Brexit Deal AGREED!

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
81

robroy:

blue estate:

Odd days:
Just a thought. Does anybody else think that the remoaner posters are women. The drip,drip,drip, going on and on and on , never giving up about a subject. No man would have the stamina to keep it up. He would just say what ever you want I am off down the pub, just please yourself.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
Any ways their noticed by their absence tonight

The Samaritans switchboard is jammed tonight I’ve heard, and they can’t even go to the pub to cry into their pints because of the lockdown. :laughing:

You’ve got to feel sorry for them…not. :smiley:
I’ m not one to gloat, but…
Ok, fair enough I am one to gloat. :blush: :laughing:

Rob you mean cry in to their Ltr’s

Sent from my truck

82

Am I right to believe anyone who wished to remain part of the EU is to be classed as a whinger, and has no right to post their views on this forum as they don’t agree with some of you on here?

83

dave docwra:
Am I right to believe anyone who wished to remain part of the EU is to be classed as a whinger, and has no right to post their views on this forum as they don’t agree with some of you on here?

No you ain’t, they have every right.
.It’s just that most on here who did wish, (as most who ain’t on here) just cannot accept a democratic decision,.that is where the whinging comes in, which is totally pointless as the result stands and nothing will change.
Why not give it 6 months to a year to see what happens, then if they have a reason to whinge. and kick off their ‘We told you so’ s…then fill yer boots. :bulb:
The way I see it this is DAY 1.

84

Just to add a Happy EU free New Year to all our readers ffs lets get positive on this, the EU as it is ain’t gonna last. One day even Franglais will come to finally accept this (maybe).

85

short walk:
Just to add a Happy EU free New Year to all our readers ffs lets get positive on this, the EU as it is ain’t gonna last. One day even Franglais will come to finally accept this (maybe).

Well I think most of us who wanted to get to ■■■■ away from it are optimistic.
It has an air of gaining national independence about it from my own personal pov.

it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

Double bubble today,.the Toon managed to hold the Champions Liverpool to a draw, with much of their first team out of it.
The plight of a Newcastle fan,… celebrating a 0 0 draw at home. :unamused: :laughing:

86

robroy:
it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

…or the other way round :slight_smile: All bad effects of Brexit will be blamed on Covid :slight_smile: Mark my words…

Btw, I looked into that thread to see what is actually so good about Brexit finally happened, and I can’t see that anyone would actually lie down some ACTUAL benefits. I see round, general words like “freedom”, “sovereignty” and so, and the only kind-of positive thing someone said here that actually had any practical meaning was “businesses will finally adjust to the changes”. Those who point to negative aspects of that are being mocked.

But I would really like to see some arguments for it and hear some actual benefits, honestly. I am curious, as all of my pro-Brexit friends, who argued with me over years, accusing me of scaremongering when I was telling them that what’s going to happen now somehow all are like “I don’t want to talk about Brexit”, so I can’t even say my “I told you so” to them :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

As I see it, it happened exactly as I predicted. The British government was stuck on repeating “we want to eat cookie and retain it”, EU was still answering “you can’t have it both ways, either, or, or meet us in the middle”, and finnaly at the last possible moment there was a choice between:

  1. a ■■■■■■ deal, where you have to give quite a lot to keep some partial access to European markets, effectively meaning that while you’ll have less obligations as non-member, “pro-rata” you’ll have less perks for more obligation and you have no say on the rules you have to observe if you want to trade with the EU
    or
  2. no-deal Brexit, as if cutting virtually all relations and then working from the bottom up.

As I expected the British gov will at the last moment bend over to get that deal as a lesser evil.

But maybe I am wrong? Maybe the deal is EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED AND WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? Or at least, while it’s not exactly what you expected, it’s still better than being a member of the EU? If yes, please, show me how. I promise no mocking and I don’t even want to discuss it at length or anything, I am genuinely curious to hear someone being able to list me actual positives.

87

orys:

robroy:
it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

…or the other way round :slight_smile: All bad effects of Brexit will be blamed on Covid :slight_smile: Mark my words…

Btw, I looked into that thread to see what is actually so good about Brexit finally happened, and I can’t see that anyone would actually lie down some ACTUAL benefits. I see round, general words like “freedom”, “sovereignty” and so, and the only kind-of positive thing someone said here that actually had any practical meaning was “businesses will finally adjust to the changes”. Those who point to negative aspects of that are being mocked.

