black watch

[bully]

kitkat:
ok bully i can understand your point there.but my point is this and it’s simple why does he and blair need to send thousands of troops to fight for oil if this is the case can he not negoticate with people or does he always need to resort to we’re america and you’ll do as we say or we’ll force you

YOU CANT NEGOTICATE WITH TERRIOISTS!!!

Britain has been trying to do that with the IRA for 30 years and has gotten nowhere.

Or …we dont like you so we are going to fly planes into buildings and kill a few thousand people.

If 3 or 4 planes had dropped down in the middle of london killing thousands of people through a terriost Organization then the UK public would want BLOOD.

Bully

[kitkat]

Bully:

kitkat:
ok bully i can understand your point there.but my point is this and it’s simple why does he and blair need to send thousands of troops to fight for oil if this is the case can he not negoticate with people or does he always need to resort to we’re america and you’ll do as we say or we’ll force you

YOU CANT NEGOTICATE WITH TERRIOISTS!!!

Britain has been trying to do that with the IRA for 30 years and has gotten nowhere.

Or …we dont like you so we are going to fly planes into buildings and kill a few thousand people.

If 3 or 4 planes had dropped down in the middle of london killing thousands of people through a terriost Organization then the UK public would want BLOOD.

Bully

sorry to disapoint you here bully but i think you need to catch up with the news mate,northern ireland is now no longer a war zone as the yanks would call it,we have actually reduced the number of troops out there,we have reduced the number of depots out there and they have reformed the ruc into a more appropriate police force,so talking to terrorists does work and we have proved that.

you have just clarrified wot i said earlier about 9/11,this is americas problem they want revenge ( and yes the british would want blood)but it happened in the states not here let the yanks deal with it not us or anyone else,your problem you’s sort it.

[kate_hasler]

scania king kev:
Pat would they be one of the 40 million Irish over there■■?

very weird!

Kev

40 million Irish■■? There are NOT 40 million Irish over here… there are, however, millions of people who have Irish ancestry… me for one,… but I also have English ancestry, Polish ancestry, Native American Ancestry,… ect ect. So saying that would be like calling you Welsh, Kev… since most of the Irish people originated from Wales. Lets keep this in perspective.

Bottom line is that as average citizens, whether British or American, we weren’t given the choice whether or not to invade Iraq. Personally, with or without weapons of mass destruction, I think we had bigger priorities at the time, and it wasn’t justified. But it doesn’t matter what I think, because I don’t have the power to change it and neither do you.

To blame George Bush for the decisions Tony Blair made regarding Iraq is ridiculous. George Bush didn’t coerce, threaten, or promise anything to Tony Blair to get him to agree to go to Iraq. If he had that kind of power, he would have used it to gain more international support. And lets face it, the man is a blatant idiot. Tony Blair made his own decisions for his own reasons… either he’s got his own eye on the oil, or he was looking for a way to separate the UK from the solidarity of the EU. Regardless of his reasons, if you want to blame someone for British involvement, then you need to look no further than London, just as I need to look no further than Washington. We are all saddened and angry by the deaths of all soldiers and civilians in Iraq… unfortunately we can offer nothing more than prayer and sympathy.

American people, in general, love the British… its really too bad that the sentiment isn’t reciprocated and that the majority of British people are unable to separate their hatred of US politics from their hatred of American people. It’s something that I’ve tried not to take personally, but it’s difficult not to.

On our last trip to the UK Patrick and I sat in a pub talking. The group of people at the table behind us heard my accent, and rudely started making anti-American comments, not just about the government, but about the people in general… and did it purposely so that I could overhear them. It was an ignorant and rude thing to do. Those people do not know me, they have no idea what type of person I am, but felt they could judge based solely on my accent. It doesn’t exactly make me want to hop a plane back over for another a dose. Patrick has lived here almost 5 years now has never personally met anyone who was overtly rude just because he’s British.

I used to love coming to this site… but when I constantly see anti-American comments, many of which have very little basis in fact, and feel the hatred directed toward the US,… its very difficult to continue. You would never visit the trucknet USA site and find any types of comments like this about the British. It would seem that the citizens of allied countries would in fact be allies. I guess thats too much to expect from the British.

[bully]

kitkat:

Bully:

kitkat:
ok bully i can understand your point there.but my point is this and it’s simple why does he and blair need to send thousands of troops to fight for oil if this is the case can he not negoticate with people or does he always need to resort to we’re america and you’ll do as we say or we’ll force you

YOU CANT NEGOTICATE WITH TERRIOISTS!!!

Britain has been trying to do that with the IRA for 30 years and has gotten nowhere.

Or …we dont like you so we are going to fly planes into buildings and kill a few thousand people.

If 3 or 4 planes had dropped down in the middle of london killing thousands of people through a terriost Organization then the UK public would want BLOOD.

