Companies running old junk

I had what I thought was a decent agency booking for three days last week: class 1, a few locals in the morning then a run out to Gloucester in the afternoon to swap an empty trailer for a full one (of books, it turned out) and come back. It was in Ashford, near Heathrow. When I got there I saw a 13-plate DAF at the front and thought “oh, is that what I’m driving to Gloucester”. No such luck.

It turns out that they have two X-reg DAF 95XF’s which they use on the out-of-town runs because they reserve the new-ish ones for jobs that go into the LEZ, and they’re both rustbuckets which are falling apart. Both have manual gearboxes, and I don’t mind that (I did some training on a manual artic, but this was my first on a 40-tonner) as long as it’s not a crash box, but they were as stiff as hell and frequently failed to go into gear especially in low range. The first day they gave me the one that doesn’t normally go to Gloucester, and it didn’t couple properly (you have to get out and knock the fifth wheel handle to get the jaws to close). The excuse: “it’s 14 years old, you can’t expect it to work like a brand new truck!”.

Anyway, I got it out to Gloucester, swapped over with the full trailer, then started back and about a quarter of the way up Birdlip Hill it overheated, and it put a “STOP” warning up on the dashboard, so I pulled over and put my hazards on (this was about 6:30pm last Wednesday). I called the boss; when he didn’t pick up I called my agency who got someone to give me a ring; they gave me the number of their fitter who handed me over to a recovery company. I was sat there for 90 minutes and by then the engine had cooled down a bit. The recovery guy said “nurse it up, slowly”. So that’s what I did, and we made it up there. He couldn’t tell me what exactly was wrong except “it’s old”.

Next day, they gave me its “sister” truck “Michelle” and I took it out and I could hear rattling and rubbing noises coming from underneath. I pull over and tell them I don’t think it’s safe to take all the way to Gloucester so they tell me to come back, and they give me a choice of that one or the one that broke down. I chose the latter as at least it was all stuck together properly. On the way back I obviously avoided Birdlip so I took the A419 through Stroud instead. I didn’t know that there was another huge hill on the way out of Stroud and this one is a windy two-lane, not a sweeping three-lane. I get to the top and the heat gauge is just below the “stop” zone, so luckily there’s that lay-by at the top and I pull in there for a cool-off (not 90 mins this time though).

Then yesterday, they gave me Michelle again and assure me they’ve had it looked over by a fitter and it’s safe. Another of their drivers tell me that the noises are because the rubbers on the cab mounts are missing. He also asked me if I’d defected the steering problems on the other truck, and I said “no, I ran out of space after I mentioned the gearbox and brake problems” (I’d had a hint of them but only once and not enough to make a detailed defect, unlike the other two issues) but he’d had to stop driving that one because it was so dangerous. Thing is the bosses swear by them; they say they’ve had them from new and they can supposedly pull any load without a fuss. Anything the driver complains about, the excuse is “it’s an old truck, mate!”.

Generally around London we’re pretty spoiled for decent trucks because of the LEZ. I do know of a few operators around Staines area who have some older trucks that they reserve for non-London jobs – I had the agency ask me several times to drive an ERF for a marquee company and I refused as I don’t know what to do with a crash box as I’ve never seen one (they’ve now moved out of area). This is the first time I’ve seen a company use ancient tractors to do a long run on a regular basis, and they weren’t fine examples but battered old junk that should have been scrapped years ago. (The newer trucks they run aren’t in particularly good nick either.)

Anyway, the company was recently taken over by Geodis so perhaps they’ll invest in some new kit fairly soon, although their other depot near Heathrow uses a contractor (which has a fleet of smart MANs). But I was pretty staggered to see anything this old used near London and especially something in such poor condition. I had a good mind to walk out, but just settled for never accepting a job at this place ever again.

Why would you think " no chance " to a 2013 DAF ?

eagerbeaver:
Why would you think " no chance " to a 2013 DAF ?

There’s no chance of it there, is what I meant. I would have quite liked to drive that one. The drivers who have to go to Gloucester or Barnsley (!) have to drive the old scrap piles. Will edit though.

whats a crash box? :open_mouth:

Lol, no worries. Thought you were throwing a major limping diva fit!!