But I would really like to see some arguments for it and hear some actual benefits, honestly. I am curious, as all of my pro-Brexit friends, who argued with me over years, accusing me of scaremongering when I was telling them that what’s going to happen now somehow all are like “I don’t want to talk about Brexit”, so I can’t even say my “I told you so” to them :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

As I see it, it happened exactly as I predicted. The British government was stuck on repeating “we want to eat cookie and retain it”, EU was still answering “you can’t have it both ways, either, or, or meet us in the middle”, and finnaly at the last possible moment there was a choice between:

  1. a [zb] deal, where you have to give quite a lot to keep some partial access to European markets, effectively meaning that while you’ll have less obligations as non-member, “pro-rata” you’ll have less perks for more obligation and you have no say on the rules you have to observe if you want to trade with the EU
    or
  2. no-deal Brexit, as if cutting virtually all relations and then working from the bottom up.

As I expected the British gov will at the last moment bend over to get that deal as a lesser evil.

But maybe I am wrong? Maybe the deal is EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED AND WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? Or at least, while it’s not exactly what you expected, it’s still better than being a member of the EU? If yes, please, show me how. I promise no mocking and I don’t even want to discuss it at length or anything, I am genuinely curious to hear someone being able to list me actual positives.

Ok Ill start.
The ability to stop the free movement of people. If the Labour government had put restrictions on the free movement of the Polish, Latvians, Lithuanians et all in 2004 like Germany had then we would probably still be in the EU.
The government at the time woefully underestamated how many East Europeans would come to the Uk to seek work. Now dont take this the wrong way as I have worked with a lot of EE’s and they are cracking lads…BUT buisness leaders took advantage of this movement of a cheap labour force to stagnate wage growth for the working class.
In 2004 I can still remember my gaffer saying he was cutting our rates and if we didnt like it “there is the gate, I have a que of people knocking on my door”
Yes you could argue that this was not a fault of the EU but once again incompetency by the UK government, however the fact remains that the EU enlarged too quickly with an impoverished populace creating a race to the bottom.
Now before Mystic Franglais jumps in with his crystal ball, yes it remains to be seen if the Conservative government holds true to its word that it will control immigration, but they have made a good start already by declaring that any future immigration from the EU will be classed the same as immigrants from the rest of the world and will not be able to draw money from the benefit pool for 5 years.

88

orys:

robroy:
it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

…or the other way round :slight_smile: All bad effects of Brexit will be blamed on Covid :slight_smile: Mark my words…

Btw, I looked into that thread to see what is actually so good about Brexit finally happened, and I can’t see that anyone would actually lie down some ACTUAL benefits. I see round, general words like “freedom”, “sovereignty” and so, and the only kind-of positive thing someone said here that actually had any practical meaning was “businesses will finally adjust to the changes”. Those who point to negative aspects of that are being mocked.

But I would really like to see some arguments for it and hear some actual benefits, honestly. I am curious, as all of my pro-Brexit friends, who argued with me over years, accusing me of scaremongering when I was telling them that what’s going to happen now somehow all are like “I don’t want to talk about Brexit”, so I can’t even say my “I told you so” to them :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

As I see it, it happened exactly as I predicted. The British government was stuck on repeating “we want to eat cookie and retain it”, EU was still answering “you can’t have it both ways, either, or, or meet us in the middle”, and finnaly at the last possible moment there was a choice between:

  1. a [zb] deal, where you have to give quite a lot to keep some partial access to European markets, effectively meaning that while you’ll have less obligations as non-member, “pro-rata” you’ll have less perks for more obligation and you have no say on the rules you have to observe if you want to trade with the EU
    or
  2. no-deal Brexit, as if cutting virtually all relations and then working from the bottom up.

As I expected the British gov will at the last moment bend over to get that deal as a lesser evil.

But maybe I am wrong? Maybe the deal is EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED AND WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? Or at least, while it’s not exactly what you expected, it’s still better than being a member of the EU? If yes, please, show me how. I promise no mocking and I don’t even want to discuss it at length or anything, I am genuinely curious to hear someone being able to list me actual positives.

Like you I am waiting to be told what actual benefits are for me if we had stayed, and no I am not interested in being a student and going on a tax payer funded jolly round Europe.

89

Orys…I can sum it up for you about ‘‘the deal we voted for’’
Nobody that I know who voted, or expressed a preference to move away from this corrupt organisation that is the EU , say the same…ie none of us voted for ANY deal (as such) we just voted to leave, end of,.and this is what many remainers do not seem to understand.

