i’m amazed in all these posts nobody has mentioned “duty of care”.
picks popcorn up and sits down. continue…
jakethesnake:
Not having a pop at you just saying how your statement in a recent thread was totally wrong and it was confirmed (wrong) by 2 other forum members.
Tailgating was far far less by lorries in the 70’s and as you did not pass your HGV till 83 I wonder how you have that in your mind?
Not sure how…
Peoples opinions can be confirmed as wrong or right? In my opinion as I stated in another thread, tailgating was just as evident then as now. That’s my opinion, it’s not wrong or right it’s a view I’m expressing. Not sure of your age but my opinion comes from riding around in the back of my dads Vauxhall Victor 101 estate and looking at ERFs and Fodens driving about five feet away from the rear window all the time.
Other people’s opinions about tailgating in the 70s is different to mine. No one is right and no one is wrong.
yourhavingalarf:
jakethesnake:
Not having a pop at you just saying how your statement in a recent thread was totally wrong and it was confirmed (wrong) by 2 other forum members.
Tailgating was far far less by lorries in the 70’s and as you did not pass your HGV till 83 I wonder how you have that in your mind?Not sure how…
Peoples opinions can be confirmed as wrong or right? In my opinion as I stated in another thread, tailgating was just as evident then as now. That’s my opinion, it’s not wrong or right it’s a view I’m expressing. Not sure of your age but my opinion comes from riding around in the back of my dads Vauxhall Victor 101 estate and looking at ERFs and Fodens driving about five feet away from the rear window all the time.
Other people’s opinions about tailgating in the 70s is different to mine. No one is right and no one is wrong.
I would politely argue with that.
Tailgating may (or not) have been worse in the 70s. Assuming we cannot prove which, doesn't mean the difference isn't there. So, the difference may be a fact. In the absence of proof your opinion is as valid as anyones, BUT only one of those opinions represents the actual historical truth, so only one is ultimately uniquely valid…
I think…
feel free to have a different opinion.
I would happily report drivers of any kind texting or staring at their phones if I actually thought something could or would be done about it. Like most people on here I must see it several times a day and cannot believe the idiocy of it
yourhavingalarf:
jakethesnake:
Not having a pop at you just saying how your statement in a recent thread was totally wrong and it was confirmed (wrong) by 2 other forum members.
Tailgating was far far less by lorries in the 70’s and as you did not pass your HGV till 83 I wonder how you have that in your mind?Not sure how…
Peoples opinions can be confirmed as wrong or right? In my opinion as I stated in another thread, tailgating was just as evident then as now. That’s my opinion, it’s not wrong or right it’s a view I’m expressing. Not sure of your age but my opinion comes from riding around in the back of my dads Vauxhall Victor 101 estate and looking at ERFs and Fodens driving about five feet away from the rear window all the time.
Other people’s opinions about tailgating in the 70s is different to mine. No one is right and no one is wrong.
Yes we all have opinions which may be right or wrong but when it comes to facts that is a different story.
In the seventies on motorways (which was the subject at the time) there were no streams of vehicles nose to tail like there is now. The volume of traffic was obviously a factor but tailgating was far less prevalent than now.
As was also said it was when speed limiters were introduced the real bad tailgating started.
Also before limiters there was no elephant racing.
Now these are facts from someone who drove lorries all through the seventies.
m.a.n rules:
i’m amazed in all these posts nobody has mentioned “duty of care”.picks popcorn up and sits down. continue…
Very good point, strange how it’s been ignored.
chester:
commonrail:
chester:
Iam sure my promotion at work to a Lead Driver was because I always let the office know if they drivers were running amock, not following procedures or if I’d seen them not acting professionally with clients.
Or if I’d seen them parked up having extra breaks in lay-bys etc.Ever get chucked off the waltzer?
youtu.be/kIC0aQ56ASEWhat a strange question to propose!
However in this rollercoaster industry we find ourselves in, you will find Iam top of my game.
Just wish others would follow my suit.
Soz chester,I was hammered.
toonsy:
jakethesnake:
In now 20 years of driving trucks, buses and coaches abroad and at home, in the country and city, I’ve not once felt an urge or a need to call the police or a company about someone else’s driving.Just as a matter of interest, if you saw a driver driving dangerously one day and the next they fatally injured someone you knew well by the same style of dangerous driving how would you feel about it all?
