robroy:
Ffs …why won’t you people read the text.
Quote; Everyday traffic offences NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD RESULT IN MANSLAUGHTER’’ un quote.
Everyday traffic offences= cutting in/pulling out/undertaking/not signalling.
It’s like pulling [zb] teeth.
Not every [zb] offence misdemeanour or even dangerous manouvre results in death!!
Rob, mate, I think you’re fighting a losing battle on this because it’s such a grey area.
I agree you shouldn’t bother with everyday idiots, but what I would say is I think you’ve been on the road long enough, as have many others on here, to know the difference between being a bit feckless, making a slight error or just being outright dangerous.
It’s those dangerous ones that need the phone calls making.
I will happily admit that i have rung up a few times about drivers on phones, it took a lot but in every case it was because they were either weaving or did the classic of just slowing down. I didn’t ring the police, it’s a waste of time, I rang the company and reported it. You can call me grass all day long but I did it because I witnessed each driver being so distracted that they were not in control, and that’s when you can end up with the links that were posted. I despise drivers scrolling through phones and texting, its selfish and dangerous each and every time they do it.
I didn’t get any response from one of the calls but the others did ring back and say it was being dealt with, now maybe it was or maybe nothing happened but I’d like to think that even if a “word” was had then it might make a difference??
The only other thing I would say is that plenty on here moan about professional standards slipping, the image of the industry etc etc so if it’s so important then why is it a bad thing to weed out the scum in the industry that ruin it for everyone else? Those drivers that keep crashing and bumping things might well be costing you your pay rise and maybe even your job if the company keeps having incidents, sometimes it’s about the bigger picture and lets face it, the police are a complete waste of time…
But that’s another point to this, the Police will continue to be a waste of time if their job is being done for them by self appointed volunteers.
Don’t get me wrong I’d love to expel the incompetent f/whits in the job, but it’s a step too far imo appointing yourself as some kind of ■■■■ poor substitute for the Traffic Police.
It all adds up to the ‘‘Divide and conquer’’ adage, and I’m sure all this blind obedience that goes along with that has been indirectly taught in schools to a certain generation when I look around.
Anyway that takes the argument to yet another level, but to get back to the point it’s the types that this ‘‘report everybody’’ philosophy attracts.
Example… those who stage stuff themselves to be heroes
Example… those who just about make it their life’s crusade as if driven by God Almighty, a bit like our mate in fact.
I had a trivial altercation with some knob in Carlisle over something and nothing, I was driving a Belgian registered truck at that time, so knob thought it would be funny to get his revenge by phoning the local Old Bill saying he’d seen ‘‘A foreigner in a truck swigging from a bottle of whiskey’’
I got pulled heading home by a local copper who I know very well , who later payed the knob a visit afterwards for wasting Police time.
That was a result but you get my drift about the calibre and type of people can be and those who phone the law as a ■■■■ hobby.
I’ve only been driving lorries for 3 years but driving in total for 35 years. Only once have I phoned the police, and that was last year when what looked like a group of illegals ran from the back of a trailer across the M40. I’m sure we see things every day that are stupid or even verging on dangerous, personally I just think what a knobhead and carry on. It’s a sad state we are getting into when we are constantly judging others and the love of being offended by the slightest remark. Far too many self righteous people about now sitting in judgement when in fact we all make mistakes.
Last night, on my way home, I was on a country road. Entering a village, I slowed to the 30 limit. I looked in the mirror, and saw a car approaching at about 90. A bit of background here, I spent my teens growing up on inner London backstreets, my “this ain’t right” radar is pretty well developed. I’m also an ex-racer, bicycles, 250s, clubman rallying, hillclimbing and bangers. Anyway, matey comes tearing past me, up to a T junction, and just about gets her turned. I look in the mirror again, and there’s a second car, roughly twelve seconds behind the first one. I’m indicating right, he starts flashing like mad as I get to the junction. At this second, I get a flashback, in true 80s movie style, of a rival banger racer overtaking me, and I think “I’m gonna turn this prick”.
Sanity prevails (for me) matey, nearly loses it, but gets around in hot pursuit of car 1. It then dawns on me that it’s not a race, it’s a chase. I turn right, and carry on. About thirty seconds later, car 1 re-appears in my mirror, doing about the ton, as I’m approaching a narrow bridge, on a 90 left in, 90 right out. He locks her up and passes me on the bridge (blind). Car two duly appears having lost about eight seconds since the last encounter, passes me, and a few more cars, then disappears into the distance. This wasn’t boy racers having a bit of fun, this was a serious pursuit, based on love or money, in my opinion.