As has been proven the EU at the best need us and at the least want us, in terms of trade, and why would they not?
Proven by the fact that despite their delaying tactics during negotiations,.(and their petty attempts to discredit and show us up in the latter days) , they did not say, ''Ok,.you’ve voted, we ain’t intersted, good riddance ', instead they waited to virtually ‘H’ hour delay tactics, to at last compromise and co.operate.
Also after finally seeing and realising that we did not bend from pressure from the remainer camp to carry out the pointless and ridiculous act of another referendum :unamused: ,.which I am sure they hoped we would, snd hoping for a u…turn on it.

I am old enough to remember pre EU days, where the UK managed fine without it,.I also remember the Common Market days, based on trade, without having to be part of some collective (here I go again) 4th Reich.

I’ve heard news reports (neutral ones Franglais :smiley: ) that already some in the higher echelons of the EU are waiting with trepidation to see which state is the next to express a notion to leave…good enough for them I say,.they are ■■■■■■■■ themselves in fear of getting chucked off their lucrative gravy train careers.

So as I said give it time to settle in, 6 months, a year,.and a chance to see how things work after the first initial 3 months chaotic settling in period,.with Covid disruptions chucked in the mix.

90

robroy:
Orys…I can sum it up for you about ‘‘the deal we voted for’’
Nobody that I know who voted, or expressed a preference to move away from this corrupt organisation that is the EU , say the same…ie none of us voted for ANY deal (as such) we just voted to leave, end of,.and this is what many remainers do not seem to understand.

I’m sure nobody voted as they did thanks to the big red bus and all the other fallacies :laughing:

91

.

92

Odd days:

orys:

robroy:
it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

…or the other way round :slight_smile: All bad effects of Brexit will be blamed on Covid :slight_smile: Mark my words…

Btw, I looked into that thread to see what is actually so good about Brexit finally happened, and I can’t see that anyone would actually lie down some ACTUAL benefits. I see round, general words like “freedom”, “sovereignty” and so, and the only kind-of positive thing someone said here that actually had any practical meaning was “businesses will finally adjust to the changes”. Those who point to negative aspects of that are being mocked.

But I would really like to see some arguments for it and hear some actual benefits, honestly. I am curious, as all of my pro-Brexit friends, who argued with me over years, accusing me of scaremongering when I was telling them that what’s going to happen now somehow all are like “I don’t want to talk about Brexit”, so I can’t even say my “I told you so” to them :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

As I see it, it happened exactly as I predicted. The British government was stuck on repeating “we want to eat cookie and retain it”, EU was still answering “you can’t have it both ways, either, or, or meet us in the middle”, and finnaly at the last possible moment there was a choice between:

  1. a [zb] deal, where you have to give quite a lot to keep some partial access to European markets, effectively meaning that while you’ll have less obligations as non-member, “pro-rata” you’ll have less perks for more obligation and you have no say on the rules you have to observe if you want to trade with the EU
    or
  2. no-deal Brexit, as if cutting virtually all relations and then working from the bottom up.

As I expected the British gov will at the last moment bend over to get that deal as a lesser evil.

But maybe I am wrong? Maybe the deal is EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED AND WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? Or at least, while it’s not exactly what you expected, it’s still better than being a member of the EU? If yes, please, show me how. I promise no mocking and I don’t even want to discuss it at length or anything, I am genuinely curious to hear someone being able to list me actual positives.

Like you I am waiting to be told what actual benefits are for me if we had stayed, and no I am not interested in being a student and going on a tax payer funded jolly round Europe.

A benefit to staying is that you didn’t used to have to go online and apply for a permit to enter Kent

Make sure you remember that from tomorrow, to avoid a big fine for driving from one part of your own country to another

Our government believes that this system is necessary to avoid turning Kent into a traffic jam waiting for French customs clearance, which up to date don’t exist

93

chrisdalott:

Odd days:

orys:

robroy:
it’s just a pity that all this Covid ceap is going to have an adverse effect on it (as with everything else) in terms of the economy, furthermore you can sure as hell bet the usual suspects will blame any of those negative effects on Brexit…mark my words. :unamused: :bulb:

…or the other way round :slight_smile: All bad effects of Brexit will be blamed on Covid :slight_smile: Mark my words…

Btw, I looked into that thread to see what is actually so good about Brexit finally happened, and I can’t see that anyone would actually lie down some ACTUAL benefits. I see round, general words like “freedom”, “sovereignty” and so, and the only kind-of positive thing someone said here that actually had any practical meaning was “businesses will finally adjust to the changes”. Those who point to negative aspects of that are being mocked.

