COVID (again) / make sense of it [Merged]

I have not been following this thread in any great detail, but just skimming it, …so if this has already been said so be it.

Think I’ve said on here before, that I thought all this initially was ott scaremongering, and I did nor take it too serious.
Then I saw how serious all the deaths were, and I’ve had doom and gloom rammed down my ■■■■ neck on the news since I’ve been off, :unamused: . to the point that I have stopped watching it.

Not saying I believe it ALL btw/ not saying I don’t, but I keep an open mind and continue to be cautious without getting carried away. (You may dispute that after reading the rest of this :smiley: )

So now I’ve been told that restrictions are being lifted, so although that in effect nothing has changed from 6 weeks or so ago, when we were told to stay in, keep safe, don’t socialise or go to work and all the rest of it.
(I fully realise and appreciate the go to work/national economy thing btw.

Way I see it is this,… is this basically a herd immunity, ■■■■ it and see type experiment through the back door? :bulb:

Is it a case of…The lockdown/breathing space (no pun :smiley: ) is over. all or most of the weak have died, so now let’s concentrate on (IF what we’ve been led to believe about the virus IS true this is btw)… the fitter people getting it, and treating them for it all, and/or dealing with the sudden deluge and death, down to relaxed rules.
We have the emergency hospitals built and ready, most of the weak people have gone from the standard hospitals, so bring it on.

It’s the age old UK class system at it’s finest. :unamused:

The Royals are safe wrapped in cotton wool.m and the upper classes are safe.aka priority.

The middle classes and rich celebrities can afford to lock themselves away from it all…(.oh yeh and even the never had a job types are fine, staying in and living off the social.)

So that leaves us, the plebs, the working classes, sent out like Cannon fodder amongst all this ■■■■ to deal with it…, akin to 100 years ago in the First world war when lads were sent to their deaths in France and Belgium, but only this time we also bring back health issues and potential death to our (also working class) families, to fill the not built for no reason emergency hospitals.

Sorry for the cheerful :smiley: .m over dramatic , and Carryfastesque type post,… maybe I’ve been brainwashed, am I beyond help? :laughing: :laughing: who knows …who cares ?:roll: :smiley:
That is the way I see it anyway.ie… the usual half truth, hidden agenda, hidden meaning type policy from any Govt, and any other body of authority.
Off to ■■■■■ me wrists. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

^^^ man up ya fairy!

Listening to the daily death toll is indeed very sobering.

Then it occurred to me that perhaps Covid is a blessing in disguise as it seems to have eliminated totally death from other causes! Well apart from Covid obviously, but it appears that nobody in Britain has for the past few months died of anything else. Surely this means when we finally find a cure we will all certainly live forever?

the maoster:
^^^ man up ya fairy!

Thanks mate :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

the maoster:

Harry Monk:
Government announces plans to get Britain back to work.

Ooh, that’s gonna go H. Apparently that sort of stuff is offensive in this brave new world.

It’s meant to say Make Germany great again but got lost in the translation. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Maybe we should just left the original victims - make all the jokes about the Nazis…

I don’t recall anyone ever slagging Mel Brookes (German-Jewish Descent) off for making light of ■■■■ stuff…

I’m still waiting for the Slavic peoples and Romanys to make their own spoof of the era… They must have lost at least as many of their people as the Jewish 6m did. :neutral_face:

robroy:
I have not been following this thread in any great detail, but just skimming it, …so if this has already been said so be it.

Think I’ve said on here before, that I thought all this initially was ott scaremongering, and I did nor take it too serious.
Then I saw how serious all the deaths were, and I’ve had doom and gloom rammed down my [zb] neck on the news since I’ve been off, :unamused: . to the point that I have stopped watching it.

Not saying I believe it ALL btw/ not saying I don’t, but I keep an open mind and continue to be cautious without getting carried away. (You may dispute that after reading the rest of this :smiley: )

So now I’ve been told that restrictions are being lifted, so although that in effect nothing has changed from 6 weeks or so ago, when we were told to stay in, keep safe, don’t socialise or go to work and all the rest of it.
(I fully realise and appreciate the go to work/national economy thing btw.

