With the world’s economy on its arse, everybody is racing to kick start there economy will have the upper hand in the long run.
It’s now a race between east and west and both will now be considering future losses as ‘acceptable’ losses. Trump has ‘declared war’ on the virus anyway. Not sure about Boris but the language is similar at times.
My take on it anyway
Bigtruck3:
All of a sudden it’s ok to pack people on buses and trains, was it really the reality of just getting rid off the weak to go forward, because that what it looks like and sounds like
Of course it’s not ok and people should know that. Go to work if you can do so safely, cycle or walk and try not to use public transport was what they were told.
In general people are stupid and act like sheep. The second wave will soon arrive. 
All excess deaths in England and Wales this year accounts for less than 0.01% of the population of 59m, so either there weren’t many weak people or that’s not the policy.
As for the overcrowding on Public transport, at least that in London, as the double deck bus in Dereham yesterday looked like it only had one passenger.
Poor delivery of the message so rumours widely stating measures would be eased on Monday 11th, so people got ready to go to work on Monday.
No official announcement until Sunday night and then to say it was to be done on Wednesday, document explaining how it was to be done not released until Monday afternoon.
The Government and TFL not working with each other (more like trying to obstruct each other with the passengers and workers as the pawns in their power games) in the preceding weeks to actually work out how those in London reliant on Public Transport would be able to use it and maintain social distancing measures.
Apparently on Wednesday TFL said they had a 7% increase over the preceding week (Lockdown levels) yet there were pictures of overcrowded trains and buses, so if they couldn’t cope with 7 % over almost nothing, isn’t there a problem with management somewhere?
While I agree about taking responsibility for our own actions, like deciding not to get on crowded bus or train, maybe many people aren’t in that luxurious position of refusing to go to work when its means paying the rent, feeding the family and keeping their job.
Bigtruck3:
All of a sudden it’s ok to pack people on buses and trains, was it really the reality of just getting rid off the weak to go forward, because that what it looks like and sounds like
Nobody has ever said that especially the government who have advised against using public transport if at all possible. It suits some to spout rubbish though [emoji849]
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Bigtruck3:
All of a sudden it’s ok to pack people on buses and trains, was it really the reality of just getting rid off the weak to go forward, because that what it looks like and sounds like
Once again it’s the poorest in society who will pay the price of getting billionaires and corporations more money, I’ve worked throughout all of this but I think a reasonable argument would be ‘when you lot are all sitting in the commons, then I’ll take it as safe to go to work, until then sod off’
Oh and what would help, is the chairman of the company using public transport too!
wrighty1:
Bigtruck3:
All of a sudden it’s ok to pack people on buses and trains, was it really the reality of just getting rid off the weak to go forward, because that what it looks like and sounds likeNobody has ever said that especially the government who have advised against using public transport if at all possible. It suits some to spout rubbish though [emoji849]
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It’s the hypocrisy of it all though.
Since the lockdown the dogma has been “stay inside, dont leave your house, or you will kill people”. Unless you cant work from home, and your not furloughed, than carry on as normal.
We will pay 80% of workers wages, so that they can stay at home. Unless you, or a family member have symptoms, in which case you must self isolate, and receive only SSP.
The “stay indoors, save the NHS” slogan has scared many, many people into not seeking urgent medical help, for fear of entering a hospital and catching the virus, or for not wanting to burden the “overstretched” NHS…many more will (have) died, who may well have been healed and carried on for many, healthy years. Unlike the many, already chronically I’ll, who succumb because of Corona.
Now, Boris on the one hand tells us it’s safe to go back to work, but walk or cycle… really? The majority of people live to far from their job to do so. It’s also safe to travel as far as you like, to visit places and exercise.
Meanwhile, wee Jimmy Cranky and the WelshMember for pretending to be a statesman tell us that noooo, it is not safe, and you must stay indoors. The Welsh now face the bizarre reality of English people travelling, quite legitimate, into Wales, to exercise, and the Welsh themselves being threatened with fines, less they can prove that their journey is ‘essential’…
I know history repeats itself, but the last time the Welsh (and Scots) were under punitive rule from England, it wasn’t with their own ‘ruler’s’ consent…
the nodding donkey:
It’s the hypocrisy of it all though.
How apt.
Now we’ve got people being told “It’s OK to get back to work now”…
only that “I’m sitting at home on 80% pay and I love it - I ain’t going back until you guarantee me that I’ll be cured of Covid the same day I go back”
Unionized workers - don’t seem very keen to get back - do they?
How long will it take the government to turn over TfL entirely, and replace the work force on new contracts, at least on the Buses?
Anyone who can’t work from home, isn’t get paid to sit at home, or is going barmy looking at four walls
is already back at work
Traffic was mental everywhere today, except around Hospital Neighborhoods.… Go figure!!
For those that like numbers
OFFICIAL Totals for UK to date (REALISTIC NUMBERS ARE HIGHER)
Cases Total 283,311
Deaths 40,261
Deaths 1M pop Population 593
1 Case every 240 people
1 Death every 1686 people
worldometers.info/coronavir … meAdvegas1 (scroll down to see info)
Looks like 1 in 7 that get the virus die from it …
ROG:
For those that like numbersOFFICIAL Totals for UK to date (REALISTIC NUMBERS ARE HIGHER)
Cases Total 283,311
Deaths 40,261
Deaths 1M pop Population 593
1 Case every 240 people
1 Death every 1686 people
worldometers.info/coronavir … meAdvegas1 (scroll down to see info)Looks like 1 in 7 that get the virus die from it …
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … /5june2020
At any given time between 17 May and 30 May 2020, we estimated that an average of 0.10% of the community population had COVID-19 (95% confidence interval: 0.05% to 0.18%); this equates to an average of 53,000 people in England (95% confidence interval: 25,000 to 99,000).