But I would really like to see some arguments for it and hear some actual benefits, honestly. I am curious, as all of my pro-Brexit friends, who argued with me over years, accusing me of scaremongering when I was telling them that what’s going to happen now somehow all are like “I don’t want to talk about Brexit”, so I can’t even say my “I told you so” to them :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

As I see it, it happened exactly as I predicted. The British government was stuck on repeating “we want to eat cookie and retain it”, EU was still answering “you can’t have it both ways, either, or, or meet us in the middle”, and finnaly at the last possible moment there was a choice between:

  1. a [zb] deal, where you have to give quite a lot to keep some partial access to European markets, effectively meaning that while you’ll have less obligations as non-member, “pro-rata” you’ll have less perks for more obligation and you have no say on the rules you have to observe if you want to trade with the EU
    or
  2. no-deal Brexit, as if cutting virtually all relations and then working from the bottom up.

As I expected the British gov will at the last moment bend over to get that deal as a lesser evil.

But maybe I am wrong? Maybe the deal is EXACTLY WHAT YOU EXPECTED AND WHAT YOU VOTED FOR? Or at least, while it’s not exactly what you expected, it’s still better than being a member of the EU? If yes, please, show me how. I promise no mocking and I don’t even want to discuss it at length or anything, I am genuinely curious to hear someone being able to list me actual positives.

Like you I am waiting to be told what actual benefits are for me if we had stayed, and no I am not interested in being a student and going on a tax payer funded jolly round Europe.

A benefit to staying is that you didn’t used to have to go online and apply for a permit to enter Kent

Make sure you remember that from tomorrow, to avoid a big fine for driving from one part of your own country to another

Our government believes that this system is necessary to avoid turning Kent into a traffic jam waiting for French customs clearance, which up to date don’t exist

Kent ? That’s down south . Who goes there, not me so makes no difference to me.

94

msgyorkie:
The ability to stop the free movement of people.

Ok, this is some argument. Of course, as you said, this issue could be tackled to some extent without Brexit if Brtian chosed to enforce existing EU regulations.

But while you’re right that with Brexit free movement of people ends, for the most part*, you have to remember that it also ends for yourselves - was it worth it? You can say it was. I would not be so sure if I would count it as a real benefit.

*) I say “for the most part”, because for those EU citizens (and, in many cases UK citizens that live in other EU countries) freedom of movement is still a thing for the most part. For example while you are no longer allowed to go to Europe for more than 90 days at the time without a visa, to work there, study and whatnot, and when you go, you’ll need a private health insurance, I, as a resident of Britain with settled status, can go there for UP TO 5 YEARS at the time and enjoy all the rights given to me by my EU citizenship. So if someone here is to eat a cookie and retain it, it’s me :slight_smile:

robroy:
Nobody that I know who voted, or expressed a preference to move away from this corrupt organisation that is the EU , say the same…ie none of us voted for ANY deal (as such) we just voted to leave, end of,.and this is what many remainers do not seem to understand.

That’s what puzzles me, because literally EVERY Brexiter friend of mine had very specific vision as how it is going to look. Not that their visions were anywhere near the realm of “possible”, but they were assuring me, that Britain will retain all the perks, while not having to follow the rules, because, just as you say “EU at the best need us and at the least want us, in terms of trade, and why would they not?”. The thing is, tho, as showed by an unfavourable trade you had to sign, that you need them more than they need you…

So if you were indeed the one who said “I have no idea what Brexit brings, but it does not matter, I will vote for this anyway and hope for the best” then you’re the first one I met.

95

chrisdalott:
Our government believes that this system is necessary to avoid turning Kent into a traffic jam waiting for French customs clearance, which up to date don’t exist

I heard that Kent is the garden of England. From living in this country for many years I noticed that it is a very popular thing to do to pave your front garden in order to change it into a parking space. Sounds about right :slight_smile:

96

orys:

robroy:
Nobody that I know who voted, or expressed a preference to move away from this corrupt organisation that is the EU , say the same…ie none of us voted for ANY deal (as such) we just voted to leave, end of,.and this is what many remainers do not seem to understand.