Way I see it is this,… is this basically a herd immunity, ■■■■ it and see type experiment through the back door? :bulb:

Is it a case of…The lockdown/breathing space (no pun :smiley: ) is over. all or most of the weak have died, so now let’s concentrate on (IF what we’ve been led to believe about the virus IS true this is btw)… the fitter people getting it, and treating them for it all, and/or dealing with the sudden deluge and death, down to relaxed rules.
We have the emergency hospitals built and ready, most of the weak people have gone from the standard hospitals, so bring it on.

It’s the age old UK class system at it’s finest. :unamused:

The Royals are safe wrapped in cotton wool.m and the upper classes are safe.aka priority.

The middle classes and rich celebrities can afford to lock themselves away from it all…(.oh yeh and even the never had a job types are fine, staying in and living off the social.)

So that leaves us, the plebs, the working classes, sent out like Cannon fodder amongst all this [zb] to deal with it…, akin to 100 years ago in the First world war when lads were sent to their deaths in France and Belgium, but only this time we also bring back health issues and potential death to our (also working class) families, to fill the not built for no reason emergency hospitals.

Sorry for the cheerful :smiley: .m over dramatic , and Carryfastesque type post,… maybe I’ve been brainwashed, am I beyond help? :laughing: :laughing: who knows …who cares ?:roll: :smiley:
That is the way I see it anyway.ie… the usual half truth, hidden agenda, hidden meaning type policy from any Govt, and any other body of authority.
Off to ■■■■■ me wrists. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.
Colds, Flu, and Pneumonia deaths have been re-allocated statistic-wise over to “died with Coronavirus” in our news stories.
The number of elderly people that normally die in the first three months of each and every year from the three I’ve named - has strangely dropped this year… Go figure!

“What’s blue and f—s grannies?”
“Dunno, but if we can get away with putting “coronavirus” on the death certificate, everyone wearing a suit here - is happy.”

there have been several attempts to make films ■■■ described above but unfortunately before they finished making them,the diddycoys had nicked all the vans and equipment. :slight_smile:

Winseer:
It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.

There’s nothing suspicious about it it.IF this is a fake virus it can only mean that it’s a pretext for a power grab coup by an alliance of NWO and CCP.
As it stands both the government and the Bolshevik 5th column within are openly implying that allying with/surrender to CCP is preferable than going with the US.Such as in the case of the Huwai issue.
It shouldn’t be any surprise that they’d be looking for a pretext for the required ‘alignment’ with Communist type ‘civil rights’ under that regime.

Best hope it’s actually a botched bio weapon attack by the ChiCom retards and all part of the lead up to WW3 in which mutually assured destruction would be preferable.

Wot’s a ‘Diddycoy’? - Someone that worked for Michael Bentine or a tax dodger like Ken Dodd? :question: :open_mouth: :stuck_out_tongue:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.

There’s nothing suspicious about it it.IF this is a fake virus it can only mean that it’s a pretext for a power grab coup by an alliance of NWO and CCP.
As it stands both the government and the Bolshevik 5th column within are openly implying that allying with/surrender to CCP is preferable than going with the US.Such as in the case of the Huwai issue.
It shouldn’t be any surprise that they’d be looking for a pretext for the required ‘alignment’ with Communist type ‘civil rights’ under that regime.

Best hope it’s actually a botched bio weapon attack by the ChiCom retards and all part of the lead up to WW3 in which mutually assured destruction would be preferable.

Yes,all in line with Albert Pikes (Palladian Grandmaster/33 degree trouser roller,statue of chez, WashingtonDC) ‘morals&Dogma’ says it all. :open_mouth:

manalishi:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.

There’s nothing suspicious about it it.IF this is a fake virus it can only mean that it’s a pretext for a power grab coup by an alliance of NWO and CCP.
As it stands both the government and the Bolshevik 5th column within are openly implying that allying with/surrender to CCP is preferable than going with the US.Such as in the case of the Huwai issue.
It shouldn’t be any surprise that they’d be looking for a pretext for the required ‘alignment’ with Communist type ‘civil rights’ under that regime.

