Deeireland:
If a judge sees 15 mins check rather than 5mins.
It may be they difference between freedom and imprisonment after you lost the vehicle and ran into a bus stop full of people.
It’s about covering your ■■■.
Anyway what’s the rush ? show 15 have a coffee,have a stretch,have a smoke and away you go.
Complete and utter cack.
If your vehicle is unroadworthy, and your scenario happens, it doesn’t matter if you have spent 5 or 15 minutes, you haven’t done it properly!
Quality, not quantity.
Bollox.
What do you check then ?
Bearings,ball joints ,axle ubolts ,re torque the bolts on your 5th wheel?
You check the things on here.
As there is no requirement laid down as to how long a daily check should take, no judge could direct a jury that you haven’t taken long enough, only that you haven’t followed the procedures for checking a vehicle.
F-reds:
Complete and utter cack.If your vehicle is unroadworthy, and your scenario happens, it doesn’t matter if you have spent 5 or 15 minutes, you haven’t done it properly!
Quality, not quantity.
Who defines the quality of my walk ‘a’ round?
Should my walk ‘a’ round be compared to that of my colleagues?
Is there a standard definition of exactly what constitutes a quality walk ‘a’ round?
What is the proper way to do it?
Can it ever be, that some text on a screen gets it over to the mouth breathers, that checking a vehicle before you drive it is a good thing?
Deeireland:
Bollox.
What do you check then ?
Bearings,ball joints ,axle ubolts ,re torque the bolts on your 5th wheel?
I’m just pointing out that saying "I did 15 minutes of checks…yahdeeyahdah…"isn’t going to save your ■■■ in a court situation as your 15 minutes of checks were obviously ■■■■■■■■!
In answer to your question to me, I have a set routine, I go through all the items on my check sheet. But I drive the same truck everyday, and it starts the day either empty or how I loaded it the night before. Each day of the week I “thoroughly” check one item. So no I don’t do any of what describe. Guess how long it takes me to whizz through a check list, clean all glass, and fill in the paperwork??
15 minutes. But that’s not the point. The point is I could spend 15 minutes doing a bad job of it, and it won’t help one iota in court later!
PPS I’m only a second class driver, what do I know?
TheBorg - yes there is a very very very simple way of defining the quality of your walk round check.
You won’t be driving an unroadworthy vehicle!
Drift:
wing-nut:
volvo keef:
SHYTOT:
Why can’t people who ask a straight forward question get a straight forward answer instead of all the bullshineAsk a stupid question,get a stupid answer
I fail to see how it’s a stupid question. I recently received an infringement notice for only showing 14 minutes daily checks which I am currently refusing to sign until they can prove it is a legal requirement.
I’m well aware of my responsibilities to ensure a vehicle meets all legal requirements before driving it on a public road, but I will ask the same “stupid” question as the op. Are daily check’s a legal requirement ? and is it a legal requirement to show 15 mins other work on tacho at start of shift while doing these checks ?Did you not see this, as per walk around time, it just good practice to show time in your tacho for the walk around as it’s other work and you wouldn’t want to fall foul of the drivers working time directive… More worms
Well I’ve never had an infringement notice, i do 10 mins every morning
F-reds:
Deeireland:
Bollox.
What do you check then ?
Bearings,ball joints ,axle ubolts ,re torque the bolts on your 5th wheel?I’m just pointing out that saying "I did 15 minutes of checks…yahdeeyahdah…"isn’t going to save your ■■■ in a court situation as your 15 minutes of checks were obviously ■■■■■■■■!
In answer to your question to me, I have a set routine, I go through all the items on my check sheet. But I drive the same truck everyday, and it starts the day either empty or how I loaded it the night before. Each day of the week I “thoroughly” check one item. So no I don’t do any of what describe. Guess how long it takes me to whizz through a check list, clean all glass, and fill in the paperwork??
15 minutes. But that’s not the point. The point is I could spend 15 minutes doing a bad job of it, and it won’t help one iota in court later!
PPS I’m only a second class driver, what do I know?
Why would my checks be obviously bollox?
I do daily checks correctly and thoroughly while having a coffee ,smoke and a stretch.
Thoroughly though all the same!
volvo keef:
Drift:
wing-nut:
volvo keef:
Ask a stupid question,get a stupid answerI fail to see how it’s a stupid question. I recently received an infringement notice for only showing 14 minutes daily checks which I am currently refusing to sign until they can prove it is a legal requirement.
