Franglais:
[q?There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
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The opposite is true.
isn’t it time the Canadians got into the 21st century and ditch their horses and buy police cars?
Franglais:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
I dont think the 20% are dictating to anyone, they want to be left alone and not have a medical procedure forced on them against their will.Im not an anti vaxxer ( Ive had 2 jabs ), Im pro choice but the thing I dont understand is this, if you are fully jabbed what difference does it make if the person next to you is jabbed or not ? Because fully jabbed can still catch it and pass it on, just like those anti vaxxers, so what is the difference ■■
The 20% have the choice still, whether to have the jab or not. But their choice has consequences.
If I choose not to wear a crash helmet, I can
t legally ride a motorcycle, my head getting bashed in doesnt affect anyone else, so why force me? Same with seat belts.
Well, it DOES impact on others.It will take more than couple of minutes to go through this, but I`ll have a go.
Muddying the water with crash helmets and seat belts is frankly pathetic.
Why does not having a jab have consequences ? This week ALL batflu restrictions are going in England, therefore it must only be a matter of weeks before Canada and the rest of the world follows suit. What will all the mask wearing big girls blouses do then ? Cos they will still be scared.
The war is over move on.
None of yous are fighting a war with this protest lark. Its just a excuse to behave like a ■■■■ for a bit then go home a pretend you stuck it to the man.
Each country sets its criteria for who can enter. If the yanks want visitors to have the jab guess what you getbit or don’t go.
the maoster:
Franglais:
, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.WHAAAAAT? Honestly, that is so far into the realms of fantasy as to be laughable!
Really?
What is wrong with what I said?
Please explain.
stu675:
Franglais:
[q?There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
.The opposite is true.
If I’ve got it wrong, please explain.
Franglais:
stu675:
Franglais:
[q?There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
.The opposite is true.
If I’ve got it wrong, please explain.
I’ve posted links before that show that the vaccinated are over represented in cases and hospitals. You don’t believe me and I don’t believe you, I can’t see it changing. So long as you know [emoji817] don’t agree with you.
stu675:
ve posted links before that show that the vaccinated are over represented in cases and hospitals. You don’t believe me and I don’t believe you, I can’t see it changing. So long as you know [emoji817] don’t agree with you.
In February we had this exchange.
Franglais:
stu675:
Franglais:
Does minus 150% effectiveness mean vaccinated people will die one-and-a-half times?
Or just get the virus twice from one infection?Explanation: Vaccinated people are 50% more likely to die from covid than unvaccinated people.
Official source: assets.publishing.service.gov.u … week-4.pdf
Analysis: dailysceptic.org/2022/01/29/vac … a-suggest/The bare figures are from UKHSA.
The report quoted also says the figures are incomplete and warns against their manipulation in the way done.Daily Sceptic leaves out that bit of the original UKHSA report…
Link here to FullFact.
fullfact.org/online/ukhsa-vacci … effective/The report mentions it has contacted Daily Sceptic which has refused to amend it’s “[zb]” despite being demonstrably wrong.
There are recent repors with vaccine effectiveness figures.
Nowhere i can see does it show “negative effectiveness”.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation … ectiveness
The OP screen shot is not of a UKHSA graph.
It is from a site claiming to use UKHSA figures then playing fast and loose with them.
It’s ■■■■■■■■.
I showed your assertions were based on lies, fictions, and misrepresentations.
As true now as then.
It was ■■■■■■■■ and lies then, it still is today.
You didn`t defend that previous post. You offered no explanation as to why FullFact were mistaken in describing the link…
The UKHSA report containing this data has been misunderstood and misused in this way many times before.
fullfact.org/online/ukhsa-vacci … effective/
I guess youre right in one way, so long as you believe that: black is white" we wont agree.
thehairyarsedtrucker:
This week ALL batflu restrictions are going in England, therefore it must only be a matter of weeks before Canada and the rest of the world follows suit. What will all the mask wearing big girls blouses do then ? Cos they will still be scared.The war is over move on.
“Batflu” ?
“The war is over”?
“Big girl`s blouse”?
“Scared”?
All from the playbook of 4 year olds in the playground.
Well it won`t work, cause my Dad Is bigger than your Dad.
See? I win!
Ed…sorry…
I know many 4 year olds are beyond such behaviour.
Franglais:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
This week ALL batflu restrictions are going in England, therefore it must only be a matter of weeks before Canada and the rest of the world follows suit. What will all the mask wearing big girls blouses do then ? Cos they will still be scared.The war is over move on.
“Batflu” ?
“The war is over”?
“Big girl`s blouse”?
“Scared”?All from the playbook of 4 year olds in the playground.
Well it won`t work, cause my Dad Is bigger than your Dad.
See? I win!Ed…sorry…
I know many 4 year olds are beyond such behaviour.