Best hope it’s actually a botched bio weapon attack by the ChiCom retards and all part of the lead up to WW3 in which mutually assured destruction would be preferable.

Yes,all in line with Albert Pikes (Palladian Grandmaster/33 degree trouser roller,statue of chez, WashingtonDC) ‘morals&Dogma’ says it all. :open_mouth:

:open_mouth: :unamused:
WTF are you two on, please let me know as I don’t want it…

m.a.n rules:

manalishi:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.

There’s nothing suspicious about it it.IF this is a fake virus it can only mean that it’s a pretext for a power grab coup by an alliance of NWO and CCP.
As it stands both the government and the Bolshevik 5th column within are openly implying that allying with/surrender to CCP is preferable than going with the US.Such as in the case of the Huwai issue.
It shouldn’t be any surprise that they’d be looking for a pretext for the required ‘alignment’ with Communist type ‘civil rights’ under that regime.

Best hope it’s actually a botched bio weapon attack by the ChiCom retards and all part of the lead up to WW3 in which mutually assured destruction would be preferable.

Yes,all in line with Albert Pikes (Palladian Grandmaster/33 degree trouser roller,statue of chez, WashingtonDC) ‘morals&Dogma’ says it all. :open_mouth:

:open_mouth: :unamused:
WTF are you two on, please let me know as I don’t want it…

It’s the start of some weird cult I reckon. :laughing: :laughing:

Kabbalistic freemasonry, the crucial component of the ptb control structure.Ancient mystery credos passed down through the ages.Essentially the true religion of the power elite.There’s an benign outer layer of charity work,bumbling local businessmen,coppers etc.A few local favours granted to ’ influential’ types,landowners etc.But there’s an inner core being shielded by this outer facade.The likes of senior politicians are given a 32nd degree to keep them bonded to the brotherhood but the real power comes at the 33rd degree level.A whole different realm of power.Jimmy Saville got away with his evil for years due to his 33rd degree/papal knighthood baubles and fellow Yorkshire top brass cops were complicit in his protection,rozzers traditionally operate under the Masnic radar.

The Babylonian mystery schools and even Knights Templar, found refuge within these citadels enabled by founder-Adam Weishaupts Rothschild funded super-league of Masonry: The Order Of The Perfectiblists, aka (Illuminati Lodge).It’s the arcane adhesive which keeps the power construct…operational.

Don’t confuse me with one of these Anti-Semitic Kaballistic/Anti State of Israel outfits please.

If it were not for people being too damned lazy to read everything I’ve written, rather than just lazily skim it - you’d know by this point that when I talk “Conspiracy” I’m talking about how a genuine, but MINOR diesease has been bigged-up to provide a bigger scare and cover for something else, which remains to be seen.

Some have already suggested it is to “complete Brexit”, which as a Brexiteer - I don’t object to.

Others have suggested that it is to enable behind-the-scenes reforms to our entire economy, which would look like a pretty hefty gamble - given that we’ve been told by the Bank of England today to expect a 14% hit to the economy by the end of this year - INCLUDING any “Bounce” between now and the end of December.

The lockdown though?

Those of us currently working - are already taking the chance with regards to our ongoing health. NHS workers are getting their doorstep seal claps, Truckers are getting people on top of footbridges waving at them on the motorways…

Has anyone on this board snuffed it from Coronavirus yet? - Answers on a Ouija Board please…

Perhaps the Conspiracy is the West vs China … Don’t forget that we owe China … basically our entire national debts across the Western World!!

How to default such a huge debt? - Instead of having a “Banking Moratorium” like in the 1930’s which hamstrung businesses, in particular new start-ups for that entire decade…
Why not have a world-wide AAA debt default en-masse across the entire western world instead?