What would my fellow Truckneters have done, would you have called the cops?
Drempels:
Last night, on my way home, I was on a country road. Entering a village, I slowed to the 30 limit. I looked in the mirror, and saw a car approaching at about 90. A bit of background here, I spent my teens growing up on inner London backstreets, my “this ain’t right” radar is pretty well developed. I’m also an ex-racer, bicycles, 250s, clubman rallying, hillclimbing and bangers. Anyway, matey comes tearing past me, up to a T junction, and just about gets her turned. I look in the mirror again, and there’s a second car, roughly twelve seconds behind the first one. I’m indicating right, he starts flashing like mad as I get to the junction. At this second, I get a flashback, in true 80s movie style, of a rival banger racer overtaking me, and I think “I’m gonna turn this prick”.
Sanity prevails (for me) matey, nearly loses it, but gets around in hot pursuit of car 1. It then dawns on me that it’s not a race, it’s a chase. I turn right, and carry on. About thirty seconds later, car 1 re-appears in my mirror, doing about the ton, as I’m approaching a narrow bridge, on a 90 left in, 90 right out. He locks her up and passes me on the bridge (blind). Car two duly appears having lost about eight seconds since the last encounter, passes me, and a few more cars, then disappears into the distance. This wasn’t boy racers having a bit of fun, this was a serious pursuit, based on love or money, in my opinion.
What would my fellow Truckneters have done, would you have called the cops?
I’d be like you, streetwise enough not to get involved.
They were probably two cars filled with rival Kray esque type drug gangs, heavy faces who would have put 2 and 2 together when the law turned up,.and could well have clocked your reg, with all the future grief that situation would bring.
Ok fair enough, it’s a bit ‘B movie’ ,…so on the other hand 2 young ■■■■ heads out to impress (or even scare the crap out of) their girlfriends.
But that’s the point…you just do not know who you are dealing with.
Drempels:
What would my fellow Truckneters have done, would you have called the cops?
In all honesty probably not,.
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I didn’t, the reason being, if I had, the authorities would have my details in minutes. Given that policing seems to be “results-driven” now, I’m not going to potentially become a pawn in a game of cops and robbers. I have faith in some Police Officers, but absolutely none in the criminal justice system.
Drempels:
Last night, on my way home, I was on a country road. Entering a village, I slowed to the 30 limit. I looked in the mirror, and saw a car approaching at about 90. A bit of background here, I spent my teens growing up on inner London backstreets, my “this ain’t right” radar is pretty well developed. I’m also an ex-racer, bicycles, 250s, clubman rallying, hillclimbing and bangers. Anyway, matey comes tearing past me, up to a T junction, and just about gets her turned. I look in the mirror again, and there’s a second car, roughly twelve seconds behind the first one. I’m indicating right, he starts flashing like mad as I get to the junction. At this second, I get a flashback, in true 80s movie style, of a rival banger racer overtaking me, and I think “I’m gonna turn this prick”.
Sanity prevails (for me) matey, nearly loses it, but gets around in hot pursuit of car 1. It then dawns on me that it’s not a race, it’s a chase. I turn right, and carry on. About thirty seconds later, car 1 re-appears in my mirror, doing about the ton, as I’m approaching a narrow bridge, on a 90 left in, 90 right out. He locks her up and passes me on the bridge (blind). Car two duly appears having lost about eight seconds since the last encounter, passes me, and a few more cars, then disappears into the distance. This wasn’t boy racers having a bit of fun, this was a serious pursuit, based on love or money, in my opinion.
What would my fellow Truckneters have done, would you have called the cops?
I’d be like you, streetwise enough not to get involved.
They were probably two cars filled with rival Kray esque type drug gangs, heavy faces who would have put 2 and 2 together when the law turned up,.and could well have clocked your reg, with all the future grief that situation would bring.
Ok fair enough, it’s a bit ‘B movie’ ,…so on the other hand 2 young ■■■■ heads out to impress (or even scare the crap out of) their girlfriends.
But that’s the point…you just do not know who you are dealing with.
Absolutely spot-on. Yeah, it is a bit B movie, I must admit!
As NWA famously said: “ you are about to witness the strength of street knowledge”. ■■■■ shame that we need it, but this is the world we live in.
robroy: Reporting people to the police - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK
Saw this on the new driver’s forum, only because a mate rang me and told me…What’s the opinion on this from experienced drivers?
Is this an example of how new drivers today are thinking?
Do we not have enough of these Big Brother Stazi type.arse wipes as it is in the public without having to contend with fellow drivers grassing others up.