I’m well aware of my responsibilities to ensure a vehicle meets all legal requirements before driving it on a public road, but I will ask the same “stupid” question as the op. Are daily check’s a legal requirement ? and is it a legal requirement to show 15 mins other work on tacho at start of shift while doing these checks ?Did you not see this, as per walk around time, it just good practice to show time in your tacho for the walk around as it’s other work and you wouldn’t want to fall foul of the drivers working time directive… More worms
Well I’ve never had an infringement notice, i do 10 mins every morning
I think it depends on the company and the tacho analysis software they’re using, to much reliance on tach software for analysis and outside companies instead of having somebody look at the data that actually knows the regulations. Of course any driver who query’s it is told they’re wrong because the computer says so.
My tacho software has come up with an infringement of not having enough of a daily rest period, because it can’t work out ferry breaks.
Deeireland - I did not say your checks were ■■■■■■■■.
I said the person in your hypothetical scenarios 15 minutes of checks were ■■■■■■■■ because something fell off into a bus stop full of people! Or words to that effect!
You could definitely do your checks, with a coffee, smoke, and a hand on your ■■■■. It’s all about multi tasking!
Swampey2418:
0
+1
I can think of several firms where they don’t have drivers check sheets, or even any form of traceable defect reporting. 
Everyone thinks of drivers working for hauliers in yards with full facilities, but there are a lot of businesses out there delivering their own goods that run just three or four trucks. Access to things like torque wrenches, fluids and even bulbs sometimes, is usually slim to non existent.
8 wheeler walk round. Takes 2-3 mins, tacho shows 8-10.
Lift grill, look at fluid levels.
Press buttons on steering wheel to check oil.
Start up – no funny noises, air up.
All lights on. (including stick between brake pedal and seat base)
Grab toffee hammer from behind seat and wander round ve-hicle, kicking tyres, checking tread and tippy tapping wheelnuts.
Look at all lights in the process.
Look for anything out of place or hanging off.
Back in cab, check wishy wops, sorry, washers and wipers.
If windows and mirrors need it, they get a bit of jumper sleeve.
I use the same motor every day, so it’s a bit easier.
Some of my lot, the oil’s barely reached the top of the engine before they head out the yard, but that’s their choice-- I do it my way.
And, there is no set in stone length of time. It takes what it takes. 
muckles:
You check the things on here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4iWawNHanc
As there is no requirement laid down as to how long a daily check should take, no judge could direct a jury that you haven’t taken long enough, only that you haven’t followed the procedures for checking a vehicle.
Ah Sophie Long off BBC News…I’d take longer than 15 minutes checking her over. 
LIBERTY_GUY:
I can think of several firms where they don’t have drivers check sheets, or even any form of traceable defect reporting.Everyone thinks of drivers working for hauliers in yards with full facilities, but there are a lot of businesses out there delivering their own goods that run just three or four trucks. Access to things like torque wrenches, fluids and even bulbs sometimes, is usually slim to non existent.
We run three trucks on mostly own account work, a defect reporting system is not difficult to set-up, there is a form in the guide to maintaining roadworthiness which can be removed and photocopied and put in the trucks and filled out and given to the office when required, at least that’s what we do. Buying a few spare bulbs isn’t expensive , I have a few in all our truck along with spare airlines and a basic tool kit. We don’t have a nil defect reporting regime, but I expect to see time taken for checks on the tacho and any defects reported and rectified, there are only a couple of drivers and me and in a small company you can keep an eye on them, but they are pretty good anyway.
We do have a torque wrench, but DVSA don’t require you to use one everyday, just check the wheel nuts.
One place I worked that only had one truck we’d nip over to the tyre fitters on the industrial estate and borrow their torque wrench. never a problem as we bought tyres from them, we also sometimes have to borrow bits of kit from the commercial workshops we use, but again never a problem and a few beers now and then for the mechanics doesn’t do any harm.
spooky70:
8 wheeler walk round. Takes 2-3 mins, tacho shows 8-10.
Lift grill, look at fluid levels.
Press buttons on steering wheel to check oil.
Start up – no funny noises, air up.
All lights on. (including stick between brake pedal and seat base)
Grab toffee hammer from behind seat and wander round ve-hicle, kicking tyres, checking tread and tippy tapping wheelnuts.
Look at all lights in the process.
Look for anything out of place or hanging off.
Back in cab, check wishy wops, sorry, washers and wipers.
If windows and mirrors need it, they get a bit of jumper sleeve.
I use the same motor every day, so it’s a bit easier.Some of my lot, the oil’s barely reached the top of the engine before they head out the yard, but that’s their choice-- I do it my way.
And, there is no set in stone length of time. It takes what it takes.
Why do you check for 2 to 3 mins but show 8 to 10 on tachogragh.?
Because I know the motor inside out, but an official type person perusing my tacho may not necessarily be aware of that.
spooky70:
Because I know the motor inside out, but an official type person perusing my tacho may not necessarily be aware of that.
Exactly this, but!
You have to cover yourself.