We demolish our own banking system, and when China tries sending out anything to enforce those debts - we confiscate all their trading vessels, and deal with any military presence outside of China - pretty easy to manage. NOT to be confused with any concept of “WWIII” or “Chinese Mainland Invasion” - which would be quite impossible to partake of, naturally. There wouldn’t be any need for this should China unexpectedly come up with a compensation package for the west, which in itself might consist of the Chinese buying a rather large number of Zero Coupon Undated Paper - which is tantamount to China giving us whatever money they spend on these bonds as a kind of “permant loan” - perhaps a face-saving excercise there? China are not Japan however. We simply cannot go on borrowing ever-more money from China every damned month, with only the prevailing low interests (A product of Chinese Generosity to date, imo) without a reckoning should we one day fall-out BIGTIME with our main Lender of Fate.

One doesn’t need “Maybes” - but hard assets being re-patriated right now. Did anyone take away a pallet of four barrels to be paid $100 for that a couple of weeks back? Have you brought some oil drums just to sit on since? Oil has already bounced back up to over $20, and seems to be stablizing for the time being. Who’s to know that the reason for the Oil Glut is China merely tuning down purchases of Oil - because they don’t need so much of it to turn into PLASTICS any more, now that the Greenies around the world have finally convinced their governments to go-off plastics in a big way?
China are also on the verge of buying into just about every aspect of our Western lives… What better time to take them down - than by a worldwide debt default then, leaving the Chinese nursing ALL the losses?

The downside for the West - is that we all need to deliberately shrink our own economies so manage the decline in a way that we can ALL “live within our means” for the forseeable future.
Wages will fall, but the cost of living will fall faster still.
This is the very essence of a “Deflationary Crash”.

Perhaps the “Conspiracy” is simply that our Western governments are working in cahoots to make this happen - to wean the entire western world OFF further Chinese debt - whilst there is still time to do so.
Fail? - And we’ll have “Social Scoring” and “Quarry Firing Squad at Dawn” before you can say ‘TingTong’ backwards! :open_mouth:

Winseer:
Don’t confuse me with one of these Anti-Semitic Kaballistic/Anti State of Israel outfits please.

If it were not for people being too damned lazy to read everything I’ve written, rather than just lazily skim it - you’d know by this point that when I talk “Conspiracy” I’m talking about how a genuine, but MINOR diesease has been bigged-up to provide a bigger scare and cover for something else, which remains to be seen.

Some have already suggested it is to “complete Brexit”, which as a Brexiteer - I don’t object to.

Others have suggested that it is to enable behind-the-scenes reforms to our entire economy, which would look like a pretty hefty gamble - given that we’ve been told by the Bank of England today to expect a 14% hit to the economy by the end of this year - INCLUDING any “Bounce” between now and the end of December.
Bank of England warns of sharpest recession on record - BBC News

The lockdown though?

Those of us currently working - are already taking the chance with regards to our ongoing health. NHS workers are getting their doorstep seal claps, Truckers are getting people on top of footbridges waving at them on the motorways…

Has anyone on this board snuffed it from Coronavirus yet? - Answers on a Ouija Board please…

Perhaps the Conspiracy is the West vs China … Don’t forget that we owe China … basically our entire national debts across the Western World!!

How to default such a huge debt? - Instead of having a “Banking Moratorium” like in the 1930’s which hamstrung businesses, in particular new start-ups for that entire decade…
Why not have a world-wide AAA debt default en-masse across the entire western world instead?

We demolish our own banking system, and when China tries sending out anything to enforce those debts - we confiscate all their trading vessels, and deal with any military presence outside of China - pretty easy to manage. NOT to be confused with any concept of “WWIII” or “Chinese Mainland Invasion” - which would be quite impossible to partake of, naturally. There wouldn’t be any need for this should China unexpectedly come up with a compensation package for the west, which in itself might consist of the Chinese buying a rather large number of Zero Coupon Undated Paper - which is tantamount to China giving us whatever money they spend on these bonds as a kind of “permant loan” - perhaps a face-saving excercise there? China are not Japan however. We simply cannot go on borrowing ever-more money from China every damned month, with only the prevailing low interests (A product of Chinese Generosity to date, imo) without a reckoning should we one day fall-out BIGTIME with our main Lender of Fate.

