Agree with everything said about I-Shift, best gearbox I’ve ever used. Been trying to convince my boss and his Dad that autos are the way forward. It took a demonstrator to prove that the auto 'boxes aren’t the same as fitted in dustcarts and buses.
Carryfast:
newmercman:
Two sides to every argument.
Well that’s clearly the answer, everyone should go and import 15 year old Kenworths from Australia.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
newmercman:
Two sides to every argument.
Well that’s clearly the answer, everyone should go and import 15 year old Kenworths from Australia.
Not exactly it was the working life expectation and relative residual value at 10 - 15 year mark let alone 5 which was the point. 
I remember when automated gearboxes made there way in to 8 wheel tippers and 6x4 landfill artics.
All the doom and gloom merchants were predicting they would never stand up to the work and off road driving now they are pretty much the norm.
No one I know has had many major problems and our oldest I shift 6×4 artic went 5 years without a clutch and the release bearing failed but when they took it out the clutch plate still had a lot of life left but they replaced it anyway.
Even the most steady driver wouldn’t get five years from a clutch on landfill work every day.
Times change and those that bang on about the erf ec4 or scan 143 been the greatest truck ever would soon tire of driving one daily now after getting out of anything on the market now.
As for questions about reliability look on the old time foroum for pictures and story’s of breaking down the only difference was quite often drivers picked up enouh knowledge over the years to either fix it or make a temporary repair to get home or to a garage. Now the computer will shut it down and unless you have the sofare you can’t reset it.
kr79:
I remember when automated gearboxes made there way in to 8 wheel tippers and 6x4 landfill artics.
All the doom and gloom merchants were predicting they would never stand up to the work and off road driving now they are pretty much the norm.
I’ve done tipper work on and off and manual is still the norm in a lot of places, even on new trucks. I was at a Brett depot round the corner from the Geodis junkyard I mentioned in the original post, and they had only one auto (a Volvo) and the others were manual including a new Scania (and lots of old Axors). I did some artic tipper work recently too and that was in a brand new Renault with a pretty good auto box (knowing them, probably a rebadged I-shift).
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The first thing I put in a lorry was my tool kit, it was something that got used often, pulling up the brakes on unit and trailer, changing filters, replacing injector pipes and generally tinkering around under the cab to keep stuff from falling off was all part of a week’s work not so long ago. Now I only use a multi headed screwdriver thing and I’ve only used that to tighten the dash to stop it rattling, I have a pretty comprehensive toolkit and have only ever used it to tighten things up that weren’t tightened properly after having work done. A huge contrast to how things used to be and so much better for it.
Now it’s Carryfast’s turn again, residual values are better on things like Peterbilt and Kenworth, but only because the new technology generation hasn’t started buying 15yr old trucks yet, as I said before, the world is changing and the newbies are the future.
It’s about time the older hang stopped making fun of them over their lack of experience of outdated almost obsolete equipment, because in no time at all the older mechanically inclined drivers will be asking the newbies for help as they will understand the technology.
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
Gang not hang ffs
Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
IndigoJo:
kr79:
I remember when automated gearboxes made there way in to 8 wheel tippers and 6x4 landfill artics.
All the doom and gloom merchants were predicting they would never stand up to the work and off road driving now they are pretty much the norm.I’ve done tipper work on and off and manual is still the norm in a lot of places, even on new trucks. I was at a Brett depot round the corner from the Geodis junkyard I mentioned in the original post, and they had only one auto (a Volvo) and the others were manual including a new Scania (and lots of old Axors). I did some artic tipper work recently too and that was in a brand new Renault with a pretty good auto box (knowing them, probably a rebadged I-shift).
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Round our way the only manual 8 wheelers in any numbers are scanias. Don’t know why everything else seems to be auto
newmercman:
It’s about time the older hang stopped making fun of them over their lack of experience of outdated almost obsolete equipment, because in no time at all the older mechanically inclined drivers will be asking the newbies for help as they will understand the technology.
Scary thought I wouldn’t even know how to use a digi tacho before I even started a shift. But I’d guess that I’d get on with an I shift at least as well as if not probably better than,an auto or semi auto Allison.
newmercman:
It’s about time the older hang stopped making fun of them over their lack of experience of outdated almost obsolete equipment, because in no time at all the older mechanically inclined drivers will be asking the newbies for help as they will understand the technology.Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk
I remember not that long ago helping a driver who had been doing it over 30 years get the radio to work in the new Actros. He was amazed that I tuned it to all his stations that he asked me to. He told me he had spent the last 3 odd hours trying to figure it out, it took me less than 5 minutes. I think we (the young’uns) entering the industry now have the best of both worlds. Most of us have the nouse to pick up on how to drive the old kit whilst also being able to get our heads around all the new crap they keep coming up with.
Thats fair comment Radar.
Must admit i’m ■■■■■■ off with learning more ■■■■■■■■ which is of not the slightest interest or use to me, yet strangely enough i end up setting the digis to local time twice a year for several younger drivers who can’t get their heads round it.
Had to load one of our euro6 dafs t’other day, biggest problem with those is the lack of switches… 
…and the ideal layout of the same bloody Nora what a pigs ear they made of it, worse than ever.
Juddian:
Thats fair comment Radar.Must admit i’m ■■■■■■ off with learning more ■■■■■■■■ which is of not the slightest interest or use to me, yet strangely enough i end up setting the digis to local time twice a year for several younger drivers who can’t get their heads round it.
Had to load one of our euro6 dafs t’other day, biggest problem with those is the lack of switches…
Its all touch screen, menu based options now.
Dafs were running around with Leyland engines years ago.
Juddian:
Thats fair comment Radar.Must admit i’m ■■■■■■ off with learning more ■■■■■■■■ which is of not the slightest interest or use to me
Surely if it’s so you can do your job to best of your abilities it is of use to you?
I do love how Conor pops up on random threads, drops a piece of misinformed tripe (I.e DAF have nothing to do with Leyland) and never returns!
switchlogic:
I do love how Conor pops up on random threads, drops a piece of misinformed tripe (I.e DAF have nothing to do with Leyland) and never returns!
It would probably be fair to say that the last DAF engine to have any link with the Leyland 680 was the WS in the 95.The XF being a totally different design.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
I do love how Conor pops up on random threads, drops a piece of misinformed tripe (I.e DAF have nothing to do with Leyland) and never returns!It would probably be fair to say that the last DAF engine to have any link with the Leyland 680 was the WS in the 95.The XF being a totally different design.
Indeed, but his assertion that Leyland and DAF had little to do with each other was ridiculous!
Priest:
IndigoJo:
They should teach you about reversing round a corner and into a parking bay at a service station.+1
Wish I’d had a bit more manoeuvering in my training - I started my first class one job last week (night-shift) and am with other drivers for a week and a bit so the first reverse in between two parked trailers took me 20 mins (on my own - the driver I was with wanted a coffee) - I got out to look so many times to check I felt like a yoyo. (No room to get the trailer straight, so I had to bend it in and all the drivers think it’s too dark in the storage yard. That’s what I’m telling myself, anyway…). The unloading bays are wider of course, so that only took 8 minutes, bending it in again…
Still, upward and onward.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
I do love how Conor pops up on random threads, drops a piece of misinformed tripe (I.e DAF have nothing to do with Leyland) and never returns!It would probably be fair to say that the last DAF engine to have any link with the Leyland 680 was the WS in the 95.The XF being a totally different design.
Indeed, but his assertion that Leyland and DAF had little to do with each other was ridiculous!
Also they did merge in the end a lot of the chassis components on the original 75 85 range had a lot of t45 range dna in it