Their idea of a traffic offence in their self arrogant way could easily be a complete genuine accident, a misunderstanding a misdemranour, so because of these [zb] s you get a call off your boss at the least or in theory a contact off the law…if they can actually be arsed that is.
Leave the policing to The Police ffs, and either join them yourself if you are that way out, or better still get a [zb] life and mind your own [zb] business.
Not on about your wife/daughter/son/dog/cat or ferret getting knocked over either before the usual suspects jump in …I’m on about everyday traffic situations.
Rob, I’ve put about this before. Other drivers being all over the road because they are on Facebook or watching a film. No I don’t want to report them but it’s getting far too often now. Do we just hope we can pass them without accidents? I appreciate you don’t want to ‘grass’ anyone up and nor do I but it is getting ridiculous.
Drempels:
Last night, on my way home, I was on a country road. Entering a village, I slowed to the 30 limit. I looked in the mirror, and saw a car approaching at about 90. A bit of background here, I spent my teens growing up on inner London backstreets, my “this ain’t right” radar is pretty well developed. I’m also an ex-racer, bicycles, 250s, clubman rallying, hillclimbing and bangers. Anyway, matey comes tearing past me, up to a T junction, and just about gets her turned. I look in the mirror again, and there’s a second car, roughly twelve seconds behind the first one. I’m indicating right, he starts flashing like mad as I get to the junction. At this second, I get a flashback, in true 80s movie style, of a rival banger racer overtaking me, and I think “I’m gonna turn this prick”.
Sanity prevails (for me) matey, nearly loses it, but gets around in hot pursuit of car 1. It then dawns on me that it’s not a race, it’s a chase. I turn right, and carry on. About thirty seconds later, car 1 re-appears in my mirror, doing about the ton, as I’m approaching a narrow bridge, on a 90 left in, 90 right out. He locks her up and passes me on the bridge (blind). Car two duly appears having lost about eight seconds since the last encounter, passes me, and a few more cars, then disappears into the distance. This wasn’t boy racers having a bit of fun, this was a serious pursuit, based on love or money, in my opinion.
What would my fellow Truckneters have done, would you have called the cops?
I’d be like you, streetwise enough not to get involved.
They were probably two cars filled with rival Kray esque type drug gangs, heavy faces who would have put 2 and 2 together when the law turned up,.and could well have clocked your reg, with all the future grief that situation would bring.
Ok fair enough, it’s a bit ‘B movie’ ,…so on the other hand 2 young ■■■■ heads out to impress (or even scare the crap out of) their girlfriends.
But that’s the point…you just do not know who you are dealing with.
Absolutely spot-on. Yeah, it is a bit B movie, I must admit!
As NWA famously said: “ you are about to witness the strength of street knowledge”. ■■■■ shame that we need it, but this is the world we live in.
Yep…and there’s at least one on here who could get his come uppance if he grasses up the wrong man one day… who later finds out his whereabouts.
I once said something else a bit like that on here,.and some superstar took it as a veiled threat and you guessed it…threatened to report me to the Police …I kid you not!
So …can I just cover my arse by saying that I am DEFINITELY not threatening anybody on here or in fact anywhere.
The things you have to do to appease the snowflakes eh?
robroy: Reporting people to the police - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK
Saw this on the new driver’s forum, only because a mate rang me and told me…What’s the opinion on this from experienced drivers?
Is this an example of how new drivers today are thinking?
Do we not have enough of these Big Brother Stazi type.arse wipes as it is in the public without having to contend with fellow drivers grassing others up.
Their idea of a traffic offence in their self arrogant way could easily be a complete genuine accident, a misunderstanding a misdemranour, so because of these [zb] s you get a call off your boss at the least or in theory a contact off the law…if they can actually be arsed that is.
Leave the policing to The Police ffs, and either join them yourself if you are that way out, or better still get a [zb] life and mind your own [zb] business.
Not on about your wife/daughter/son/dog/cat or ferret getting knocked over either before the usual suspects jump in …I’m on about everyday traffic situations.
Rob, I’ve put about this before. Other drivers being all over the road because they are on Facebook or watching a film. No I don’t want to report them but it’s getting far too often now. Do we just hope we can pass them without accidents? I appreciate you don’t want to ‘grass’ anyone up and nor do I but it is getting ridiculous.
I know mate, it is, I agree.
But something needs to be done about it on an official basis, proper old style Traffic Division Police patrolling the M.way d3aling with real events and occurences, not looking for truckers drinking coffee.