Probably the same way I feel about watching the late night drunks getting rowdy round town knowing full well if they scrap and a ‘wrong’ punch is thrown one of them could be dead. As happened to a mate of mine. I don’t report every drunk person I see either.
Really? I don’t see how drunks fighting on a night out and a wrong punch being thrown is comparable to…Lets say a sober driver driving a 44 ton truck, lets say looking at a screen and not looking where he is going and knocking someone over and killing them.?
Where’s the logic? 
robroy:
Just come up from Avonmouth to Wigan area in last 4 hours, and for the hell of it I counted how many acts of bell endedness I saw on the M5/M6.
Score up to press is 10, …and then of course there was the obligatory carnival procession of about 7 cars hogging the middle lane at 43mph, holding every [zb] up.
So that would have been 11 calls to The Old Bill, if I had been our mate on here ‘‘The Traffic Equalizer’’So 11 calls every 4 hours driving that he does on average, would be 22 calls a day or 110 in a 5 day week
HOW TF is he concentrating on his OWN work, whilst on his one man traffic based crusade to ‘‘Right all wrongs, and keep the public safe’’
I bet the old bill love him eh with a resounding…‘‘Oh not this [zb] again with his traffic reports’’ after every call.
So…if you’re interested mate I’ve got about 15 assorted registrations, I could pm to you.
I could be the ‘‘Robin’’ to your ‘‘Batman’’ type character
Also, when I think about it you know
Got to make jokes out of this as the thought of all this and how some truck drivers have plummeted in calibre and character to utter depths to actually report each other
[/quote1. If you watched a driver come into you yard or some idiot come out of the local on the corner. Both blind drunk in a sorry state and jump in a vehicle to drive away,would you turn a blind eye and be able to go about your business knowing they are on the road? I am no traffic equalizer and am certainly not whiter than white, again unfortunately I’ll make mistakes and sadly some of those may be a little to close, hopefully I and those around me will get away with it. I don’t go about making countless calls to firms and various police forces up and down this land and know a mistake or misunderstanding when I see it but a deliberate act of stupidity or dangerous driving, my conscious could not let that go. The phone call may amount to nothing but it’s in their court then, should your man who was watching tv on his iPhone in lane 3 in a stretch where it stops suddenly quite often fail to stop and put his car into the back of another and god forbid someone loses there life I wouldn’t be happy to of let that ride. We have a duty of care to other road users further down the road aswell as those immediately around us, our licence says professional on it.
Quinny:
bald bloke:
Well I’ve never grassed anyone up yet in all my years of driving but if I ever saw someone clearly drunk whilst driving I may have to make the that call but that’s it.I follow several Police forces on FB, and one last night posted that after a call from a landlord, they stopped the driver and car concerned, and he blew 155, that’s nearly 5 times over the limit.
To me, that is serious enough to have to call the Police, and I hope the guy gets locked up for it. There is NO excuse to get behind the wheel when you that sozzled.
Ken.
Did the driver consume all that alcohol to become that intoxicated on said licenced premises?
Will the licencee get done?
richie22:
robroy:
Just come up from Avonmouth to Wigan area in last 4 hours, and for the hell of it I counted how many acts of bell endedness I saw on the M5/M6.
Score up to press is 10, …and then of course there was the obligatory carnival procession of about 7 cars hogging the middle lane at 43mph, holding every [zb] up.
So that would have been 11 calls to The Old Bill, if I had been our mate on here ‘‘The Traffic Equalizer’’So 11 calls every 4 hours driving that he does on average, would be 22 calls a day or 110 in a 5 day week
HOW TF is he concentrating on his OWN work, whilst on his one man traffic based crusade to ‘‘Right all wrongs, and keep the public safe’’
I bet the old bill love him eh with a resounding…‘‘Oh not this [zb] again with his traffic reports’’ after every call.
So…if you’re interested mate I’ve got about 15 assorted registrations, I could pm to you.