One doesn’t need “Maybes” - but hard assets being re-patriated right now. Did anyone take away a pallet of four barrels to be paid $100 for that a couple of weeks back? Have you brought some oil drums just to sit on since? Oil has already bounced back up to over $20, and seems to be stablizing for the time being. Who’s to know that the reason for the Oil Glut is China merely tuning down purchases of Oil - because they don’t need so much of it to turn into PLASTICS any more, now that the Greenies around the world have finally convinced their governments to go-off plastics in a big way?
China are also on the verge of buying into just about every aspect of our Western lives… What better time to take them down - than by a worldwide debt default then, leaving the Chinese nursing ALL the losses?

The downside for the West - is that we all need to deliberately shrink our own economies so manage the decline in a way that we can ALL “live within our means” for the forseeable future.
Wages will fall, but the cost of living will fall faster still.
This is the very essence of a “Deflationary Crash”.

Perhaps the “Conspiracy” is simply that our Western governments are working in cahoots to make this happen - to wean the entire western world OFF further Chinese debt - whilst there is still time to do so.
Fail? - And we’ll have “Social Scoring” and “Quarry Firing Squad at Dawn” before you can say ‘TingTong’ backwards! :open_mouth:

Wish I had your admirable level of economic intellectual acumen,it certainly offers a nuanced prism in rationalising the travails of our current planetary dilemmas :neutral_face:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
It is the way the statistics have been massaged - that makes me suspicious as to the government’s ulterior motive here.

There’s nothing suspicious about it it.IF this is a fake virus it can only mean that it’s a pretext for a power grab coup by an alliance of NWO and CCP.
As it stands both the government and the Bolshevik 5th column within are openly implying that allying with/surrender to CCP is preferable than going with the US.Such as in the case of the Huwai issue.
It shouldn’t be any surprise that they’d be looking for a pretext for the required ‘alignment’ with Communist type ‘civil rights’ under that regime.

Best hope it’s actually a botched bio weapon attack by the ChiCom retards and all part of the lead up to WW3 in which mutually assured destruction would be preferable.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Disappointing. You nearly had a full house there in just 4 lines of text : NWO, CCP, Bolshevik, US, Communist, ChiCom, WW3. But you failed at the final hurdle by omitting to mention Chi Haotian.

1/10. Must try harder.

robroy:
I have not been following this thread in any great detail, but just skimming it, …so if this has already been said so be it.

Think I’ve said on here before, that I thought all this initially was ott scaremongering, and I did nor take it too serious.
Then I saw how serious all the deaths were, and I’ve had doom and gloom rammed down my [zb] neck on the news since I’ve been off, :unamused: . to the point that I have stopped watching it.

Not saying I believe it ALL btw/ not saying I don’t, but I keep an open mind and continue to be cautious without getting carried away. (You may dispute that after reading the rest of this :smiley: )

So now I’ve been told that restrictions are being lifted, so although that in effect nothing has changed from 6 weeks or so ago, when we were told to stay in, keep safe, don’t socialise or go to work and all the rest of it.
(I fully realise and appreciate the go to work/national economy thing btw.

Way I see it is this,… is this basically a herd immunity, ■■■■ it and see type experiment through the back door? :bulb:

Is it a case of…The lockdown/breathing space (no pun :smiley: ) is over. all or most of the weak have died, so now let’s concentrate on (IF what we’ve been led to believe about the virus IS true this is btw)… the fitter people getting it, and treating them for it all, and/or dealing with the sudden deluge and death, down to relaxed rules.
We have the emergency hospitals built and ready, most of the weak people have gone from the standard hospitals, so bring it on.

It’s the age old UK class system at it’s finest. :unamused:

The Royals are safe wrapped in cotton wool.m and the upper classes are safe.aka priority.

The middle classes and rich celebrities can afford to lock themselves away from it all…(.oh yeh and even the never had a job types are fine, staying in and living off the social.)

So that leaves us, the plebs, the working classes, sent out like Cannon fodder amongst all this [zb] to deal with it…, akin to 100 years ago in the First world war when lads were sent to their deaths in France and Belgium, but only this time we also bring back health issues and potential death to our (also working class) families, to fill the not built for no reason emergency hospitals.