Bloody hell, if only it was just the snowflakes! I had to make the scenario I just outlined, vague enough to not be admissible in any court (It wasn’t last night, and it wasn’t a country road, but nobody reading this would know that, eh? )
I mean, really, where are we? You can’t be a goodie or a baddie any more, the whole place has been greyed out to the point of insanity, for ■■■■ sake.
robroy: Reporting people to the police - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK
Saw this on the new driver’s forum, only because a mate rang me and told me…What’s the opinion on this from experienced drivers?
Is this an example of how new drivers today are thinking?
Do we not have enough of these Big Brother Stazi type.arse wipes as it is in the public without having to contend with fellow drivers grassing others up.
Their idea of a traffic offence in their self arrogant way could easily be a complete genuine accident, a misunderstanding a misdemranour, so because of these [zb] s you get a call off your boss at the least or in theory a contact off the law…if they can actually be arsed that is.
Leave the policing to The Police ffs, and either join them yourself if you are that way out, or better still get a [zb] life and mind your own [zb] business.
Not on about your wife/daughter/son/dog/cat or ferret getting knocked over either before the usual suspects jump in …I’m on about everyday traffic situations.
Rob, I’ve put about this before. Other drivers being all over the road because they are on Facebook or watching a film. No I don’t want to report them but it’s getting far too often now. Do we just hope we can pass them without accidents? I appreciate you don’t want to ‘grass’ anyone up and nor do I but it is getting ridiculous.
Some don’t grass even if a driver is driving dangerously because its up to the police
Some do like to report dangerous driving and feel they have a duty of care towards others.
There are arguments for and against both of the above but personally I feel something needs to be done to get dangerous drivers off the roads and prevent innocent people being injured and killed by these morons who seem to think they are above the law.
jakethesnake:
There are arguments for and against both of the above but personally I feel something needs to be done to get dangerous drivers off the roads and prevent innocent people being injured and killed by these morons who seem to think they are above the law.
No right minded individual could possibly disagree with that Jake, the differences here stem from just HOW to achieve the result. I’m firmly in the camp of letting the police police, however financial cut after financial cut have quite frankly left them in a position where it’s not strictly possible to do that. My gripe with the public taking it upon themselves to police the roads is that some slimy politician is going to use that as an excuse to chop even more funding to the police.
The problem is that high profile policing looked at through the eyes of a beancounter is extremely expensive with a (relatively) little financial reward. Obviously the fact that every road death costs the taxpayer £x million (I’m sure that the figures are there in the public domain) is overlooked conveniently in the pursuit of cost cutting.
The only thing I’m certain of is that I don’t know the answer, if I did I wouldn’t be cocking about in a lorry tomorrow to put food on my table.
Ok once called a company more to let them know then get driver into trouble but a decker was going to turn right on to a narrow weak bridge ( it has been like that since before the 90’s so not new )
Phoned company although it was after 18.00 yep there was someone there to answer explained where it was guy other end of phone knew where & said yep it was would have a look & speak to driver as said the police often drive along that road if he was caught by them of the single decker service bus that is allowed to go over ( if it is a double they have to go a different way )
Didn’t leave my name or number as it was more to let them know & warn the driver not to do
Yes there is another way to that industrial est & much easier
animal:
Ok once called a company more to let them know then get driver into trouble but a decker was going to turn right on to a narrow weak bridge ( it has been like that since before the 90’s so not new )
Phoned company although it was after 18.00 yep there was someone there to answer explained where it was guy other end of phone knew where & said yep it was would have a look & speak to driver as said the police often drive along that road if he was caught by them of the single decker service bus that is allowed to go over ( if it is a double they have to go a different way )
Didn’t leave my name or number as it was more to let them know & warn the driver not to do
Yes there is another way to that industrial est & much easier
That’s a whole different situation mate, I might have done the same… if I could be arsed on the day.
I’m assuming you were ringing not to get the driver into trouble and get some gloating pants creaming self satisfaction (as some of the evident low life we’ve been on about ) but to get the driver pre warned and prevent a classic balls up or even an epic bridge collapse disaster, he may have even thanked you for it.
ie.Helping other drivers, not dropping them in the ■■■■.
robroy:
So that said, …if you want to carry this conversation on so be it, but to be honest mate I’ve already stated what I think of people who grass up other people, and if I’m brutally honest, sorry but I get a sense of contempt and disgust even communicating with you, (it’s just the way I’ve been brought up) along with a bit of amusement, also tbf, so if you want to call it a day on this conversation I’m more than up for it.
Cheers.
Not being funny mate - but ‘grass’ is too broad a brush.