Ha Ha Ha
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Canada has over 80% of its population vaccinated.. (our world in data) Should a minority hold the majority hostage by blockading roads? ? [/quote] That doesn't exclude the possibility that 100% of the population opposes MANDATORY vaccination, which is what the protest is about. It was never protesting against the ability to be vaccinated. [/quote] There is not so far as I know any current move for compulsory vaccine in Canada. There has been discussion, but the Gov is NOT for it. [/quote] There is discrimination against truckers who cross the border who are not vaccinated. That is the same vein as mandatory vaccination. [/quote] The USA is deciding which foreigners are or arent allowed to enter.
Is that discrimination?
“Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong. People may be discriminated on the basis of race, gender, age, religion, or ■■■■■■ orientation, as well as other categories.” Wiki.
The distinction is due to vaccine status, so is that distinction Justified or Unjustified?
There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
Seems to me that is a reasonable justification to refuse a foreigner entry. Protect one`s own citizens.
The US can make any rules it wants, these rules seem as OK as any to me.
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The USA wouldn’t discriminate against incoming Muslims on Trump’s say-so,
so it is only fair that the US is now stopped from discriminating against incoming unvaxxed on Biden’s say-so.
We saw the invention of both Fascism and Communism in the last century.
Are we now seeing the invention-in-progress of “Technocracy” rather than “Meritocracy”, “Medicinary” over “Mediocrity” it presumably replaces, or even “Liar’s Dictatorship” over “Faithful and True” to rule the rest of us, not actually aligned to any political party as of yet?
I argue you cannot ban one, without banning them ALL.
None of them work, in any case.
stu675:
Franglais:
[q?There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
.The opposite is true.
I concur “The opposite is true”.
Just ask Her Maj, who was tripled jabbed, was surrounded only by people that had to be triple jabbed, to suit the fact that HM is of such an advanced age…
And yet, still she now catches Covid, as of course we ALL will, sooner or later.
The “Jab” clearly didn’t work, and probably never did. It is a placebo at best, a one-in-a-thousand chance of a blood clot at worst. Not because there is anything malignant in the actual injection contents, but rather just that so many jabs being dished out to so many of the population - left an awful lot of jabs being done by LESS than fully qualified medical personnel, especially in the out-patients “Clinics”… Seen any actual ranked Doctors and Nurses there lately in such places■■?
The very nature of a “Pandemic” is that it has already gone right around the world, and eventually becomes ENdemic - we’ll never be rid of it. The government seem to have come to their senses - ending all mandates by the end of this month.
What is the point of continuing?
It is only the Left who don’t want to give up their best opportunity since “National” Socialism last century to “Take over the whole world” using the Covid Crisis as a shoehorn into a new form of political control of the masses around the world…
Sturgeon - won’t have many friends left in Scotland - for pursuing just such an agenda…
People will bust her out of Holyroyd for being yet another politician “Who’s career ended in failure.”. She didn’t get Scotland out of the UK. She’s had YEARS to pull it off, but she’s not Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, or even Carrie Johnson when it comes to “punching above your political weight”… What will be left as any “Legacy” of Sturgeon - once she HAS gone?
…A Scottish economy considerably behind the UK economy, since the lockdown didn’t permit them to level-up with the rest of the UK…
The truckers have left/ been removed now.
The fall out will now begin.
thehairyarsedtrucker:
The truckers have left/ been removed now.The fall out will now begin.
The likely deal they were offered - was some kind of amnesty, rather than the imminent prospect of having not just vehicles confiscated, but also licences revoked as well.
It is entirely now upto the truckers - if they want to escalate this further, or “let it go”, taking an “Oh well, never mind” attitude to it all…
It is a longtime ago, but JFK realized that Jimmy Hoffa was organizing the teamsters so well that he could hold the country to ransom. He gave Robert Kennedy strict instructions to bring Jimmy Hoffa down.
Since then, all governments, worldwide, have maintained a policy of keeping the workers in the transport industry divided and toothless.
Trudeau dropped the ball when he let this protest get established. I bet all the leaders of all countries are cursing his egotistical and naive reaction as they now see what can be done.
ChrisArbon:
It is a longtime ago, but JFK realized that Jimmy Hoffa was organizing the teamsters so well that he could hold the country to ransom. He gave Robert Kennedy strict instructions to bring Jimmy Hoffa down.
Since then, all governments, worldwide, have maintained a policy of keeping the workers in the transport industry divided and toothless.
Trudeau dropped the ball when he let this protest get established. I bet all the leaders of all countries are cursing his egotistical and naive reaction as they now see what can be done.
JFK was long dead and buried when Hoffa was taken down in '67.
Everything else from that point on had more to do with Nixon.Bearing in mind Nixon’s soft line on Communism and corruption.Hoffa was obviously released by Nixon conditional on staying onside with Nixon’s agenda.
The rest is history.
This has more to do with the freedom associated with trucking doesn’t fit Trudeau’s and Biden’s control freak agenda 30 narrative.
Obviously no problem with far more unionised rail transport in that regard in typical Commy style.
Winseer:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
The truckers have left/ been removed now.The fall out will now begin.