That’s what puzzles me, because literally EVERY Brexiter friend of mine had very specific vision as how it is going to look. Not that their visions were anywhere near the realm of “possible”, but they were assuring me, that Britain will retain all the perks, while not having to follow the rules, because, just as you say “EU at the best need us and at the least want us, in terms of trade, and why would they not?”. The thing is, tho, as showed by an unfavourable trade you had to sign, that you need them more than they need you…

So if you were indeed the one who said “I have no idea what Brexit brings, but it does not matter, I will vote for this anyway and hope for the best” then you’re the first one I met .

Ok, but you specifically mentioned ‘What kind of deal did you vote for or expect’ that was my answer to it.
Rightly or wrongly I would have been ok with no deal, confident enough (again rightly or wtongly) that some kind of mutual negotiation would prevail, mostly because I believe both sides need each other for trade…as indeed it was proven.

97

robroy:
Ok, but you specifically mentioned ‘What kind of deal did you vote for or expect’ that was my answer to it.
Rightly or wrongly I would have been ok with no deal, confident enough (again rightly or wtongly) that some kind of mutual negotiation would prevail, mostly because I believe both sides need each other for trade…as indeed it was proven.

Yes, as I haven’t expected someone voting without at least having some imaginary vision of how it could look after Brexit.

As for “some deal have been reached because both sides neach each other” - yes, it has been. I wonder though, if this deal is benefitial compared to the deal UK had as a member of the EU? That’s why I am trying to find some positives about it, as so far I only hear negatives.

My search for positives so far has not been too fruitful, as I got:

  • “We ended free of movement, because there was too many Eastern European migrants, who’s numbers we could easily limit without Brexit but we didn’t, so now there won’t be as many of those” - but this is tied to the fact, that you ended free movement for yourself, so I am not sure if that’s such a big win
  • “Oh, I don’t know exactly, but it will work out somehow, and I believe in longer perspective we will somehow be better of, but of course I might be wrong” - which, you can admit, is not too substantian.

I honestly hope to hear more, perhaps there are indeed some benefits I failed to notice.

98

orys:

msgyorkie:
The ability to stop the free movement of people.

Ok, this is some argument. Of course, as you said, this issue could be tackled to some extent without Brexit if Brtian chosed to enforce existing EU regulations.

But while you’re right that with Brexit free movement of people ends, for the most part*, you have to remember that it also ends for yourselves - was it worth it? You can say it was. I would not be so sure if I would count it as a real benefit.

*) I say “for the most part”, because for those EU citizens (and, in many cases UK citizens that live in other EU countries) freedom of movement is still a thing for the most part. For example while you are no longer allowed to go to Europe for more than 90 days at the time without a visa, to work there, study and whatnot, and when you go, you’ll need a private health insurance, I, as a resident of Britain with settled status, can go there for UP TO 5 YEARS at the time and enjoy all the rights given to me by my EU citizenship. So if someone here is to eat a cookie and retain it, it’s me :slight_smile:

robroy:
Nobody that I know who voted, or expressed a preference to move away from this corrupt organisation that is the EU , say the same…ie none of us voted for ANY deal (as such) we just voted to leave, end of,.and this is what many remainers do not seem to understand.

That’s what puzzles me, because literally EVERY Brexiter friend of mine had very specific vision as how it is going to look. Not that their visions were anywhere near the realm of “possible”, but they were assuring me, that Britain will retain all the perks, while not having to follow the rules, because, just as you say “EU at the best need us and at the least want us, in terms of trade, and why would they not?”. The thing is, tho, as showed by an unfavourable trade you had to sign, that you need them more than they need you…

So if you were indeed the one who said “I have no idea what Brexit brings, but it does not matter, I will vote for this anyway and hope for the best” then you’re the first one I met.

Well Orys. For me, the new freedom of movement rules are no different than the last 20 years. I can still take my 3 holidays next year in Europe the same as I have been able to…well since forever. My uncle who owns a house in Spain says its no big deal, after 90 days he will get a visa.
Also every holiday I have ever taken I have had travel insurance. Next year I will still have travel insurance. Who in the right mind travels on a EHIC card alone??

99

It must be very frustrating not being told of the benefit of leaving, I know how you feel when I was never told what’s in it for ME if i voted to stay. Not interested in what anybody else wants, just what was in it for me.

100

Yes, it does not change it much if you’re a tourist. If you would like to work there, move, or study, it might not be so easy though. You never wanted to, perhaps, but some might do.