Sorry for the cheerful :smiley: .m over dramatic , and Carryfastesque type post,… maybe I’ve been brainwashed, am I beyond help? :laughing: :laughing: who knows …who cares ?:roll: :smiley:
That is the way I see it anyway.ie… the usual half truth, hidden agenda, hidden meaning type policy from any Govt, and any other body of authority.
Off to ■■■■■ me wrists. :unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

I agree with what you are saying regarding inequality. These inequalities have been there for a long time, so it is a case of reaping what we have sown as a society. The poor and deprived not only are on the front line, but they have a lesser chance of survival. To a certain extent this was done and dusted through the actions of the country over the preceding decades. Of course there can be other factors and money can also lead to excess. Everyone makes their own choice about physical exercise, drinking, smoking etc too.

Ultimately I think it is a balancing act and we are not being allowed to know what discussions are taking place regarding the impact of various courses of action and what is deemed to be acceptable and what isn’t. If there was a bit more transparency I think it would be better.

I have certainly never heard the herd immunity statement being officially retracted, so it seems like a case of the options being kept open.

Normally I hate conspiracy theories and generally find them irritating and the people who push them insistent to the point of being inportunate. However I cannot help thinking that Winseer makes a very plausible case with his last posting.
The greatest problem facing the western democratic nations is indeed, as he points out, a totally unsustainable financial deficit. A debt which grows greater year on year and much of which is owed to China.
Probably the second greatest problem is a totally unsustainable aging population.
This COVID19 catastrophe could feasibly be manipulated into a kind of causes belli to justify a mass default on that debt in part or whole.
If one were really cynical, perhaps even believe it could go part way to solving the second problem also.

wire:
Normally I hate conspiracy theories and generally find them irritating and the people who push them insistent to the point of being inportunate. However I cannot help thinking that Winseer makes a very plausible case with his last posting.
The greatest problem facing the western democratic nations is indeed, as he points out, a totally unsustainable financial deficit. A debt which grows greater year on year and much of which is owed to China.
Probably the second greatest problem is a totally unsustainable aging population.
This COVID19 catastrophe could feasibly be manipulated into a kind of causes belli to justify a mass default on that debt in part or whole.
If one were really cynical, perhaps even believe it could go part way to solving the second problem also.

What’s good about all this - is that China will either cough up some kind of “Compensation” to the entire world - by continuing to buy ever-low interest rate bonds from western governments, enabling Western Economies to carry on borrowing at almost zero rates forever… OR China refuse for whatever reason, at which point the rest of the world can team up economically against them (NOT “Militarily”) refusing to let China buy any of our stuff, in particular those things that China cannot ever be self-sufficient in because of “lack of fresh water”. FOOD, in particular that grown on arable land.

Over a billion people in China - won’t take kindly to being told by their commie government that “You must starve, because the rest of the world has ganged up against your government”…

There might even be a popular uprising in China as a result of all this - longer term.

“How to win a war of Regime Change - without a shot being fired”.

Our current western governments though - really need a get a grip on what it is to “Team Play” this anti-globalist game they hopefully are playing here.
Even people like me who voted Tory last year - would be very unforgiving if our illustrious Boris now faceplants to demands from the other side of politics - where the Champagne Socialist gets richer, and the “rights taken away” ordinary worker - gets poorer. Just as there’s a new kind of “Right Politics”, there’s unfortunately a new kind of Left Politics as well. :frowning: Labour to me - should be about enriching the poor at the expense of the rich. NOT taxing the middle because the rich get out of it, and not enriching the poor - because the champagne socialists intercepted the money before it “trickled down”…

Let’s now see if Higher Taxation comes home to roost before anything meaningful gets delivered by our governments - Be it a solution to the Energy crisis, Brexit done one and for all, or an end to this current issue of the “Lockdown” - only put upon us because we all have differing levels of RISK tolerance.

I maintain my prediction meanwhile that “More people will end up dying in this country as a knock-on effect from economic collapse than directly from Coronavirus infection” - including those other flu-like diseases that are already being job-lotted to count as “Coronavirus” as well btw.

All of a sudden it’s ok to pack people on buses and trains, was it really the reality of just getting rid off the weak to go forward, because that what it looks like and sounds like