I could be the ‘‘Robin’’ to your ‘‘Batman’’ type character
Also, when I think about it you knowGot to make jokes out of this as the thought of all this and how some truck drivers have plummeted in calibre and character to utter depths to actually report each other
[/quote1. If you watched a driver come into you yard or some idiot come out of the local on the corner. Both blind drunk in a sorry state and jump in a vehicle to drive away,would you turn a blind eye and be able to go about your business knowing they are on the road? I am no traffic equalizer and am certainly not whiter than white, again unfortunately I’ll make mistakes and sadly some of those may be a little to close, hopefully I and those around me will get away with it. I don’t go about making countless calls to firms and various police forces up and down this land and know a mistake or misunderstanding when I see it but a deliberate act of stupidity or dangerous driving, my conscious could not let that go. The phone call may amount to nothing but it’s in their court then, should your man who was watching tv on his iPhone in lane 3 in a stretch where it stops suddenly quite often fail to stop and put his car into the back of another and god forbid someone loses there life I wouldn’t be happy to of let that ride. We have a duty of care to other road users further down the road aswell as those immediately around us, our licence says professional on it.
[/quote][/quote]
How many more times do I have to ■■■■ say this…I’m on about everyday traffic offences, general stuff, not something that could result in manslaughter ffs, …NOT ■■■■■■■■■ driving…Jeez H.Why go to the worst case scenario/worst offence possible to justify your ‘‘Responsible Citizen of the people’’ ‘‘The Traffic equalizer’’ stance, we all get it,… you feel some divine compulsion to be the ‘‘Righter of wrongs’’ in all things traffic related.
So …how do you select who should be grassed up and who should not?,
When you sit in judgement of every ■■■■ else on the road do you have an amnesty on say… cutting in on certain days, and on pulling out on others, then alternate them on week to week or what?
What do you do if you have too many,? log them and ring in so many per day, or does that create a backlog until it takes over from your mundane truck driving duties?
I’m really interested !!
Ok, I’m lying really I could not give a two penny ■■■■, I’m just astounded that you are arrogant enough to sit pontificating and judging other drivers and road users to this extent.Congratulations, you’re a paragon of virtue mate, but seriously your talents are wasted driving trucks,.a career with VOSA working your way up to Traffic Commissioner would befit your stature more.
So that said, …if you want to carry this conversation on so be it, but to be honest mate I’ve already stated what I think of people who grass up other people, and if I’m brutally honest, sorry but I get a sense of contempt and disgust even communicating with you, (it’s just the way I’ve been brought up) along with a bit of amusement, also tbf, so if you want to call it a day on this conversation I’m more than up for it.
Cheers.
robroy:
richie22:
robroy:
Just come up from Avonmouth to Wigan area in last 4 hours, and for the hell of it I counted how many acts of bell endedness I saw on the M5/M6.
Score up to press is 10, …and then of course there was the obligatory carnival procession of about 7 cars hogging the middle lane at 43mph, holding every [zb] up.
So that would have been 11 calls to The Old Bill, if I had been our mate on here ‘‘The Traffic Equalizer’’So 11 calls every 4 hours driving that he does on average, would be 22 calls a day or 110 in a 5 day week
HOW TF is he concentrating on his OWN work, whilst on his one man traffic based crusade to ‘‘Right all wrongs, and keep the public safe’’
I bet the old bill love him eh with a resounding…‘‘Oh not this [zb] again with his traffic reports’’ after every call.
So…if you’re interested mate I’ve got about 15 assorted registrations, I could pm to you.
I could be the ‘‘Robin’’ to your ‘‘Batman’’ type character
Also, when I think about it you knowGot to make jokes out of this as the thought of all this and how some truck drivers have plummeted in calibre and character to utter depths to actually report each other
[/quote1. If you watched a driver come into you yard or some idiot come out of the local on the corner. Both blind drunk in a sorry state and jump in a vehicle to drive away,would you turn a blind eye and be able to go about your business knowing they are on the road? I am no traffic equalizer and am certainly not whiter than white, again unfortunately I’ll make mistakes and sadly some of those may be a little to close, hopefully I and those around me will get away with it. I don’t go about making countless calls to firms and various police forces up and down this land and know a mistake or misunderstanding when I see it but a deliberate act of stupidity or dangerous driving, my conscious could not let that go. The phone call may amount to nothing but it’s in their court then, should your man who was watching tv on his iPhone in lane 3 in a stretch where it stops suddenly quite often fail to stop and put his car into the back of another and god forbid someone loses there life I wouldn’t be happy to of let that ride. We have a duty of care to other road users further down the road aswell as those immediately around us, our licence says professional on it.