The likely deal they were offered - was some kind of amnesty, rather than the imminent prospect of having not just vehicles confiscated, but also licences revoked as well.
It is entirely now upto the truckers - if they want to escalate this further, or “let it go”, taking an “Oh well, never mind” attitude to it all…
The fall out I was refering to is civil rights lawyers and the ballot box.
ChrisArbon:
It is a longtime ago, but JFK realized that Jimmy Hoffa was organizing the teamsters so well that he could hold the country to ransom. He gave Robert Kennedy strict instructions to bring Jimmy Hoffa down.
Since then, all governments, worldwide, have maintained a policy of keeping the workers in the transport industry divided and toothless.
Trudeau dropped the ball when he let this protest get established. I bet all the leaders of all countries are cursing his egotistical and naive reaction as they now see what can be done.
I could envisage the whole show being set up to initiate this full Castro- draco- rollout.Rumours are certainly circulating concerning the arrivals of UN personnel spotted in various places,mainly airports.Obviously Castro jr being little more than the requisite, WEF marionette of choice to usher in the NWO blue beret scum.
thehairyarsedtrucker:
Winseer:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
The truckers have left/ been removed now.The fall out will now begin.
The likely deal they were offered - was some kind of amnesty, rather than the imminent prospect of having not just vehicles confiscated, but also licences revoked as well.
It is entirely now upto the truckers - if they want to escalate this further, or “let it go”, taking an “Oh well, never mind” attitude to it all…
The fall out I was refering to is civil rights lawyers and the ballot box.
Not going to happen though - is it?
“Truckers sue government over their being stripped of human rights during protests, liberal party holds vote of no confidence in leader, leader falls, general election held, Conservatives take over, either with a majority, or in coalition with Mr Singh’s party”
People like Trudeau would stick pins in the eyes of any “disloyal” party members - if there was even a SNIFF of dissent against him.
How else can a minority government - expect to stay in power longer than the next week or two■■?
Franglais:
stu675:
Franglais:
[q?There is a greater risk of transmitting the virus by unvaccinated persons than vaccinated ones. If infected the virus can be passed on in both cases, but since the unvaccinated are more likely to become infected, they are a greater risk.
.The opposite is true.
If I’ve got it wrong, please explain.
Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
Just look at the stats. The most vaccinated countries have the highest case rates. It is not a coincidence, and there are more research papers on this phenomenon than I can be bothered to link.
nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials.
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ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology.
frontiersin.org/articles/10 … 40093/full
Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) may be involved in the clinical observation of increased severity of symptoms associated with early high levels of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in patients. Infants with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) associated with COVID-19 may also have ADE caused by maternally acquired SARS-CoV-2 antibodies bound to mast cells. ADE risks associated with SARS-CoV-2 has implications for COVID-19 and MIS-C treatments, B-cell vaccines, SARS-CoV-2 antibody therapy, and convalescent plasma therapy for patients. SARS-CoV-2 antibodies bound to mast cells may be involved in MIS-C and multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults (MIS-A) following initial COVID-19 infection. SARS-CoV-2 antibodies bound to Fc receptors on macrophages and mast cells may represent two different mechanisms for ADE in patients. These two different ADE risks have possible implications for SARS-CoV-2 B-cell vaccines for subsets of populations based on age, cross-reactive antibodies, variabilities in antibody levels over time, and pregnancy. These models place increased emphasis on the importance of developing safe SARS-CoV-2 T cell vaccines that are not dependent upon antibodies.
medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 114v1.full
If you think these people care about your health, think again:
science.org/content/article … ing-safety
The biggest concerns, however, are about the vaccine’s safety. In the largest trial, children who received Mosquirix had a risk of meningitis 10 times higher than those who received a control vaccine. Mosquirix may not have triggered the meningitis cases—there are other possible explanations—but the possible risk worried the global health community so much that, rather than rolling out the vaccine across Africa, the World Health Organization u has decided to set up a pilot in Malawi, Ghana, and Kenya in which the vaccine will be given to hundreds of thousands of children.[/u]
…nothing like doubling-down on a monumental [zb] up, huh!
This is the kicker…from 2012:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/
However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.
It is a fact that the current SARS-CoV-2 “vaccines” cause massive coronary, pulmonary, and other issues in humans. In the past 12 months there has been a 300%+ increase in pro footballers having sudden stroke and heart attack leading to death vs. the 12-year average, and countless hundreds of other athletes (that we know about) have either retired or “taken a break” for sudden heart conditions (again, all following vaccination).
The MSM are normalizing heart conditions in what were perfectly fit and healthy individuals, and for the first time in the medical records, children under the age of 10 are experiencing heart attacks and strokes following vaccination. Of course, the MSM say it is just a “conspiracy theory”.
We have built a time-bomb, and the MSM and Governments are currently doing all they can to bury the truth. To help you feel more at ease, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical staff that administer these “vaccines” have been given immunity from prosecution for any injury or death caused by the “vaccines”.