1.to the o/p…its a daf,so itl be prone to head probs as their a bag of crap being the remmnants of british Leyland,and if its legal,then your a limper,take what you get or get a job and laugh when someone else get the scrapheap,and 2 to priest…you have to be taking the pee…the sad thing is,you might not be. :confused:

New generation trucks that can’t handle the miles meet new generation drivers that can’t drive. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Priest:
whats a crash box? :open_mouth:

The best way to describe this is a gearbox with no synchromesh between the cogs. Pretty much all modern gearboxes have it. It means that in order to change gears you would probably have to dip the clutch pedal twice. The first time you take the stick out of the gear you are in, release the clutch and then push the clutch back in and engage the gear. It allows things to line up in the gear box thus giving you the chance to get the right gear.

Most crash boxes on modern trucks had pretty much disappeared when I passed my HGV test in 1987. Some where still around and I can still double de clutch should the need arise :smiley:

Crash box were you not taught to double de clutch or just not use the clutch to go up and down the box instead just match the engine revs to the gear you want

einstein:

Priest:
whats a crash box? :open_mouth:

The best way to describe this is a gearbox with no synchromesh between the cogs. Pretty much all modern gearboxes have it. It means that in order to change gears you would probably have to dip the clutch pedal twice. The first time you take the stick out of the gear you are in, release the clutch and then push the clutch back in and engage the gear. It allows things to line up in the gear box thus giving you the chance to get the right gear.

Most crash boxes on modern trucks had pretty much disappeared when I passed my HGV test in 1987. Some where still around and I can still double de clutch should the need arise :smiley:

ah, that makes sense, cheers. how do you know if the gearbox is non-sync’ed visually?

It’ll make a funny grinding noise if you get the revs wrong

No they hadn’t they were still going stong on ERF and Foden until the early 2000’s

The 95 had the 11.6 litre DAF engine, nothing to do with Leyland.

What was wrong with Leyland trucks anyway?

alix776:
It’ll make a funny grinding noise if you get the revs wrong

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14 years old :confused: I thought X was sept 2000 to feb 2001 making it at least 15 1/2 years old nearly 16

Priest:
ah, that makes sense, cheers. how do you know if the gearbox is non-sync’ed visually?

They are common in the US and Australia but in the UK they are only found on very old trucks – mostly ERFs and Fodens (pre-MAN and pre-Alpha), and the few Seddon Atkinsons still knocking around. Early Iveco EuroTechs also had crash boxes. Anything else either has a standard (i.e. synchromesh) manual gearbox or an automated one.

blue estate:
14 years old :confused: I thought X was sept 2000 to feb 2001 making it at least 15 1/2 years old nearly 16

Yes, you’re right; I was quoting what the boss said.

Priest:

einstein:

Priest:
whats a crash box? :open_mouth:

The best way to describe this is a gearbox with no synchromesh between the cogs. Pretty much all modern gearboxes have it. It means that in order to change gears you would probably have to dip the clutch pedal twice. The first time you take the stick out of the gear you are in, release the clutch and then push the clutch back in and engage the gear. It allows things to line up in the gear box thus giving you the chance to get the right gear.

Most crash boxes on modern trucks had pretty much disappeared when I passed my HGV test in 1987. Some where still around and I can still double de clutch should the need arise :smiley:

ah, that makes sense, cheers. how do you know if the gearbox is non-sync’ed visually?

Nothing will be visual until you start driving. If you can’t get the gear first time, then try the double dip method.

IndigoJo:

blue estate:
14 years old :confused: I thought X was sept 2000 to feb 2001 making it at least 15 1/2 years old nearly 16

Yes, you’re right; I was quoting what the boss said.

:laughing: so he don’t even know the age of his trucks
X 1 Sep 00 - 28 Feb 01

alix776:
Crash box were you not taught to double de clutch or just not use the clutch to go up and down the box instead just match the engine revs to the gear you want

No. Nobody who passed any time recently would have been taught on a crash box. They went out in the very early 2000s. When I took my class 2, eight-speed manuals were the minimum. I took my class 1 on an auto.

In my very very limited experience doubling the clutch helps, but matching the revs was the only way I could get a smooth change…