People who go out of their way to cause other people problems and harm them are beneath contempt. But I’m not a fan of labelling everyone who raises an issue as a wrong un.
Here are some examples of me. I pushed the button turning the light to red and then pulled the unit forward. At one site (I was working at might I add) a driver took it upon himself to not only hurl abuse at me - but also reported me to the transport manager and the company trainers. I had to have ‘retraining’ which I accepted because I was being paid. So I never spoke to the bloke again.
But I once knew a drug dealer who not only peddled poison in the form of Heroin to people. But he also took over vulnerable peoples homes to use as drug houses. He’d make them sleep on the floor in the toilet and attacked them if they dared complain. I had no problem with going to the police and telling them all I knew. If I’d have been a ‘real man’ and tried to deal with it myself I could have been stabbed or shot. I have no regrets - even if I am a grass and scum in some peoples eyes. I’m not sure what the police did with my information tbh.
My point is that if you see something truly awful (to you) and you are not able to deal with it - then I think there is nothing wrong with escalating that. If I worked with you and rocked up truly drunk I’d hope you slapped me and told me to go home. If I refused and decided to get in the cab I think you’d be lacking in moral fibre if you didn’t ‘grass me’. But this is just my opinion.
I’ve taken a lot of words to basically say - that I don’t think there is a one size fits all approach to anything. We all have made mistakes and done things we are not proud off. We all wish we could go back and change things. I’ve done things that could have landed me in prison, and through luck I got away with it. I don’t judge anyone - apart from myself. And I have to do what I think is right in the given situation.
robroy:
So that said, …if you want to carry this conversation on so be it, but to be honest mate I’ve already stated what I think of people who grass up other people, and if I’m brutally honest, sorry but I get a sense of contempt and disgust even communicating with you, (it’s just the way I’ve been brought up) along with a bit of amusement, also tbf, so if you want to call it a day on this conversation I’m more than up for it.
Cheers.
Not being funny mate - but ‘grass’ is too broad a brush.
People who go out of their way to cause other people problems and harm them are beneath contempt. But I’m not a fan of labelling everyone who raises an issue as a wrong un.
Here are some examples of me. I pushed the button turning the light to red and then pulled the unit forward. At one site (I was working at might I add) a driver took it upon himself to not only hurl abuse at me - but also reported me to the transport manager and the company trainers. I had to have ‘retraining’ which I accepted because I was being paid. So I never spoke to the bloke again.
But I once knew a drug dealer who not only peddled poison in the form of Heroin to people. But he also took over vulnerable peoples homes to use as drug houses. He’d make them sleep on the floor in the toilet and attacked them if they dared complain. I had no problem with going to the police and telling them all I knew. If I’d have been a ‘real man’ and tried to deal with it myself I could have been stabbed or shot. I have no regrets - even if I am a grass and scum in some peoples eyes. I’m not sure what the police did with my information tbh.
My point is that if you see something truly awful (to you) and you are not able to deal with it - then I think there is nothing wrong with escalating that. If I worked with you and rocked up truly drunk I’d hope you slapped me and told me to go home. If I refused and decided to get in the cab I think you’d be lacking in moral fibre if you didn’t ‘grass me’. But this is just my opinion.
I’ve taken a lot of words to basically say - that I don’t think there is a one size fits all approach to anything. We all have made mistakes and done things we are not proud off. We all wish we could go back and change things. I’ve done things that could have landed me in prison, and through luck I got away with it. I don’t judge anyone - apart from myself. And I have to do what I think is right in the given situation.
Which is why I KEEP saying again, again …and again on this subject , for people who can not grasp it (or for the dumb ones like Conor ) I’m referring to the thread subject…everyday traffic offences!!!
Of course you have to weigh up the individual merits for different situations, that is obvious.
If some pond life drug dealer was trying to palm off crap to my kids, some paedo that was active in my neighbourhood, or a young girl was raped or any type of major and serious wrongdoing like that, the Police should be helped to take scum like that off the streets.
Where as matey ringing the law everytime somebody pulls out in front of him, or ringing a driver’s firm if he is cut up, is a lot different…but I reckon I’ve said this already.
That will teach me for not really reading most of it and just spewing what comes into my head.
I agree with RobRoy - anyone sad enough to go out of their way to get someone into trouble (and potentially make them lose their livelihoods) over something as pathetic as a nothing incident is pond life. Sometimes people make mistakes - and sometimes rules are ignored for a load of reasons. Live and let live.
, who later payed the knob a visit afterwards for wasting Police time.
,…so on the other hand 2 young ■■■■ heads out to impress (or even scare the crap out of) their girlfriends.
