephen Haley is a must.
From the book ‘Mind Driving’ … - sorry about the small writing - increase page % to read better 
See you next Tuesday, oke’s…
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Okey-Didley-Dokely:
See you next Tuesday, oke’s…[/
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Over his head…
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.Bending the law is still breaking the law. The above statement shows a disreguard of road law.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph
But it has not happend yet. So the law still stands
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, /quote]
Instructors teach you how to drive and pass a test because that’s the way it is.
The standard reached to pass a driving test is very high and this is how the government wish you to drive.
After two years experience as a driver you usually stay as you are, go downhill
or seek training to better yourself. So after 2 years you will have little or no chance of passing a basic driving test.
I have taken countless taxi drivers out for training before a DSA test ,most of them are dangerous ,have no idea,costantly breaking the speed limit ,tailgating ,no useof MSM and many other faults. They have usually taken the test before training and have failed, not by a whisker but with lots of minor faults and more serious faults.
The examiners are stunned that these drivers are let loose to drive the public about.
chippy:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.Bending the law is still breaking the law. The above statement shows a disreguard of road law.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph
But it has not happend yet. So the law still stands
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, /quote]
Instructors teach you how to drive and pass a test because that’s the way it is.
The standard reached to pass a driving test is very high and this is how the government wish you to drive.
After two years experience as a driver you usually stay as you are, go downhill
or seek training to better yourself. So after 2 years you will have little or no chance of passing a basic driving test.
I have taken countless taxi drivers out for training before a DSA test ,most of them are dangerous ,have no idea,costantly breaking the speed limit ,tailgating ,no useof MSM and many other faults. They have usually taken the test before training and have failed, not by a whisker but with lots of minor faults and more serious faults.
The examiners are stunned that these drivers are let loose to drive the public about.
The DSA or the govrnment should raise the standard of driving then.
My driving and trhat of most hgv drivers after passing their test goes to a different level, it hjas to because of all the incompetent drivers on the road that DSA instructors have taught to drive.
Because of the basicness of the driving test and the lack of real driver training, most car drivers are not aware of what is actually going on around them so proffessional drivers have to compensate for them.
Just because something is law doesn’t mean it’s right.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
chippy:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.Bending the law is still breaking the law. The above statement shows a disreguard of road law.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph
But it has not happend yet. So the law still stands
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, /quote]
Instructors teach you how to drive and pass a test because that’s the way it is.
The standard reached to pass a driving test is very high and this is how the government wish you to drive.
After two years experience as a driver you usually stay as you are, go downhill
or seek training to better yourself. So after 2 years you will have little or no chance of passing a basic driving test.
I have taken countless taxi drivers out for training before a DSA test ,most of them are dangerous ,have no idea,costantly breaking the speed limit ,tailgating ,no useof MSM and many other faults. They have usually taken the test before training and have failed, not by a whisker but with lots of minor faults and more serious faults.
The examiners are stunned that these drivers are let loose to drive the public about.
The DSA or the govrnment should raise the standard of driving then.
My driving and trhat of most hgv drivers after passing their test goes to a different level, it hjas to because of all the incompetent drivers on the road that DSA instructors have taught to drive.
Because of the basicness of the driving test and the lack of real driver training, most car drivers are not aware of what is actually going on around them so proffessional drivers have to compensate for them.
Just because something is law doesn’t mean it’s right.
You REALLY need to read ‘Mind Driving’ - not only will it enlighten you to the what, why and how of driver thinking but it will show how humans learn - go on, treat yourself
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
chippy:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.Bending the law is still breaking the law. The above statement shows a disreguard of road law.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph
But it has not happend yet. So the law still stands
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, /quote]
Instructors teach you how to drive and pass a test because that’s the way it is.
The standard reached to pass a driving test is very high and this is how the government wish you to drive.
After two years experience as a driver you usually stay as you are, go downhill
or seek training to better yourself. So after 2 years you will have little or no chance of passing a basic driving test.