[/quote][/quote]
How many more times do I have to [zb] say this…I’m on about everyday traffic offences, general stuff, not something that could result in manslaughter ffs, …NOT ■■■■■■■■■ driving…Jeez H.Why go to the worst case scenario/worst offence possible to justify your ‘‘Responsible Citizen of the people’’ ‘‘The Traffic equalizer’’ stance, we all get it,… you feel some divine compulsion to be the ‘‘Righter of wrongs’’ in all things traffic related.
So …how do you select who should be grassed up and who should not?,
When you sit in judgement of every [zb] else on the road do you have an amnesty on say… cutting in on certain days, and on pulling out on others, then alternate them on week to week or what?
What do you do if you have too many,? log them and ring in so many per day, or does that create a backlog until it takes over from your mundane truck driving duties?
I’m really interested !!
Ok, I’m lying really I could not give a two penny [zb], I’m just astounded that you are arrogant enough to sit pontificating and judging other drivers and road users to this extent.Congratulations, you’re a paragon of virtue mate, but seriously your talents are wasted driving trucks,.a career with VOSA working your way up to Traffic Commissioner would befit your stature more.
So that said, …if you want to carry this conversation on so be it, but to be honest mate I’ve already stated what I think of people who grass up other people, and if I’m brutally honest, sorry but I get a sense of contempt and disgust even communicating with you, (it’s just the way I’ve been brought up) along with a bit of amusement, also tbf, so if you want to call it a day on this conversation I’m more than up for it.
Cheers.
[/quote]So much bile and hostility !!! Steady on flower you’ll be having episode again
robroy:
How many more times do I have to [zb] say this…I’m on about everyday traffic offences, general stuff, not something that could result in manslaughter ffs, …NOT ■■■■■■■■■ driving…Jeez H.
So these people according to you apparently aren’t as bad as a ■■■■ head off his ■■■■ behind the wheel because they’re just committing everyday traffic offences, in fact the most commonly committed offence other than speeding. I guess that’s OK then.
This truck driver killed four people, three of them children, scrolling through music on his phone.
theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … asz-kroker
This lorry driver texting on his phone killed an off-duty police officer.
itv.com/news/anglia/story/2 … for-crash/
This lorry driver fortunately just killed himself mid text conversation
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- … l-44210789
Christ I know you can be dumb but I didn’t realise just how dumb you can be.
You’ll maybe find in life that you bring on the bile and hostility yourself mate, I’ve always found in my experience that people like you who go running to authorative bodies with tales are usually about as popular as piles…just saying.
If you are going to attempt humour get it right ‘‘Having AN episode’’
Conor:
robroy:
How many more times do I have to [zb] say this…I’m on about everyday traffic offences, general stuff, not something that could result in manslaughter ffs, …NOT ■■■■■■■■■ driving…Jeez H.So these people according to you apparently aren’t as bad as a ■■■■ head off his ■■■■ behind the wheel because they’re just committing everyday traffic offences, in fact the most commonly committed offence other than speeding. I guess that’s OK then.
This truck driver killed four people, three of them children, scrolling through music on his phone.
theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … asz-kroker
This lorry driver texting on his phone killed an off-duty police officer.
itv.com/news/anglia/story/2 … for-crash/
This lorry driver fortunately just killed himself mid text conversation
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- … l-44210789
Christ I know you can be dumb but I didn’t realise just how dumb you can be.
Ffs …why won’t you people read the text.
Quote; Everyday traffic offences NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD RESULT IN MANSLAUGHTER’’ un quote.
Everyday traffic offences= cutting in/pulling out/undertaking/not signalling.
It’s like pulling ■■■■ teeth.
Not every ■■■■ offence misdemeanour or even dangerous manouvre results in death!!
Christ I know you can be dumb…etc etc.
Btw Conor, following on from my comments about you on the ‘‘Truckers meet’’ thread, somebody sent me a pic of you off Facebook.