This is sample size of over 19,000 and the positive tests are down from the previous 2 weeks estimates of those infected which was in the region of 160,000 to 400,000, but doesn’t include those in Care homes and Hospitals.
As of 24 May 2020, 6.78% (95% confidence interval: 5.21% to 8.64%) of individuals from whom blood samples were taken tested positive for antibodies to the coronavirus (COVID-19). This is based on blood test results from 885 individuals since the start of the study on 26 April 2020.
This means between 3.5m to 5.7m had recovered from the virus to produce antibodies, (although a sample size of under 900 does seem a bit small) that would give a CFR of between 1.2% to 0.7%, which seems to similar or a bit higher to data from other countries.
ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … g22may2020
To Week ending 22/05/20 43,837 people had Covid 19 on their death certificate in England and Wales, this was not always the only cause on the death certificate and not always confirmed by a test.
However if Covid 19 is mentioned anywhere on the death certificate the ONS records it as a Covid 19 death.
To the same period 41,094 Death in England and Wales were declared to be influenza and Pneumonia, this down by 8,381 over the 5 year average of 49,475 to the same point in the year and 2,892 from week 12 to Week 21, when Covid 19 death were highest.
Of all the Covid Death in England and Wales,
87% were over 70 who make up 13.5% of the population
7.3% were 60 to 69, 10.5% of the population
3.5% were 50 to 59, 13.5% of the population
1.89% were under 50, 62.4% of the population
england.nhs.uk/statistics/s … ly-deaths/
From NHS data 95% of those who died had a pre-existing condition.
Where is the estimated figure for the number or percentage of the uk population who have had the virus in the whole of 2020 
Did I miss that somewhere
ROG:
Where is the estimated figure for the number or percentage of the uk population who have had the virus in the whole of 2020
Did I miss that somewhere
By heck, Rog!
Have you been eating the blue jelly beans again? You`re jumping around on 3 different threads with the same topic!
ROG:
Where is the estimated figure for the number or percentage of the uk population who have had the virus in the whole of 2020
Did I miss that somewhere
Its from the Antibody study, in the ONS link
muckles:
ROG:
Where is the estimated figure for the number or percentage of the uk population who have had the virus in the whole of 2020
Did I miss that somewhereIts from the Antibody study, in the ONS link
I cannot find the whole of 2020 figure in that link - it will probably be well over a million if it is there …
ROG:
muckles:
ROG:
Where is the estimated figure for the number or percentage of the uk population who have had the virus in the whole of 2020
Did I miss that somewhereIts from the Antibody study, in the ONS link
I cannot find the whole of 2020 figure in that link - it will probably be well over a million if it is there …
They did antibody tests, this identifies people who have had the virus, which is mostly during 2020, although there seems to be increasing evidence it was in Europe late 2019.
From this study they estimate that between 5.21% and 8.64% of the population have had Covid19, as antibodies are one way the immune system fights disease and protect from future infections.
Therefore multiply 67,000,000 by 5.21% and also by 8.64% to get the higher and lower estimates of people who’ve had and recovered from the virus.
Then to get the estimated Case Fatality Rate, divide the deaths from Covid19 by the total estimated cases and multiply by 100 to get the percentage.
Ta - that estimates about 5 million out of 68 million have had the virus 
ROG:
Ta - that estimates about 5 million out of 68 million have had the virus
…if the Death rate is as much as 1% then we should expect to see around 150 of the 15,000 lockdown breakers in London “died with coronavirus” within a week…
…Assuming it’s not now proven by these very “protestors” to be a big hoax AFTER all eh?
The Tories would now seem to be in the same place they were Christmas 1992, when over a million people were facing eviction from their houses - because they couldn’t afford the by-that-point four figure monthly mortgage payments thanks to 15% interest rates. It took another five long years to see the back of the Tories, and then 10 years of Blair throwing open the cheap labour floodgates that has supressed wages in this industry in particular - so that hourly rates in some areas are the same as they were in 1992 FFS!! Sure, NMW has caught right up with those stagnating wages, but I know people who were getteing £12ph+ at Safeways back in the 90’s… What’s the going rate for Supermarkets these days for Monday-Friday days? £12ph and FALLING?
Winseer:
ROG:
Ta - that estimates about 5 million out of 68 million have had the virus…if the Death rate is as much as 1% then we should expect to see around 150 of the 15,000 lockdown breakers in London “died with coronavirus” within a week…
…Assuming it’s not now proven by these very “protestors” to be a big hoax AFTER all eh?
Considering the average age of the protestor and the massive difference in death rates in age groups, I doubt you’ll see 150 of them die from the virus, the same might not be true of any elderly people they might mix with in the next couple of weeks, should any of them actually have caught it, the evidence will be seen in a spike in cases in about 2 to 3 weeks and a spike in death a few weeks after that.