I have taken countless taxi drivers out for training before a DSA test ,most of them are dangerous ,have no idea,costantly breaking the speed limit ,tailgating ,no useof MSM and many other faults. They have usually taken the test before training and have failed, not by a whisker but with lots of minor faults and more serious faults.
The examiners are stunned that these drivers are let loose to drive the public about.
The DSA or the govrnment should raise the standard of driving then.
My driving and trhat of most hgv drivers after passing their test goes to a different level, it hjas to because of all the incompetent drivers on the road that DSA instructors have taught to drive.
Because of the basicness of the driving test and the lack of real driver training, most car drivers are not aware of what is actually going on around them so proffessional drivers have to compensate for them.
Just because something is law doesn’t mean it’s right.
You REALLY need to read ‘Mind Driving’ - not only will it enlighten you to the what, why and how of driver thinking but it will show how humans learn - go on, treat yourself
Another your really crap at what you do book read this and it will change your life forever, give me a break.
andy bilton:
ROG:
Perhaps bad drivers should have their errors SPELT out to themayup rog,would this also include those that sit at 35-38mph on single roads,then when road opens up to dual,they floor it to 56mph so ya can’t pass em???they do very much exist,especially on a17,usually “generic” supermarket hauliers…anybody else experienced this?
My main single carriageway routes are the A75 and the A9.
Maybe different attitude different parts of the country, but i can’t really fault most supermarket trucks on these roads.
These guys are forced to do 40mph on single carraigeway routes. On the A75 quite a lot of them will pull into a layby and let other trucks get past them, espec if the boats come in and there is a large convoy of trucks behind them. Generally they are pretty good for that, same with the A9 seen a few Tesco trucks on straight bit of road slow right and to let you get past them. Never had one try speed up on me when it becomes a dual carriageway.
Infact the opposite on a lot of dual carriageway roads, the supermarket truck keeping the speed right down to let everyone get past, espec when its only maybe a mile of dual carriageway.
I have however seen lots of trucks doing general haulage drive slowly on single carriageway roads then speed up for a few miles of dual carriageway before it goes back to single carriageway.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
chippy:
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
how can someone be lucky for 22 years, it’s skillfull driving not luck that as kept me accident and point free for this long, knowing when and when not to bend the law.Bending the law is still breaking the law. The above statement shows a disreguard of road law.
The 40 mph speed limit was introduced for HGV’s inm the 70’s due to a fuel shortage, nothing to do with safety, they just never been changed back, police traffic officers want them cvhanged because a queue of traffic that is allowed to go 60 mph
But it has not happend yet. So the law still stands
Instructors teach yoiu to pass a test, they don’t teach you how to drive, /quote]
Instructors teach you how to drive and pass a test because that’s the way it is.
The standard reached to pass a driving test is very high and this is how the government wish you to drive.
After two years experience as a driver you usually stay as you are, go downhill
or seek training to better yourself. So after 2 years you will have little or no chance of passing a basic driving test.
I have taken countless taxi drivers out for training before a DSA test ,most of them are dangerous ,have no idea,costantly breaking the speed limit ,tailgating ,no useof MSM and many other faults. They have usually taken the test before training and have failed, not by a whisker but with lots of minor faults and more serious faults.
The examiners are stunned that these drivers are let loose to drive the public about.
The DSA or the govrnment should raise the standard of driving then.
My driving and trhat of most hgv drivers after passing their test goes to a different level, it hjas to because of all the incompetent drivers on the road that DSA instructors have taught to drive.
Because of the basicness of the driving test and the lack of real driver training, most car drivers are not aware of what is actually going on around them so proffessional drivers have to compensate for them.
Just because something is law doesn’t mean it’s right.
You REALLY need to read ‘Mind Driving’ - not only will it enlighten you to the what, why and how of driver thinking but it will show how humans learn - go on, treat yourself
Another your really crap at what you do book read this and it will change your life forever, give me a break.
In fact Okey it did just that.
Yet again I must point out a very high standard of driving competence,and road law has to be shown for someone to pass a driving test. Experience can and does cause problems.
The book Rog refers to is by far the best book on driving and how the brain works when driving that I have come accross. Every driver should read it.