Somehow after seeing it, your usual insults do not have the required impact.
jakethesnake:
toonsy:
jakethesnake:
In now 20 years of driving trucks, buses and coaches abroad and at home, in the country and city, I’ve not once felt an urge or a need to call the police or a company about someone else’s driving.Just as a matter of interest, if you saw a driver driving dangerously one day and the next they fatally injured someone you knew well by the same style of dangerous driving how would you feel about it all?
Probably the same way I feel about watching the late night drunks getting rowdy round town knowing full well if they scrap and a ‘wrong’ punch is thrown one of them could be dead. As happened to a mate of mine. I don’t report every drunk person I see either.
Really? I don’t see how drunks fighting on a night out and a wrong punch being thrown is comparable to…Lets say a sober driver driving a 44 ton truck, lets say looking at a screen and not looking where he is going and knocking someone over and killing them.?
Where’s the logic?
I don’t know. I’m just saying that accidents can and do happen and actions have unintended consequences.
The guy on his phone doesn’t intend to hurt or kill anyone but increases the risk by their action. The drunk on the street doesn’t intend to kill anyone in a fight but getting drunk and getting into a scrap increases risk by the action. But it can and does happen, in both instances and many more. Are we to now report everything, even non-driving issues, or are they not important?
We all know what’s right and wrong, my statement was I’ve never felt the urge to report anyone but each to their own.
toonsy:
jakethesnake:
toonsy:
jakethesnake:
In now 20 years of driving trucks, buses and coaches abroad and at home, in the country and city, I’ve not once felt an urge or a need to call the police or a company about someone else’s driving.Just as a matter of interest, if you saw a driver driving dangerously one day and the next they fatally injured someone you knew well by the same style of dangerous driving how would you feel about it all?
Probably the same way I feel about watching the late night drunks getting rowdy round town knowing full well if they scrap and a ‘wrong’ punch is thrown one of them could be dead. As happened to a mate of mine. I don’t report every drunk person I see either.
Really? I don’t see how drunks fighting on a night out and a wrong punch being thrown is comparable to…Lets say a sober driver driving a 44 ton truck, lets say looking at a screen and not looking where he is going and knocking someone over and killing them.?
Where’s the logic?
I don’t know. I’m just saying that accidents can and do happen and actions have unintended consequences.
The guy on his phone doesn’t intend to hurt or kill anyone but increases the risk by their action. The drunk on the street doesn’t intend to kill anyone in a fight but getting drunk and getting into a scrap increases risk by the action. But it can and does happen, in both instances and many more. Are we to now report everything, even non-driving issues, or are they not important?
We all know what’s right and wrong, my statement was I’ve never felt the urge to report anyone but each to their own.
At last … a non dramatic and level headed guy, showing common sense and pure logic.
robroy:
Ffs …why won’t you people read the text.
Quote; Everyday traffic offences NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD RESULT IN MANSLAUGHTER’’ un quote.Everyday traffic offences= cutting in/pulling out/undertaking/not signalling.
It’s like pulling [zb] teeth.
Not every [zb] offence misdemeanour or even dangerous manouvre results in death!!
Rob, mate, I think you’re fighting a losing battle on this because it’s such a grey area.
I agree you shouldn’t bother with everyday idiots, but what I would say is I think you’ve been on the road long enough, as have many others on here, to know the difference between being a bit feckless, making a slight error or just being outright dangerous.
It’s those dangerous ones that need the phone calls making.
I will happily admit that i have rung up a few times about drivers on phones, it took a lot but in every case it was because they were either weaving or did the classic of just slowing down. I didn’t ring the police, it’s a waste of time, I rang the company and reported it. You can call me grass all day long but I did it because I witnessed each driver being so distracted that they were not in control, and that’s when you can end up with the links that were posted. I despise drivers scrolling through phones and texting, its selfish and dangerous each and every time they do it.
I didn’t get any response from one of the calls but the others did ring back and say it was being dealt with, now maybe it was or maybe nothing happened but I’d like to think that even if a “word” was had then it might make a difference??
The only other thing I would say is that plenty on here moan about professional standards slipping, the image of the industry etc etc so if it’s so important then why is it a bad thing to weed out the scum in the industry that ruin it for everyone else? Those drivers that keep crashing and bumping things might well be costing you your pay rise and maybe even your job if the company keeps having incidents, sometimes it’s about the bigger picture and lets face it, the police are a complete waste of time…
And the heroes just keep coming ffs 