Bully

sorry to disapoint you here bully but i think you need to catch up with the news mate,northern ireland is now no longer a war zone as the yanks would call it,we have actually reduced the number of troops out there,we have reduced the number of depots out there and they have reformed the ruc into a more appropriate police force,so talking to terrorists does work and we have proved that.

you have just clarrified wot i said earlier about 9/11,this is americas problem they want revenge ( and yes the british would want blood)but it happened in the states not here let the yanks deal with it not us or anyone else,your problem you’s sort it.

I recall during world war 2 it was OUR PROBLEM! but the yanks! (which I find offensive seeing my wifes american) still came over and helped us out did they not■■?

During the Falklands war america supplied us with ammunition and supplys But IT WAS OUR PROBLEM! some people have very short memorys.

Bully

Bully

[kate_hasler]

you have just clarrified wot i said earlier about 9/11,this is americas problem they want revenge ( and yes the british would want blood)but it happened in the states not here let the yanks deal with it not us or anyone else,your problem you’s sort it.

Tell that to all the British families who lost a loved one on 9/11. To continue to compare what happened on 9/11 to the IRA is the most ignorant thing I continue to hear from Brits. It’s very simple… the IRA is British… it was domestic terrorism… much like Timothy McVeigh and militias he represented were here. International terrorism is much different… and the US was NOT the only country effected by it. It was the WORLD Trade Center that was attacked… operative word being WORLD. It was in the US… but housed thousands of international companies, workers and representatives, many of whom died. 9/11 was an attack on the World in general… not just the US.

And I’ve had just about enough of the word “yank”…
Some of you people take more effort than your worth… I’m just about done with trucknet UK.

[kitkat]

hey don’t take the word yank to heart bully,there was no offence ment by it.it’s much the same as an american calling you,pat or anyone living in the states from the uk a brit.

yes they did help in the world war,and it was much appreciated.but this is not a world war,

and i also think blair won’t be re-elected during the next elections.

[kate_hasler]

kitkat:
hey don’t take the word yank to heart bully,there was no offence ment by it.it’s much the same as an american calling you,pat or anyone living in the states from the uk a brit.

yes they did help in the world war,and it was much appreciated.but this is not a world war,

and i also think blair won’t be re-elected during the next elections.

Yank is a very derrogatory term… much like the beloved “N” word used to describe black people… and I would guess that you wouldn’t get away with that on this site. “Brit” is an abbreviation for a Briton… the technical term for someone from Britain. Tell me how “yank” is an abbreviation for American■■?

[wheel_nut]

and i also think blair won’t be re-elected during the next elections.

I wish I had your faith KK

Unless something happens then we dont have a choice, we could vote for the mad proffessor, Mr Howard or the failed TV chat show host or continue with Tony Blair.

The Americans didnt have a choice either, George Bush or John Kerry! Who■■?

For a true insight into British Politics, you need to watch Bremner Bird and Fortune.

I know this topic has gone a long way off track and it was meant as a tribute to the Black Watch soldiers who lost their life at the hands of a terrorist suicide bomber and my symathy goes out to the families too

[jammymutt]

OK i have a few things to reply to here but i cant be bothered to do quotes…

Firstly Kate how dare you say the ira is British? i find that a disgusting and VERY derogatory statement the ira were IRISH not ■■■■■■■ British!!!.

Kitkat i think you will find that trouble is not over in Ireland in fact recent reports suggested that the ira are reforming, and trouble is rife over there, i,m sure Kev will be able to inform us on that one.

If this war is as many people have suggested a war for oil and you say the Americans are controlling the oil fields of Iraq then why is oil continuing to escalate in price?..

It is impossible to negociate with terrorists unless of course you give them a seat in your very own parliament a bit of power then they stay quiet for a bit.

I support the war in Iraq 110%, i am right behind the Americans who are our allies , always have been and always will be through thick and thin we could not hope for a better ally, just imagine having to rely on the French for support when its needed.

Kate the word yank is not meant im sure by people to be derogatory its just a name we have got used to over here dont take it to heart I am Scottish and object to being called a Jock I cant change it so i just live with it.

As for the Black Watch my deepest sympathies go out to the 3 BRAVE men who lost their lives, they are doing a job which of course involves a huge amount of danger an involves risking their lives, when the firefighters were on strike asking for far more than they are worth my suggestion was to give any pay rise to the British Forces who take a far higher risk than ANY firefighter ,my father was a member of the Black Watch for many years and fought in the second world war they are a very intelligent corp of the British Army an im sure were picked for this job because of that.

As for Bush senior finishing the job first time yes he should have BUT there would still have been the same mopping up that is needed today so really it makes little difference when it happens just as long as the job is done properly .

As fo muslims i lived in Leicester for about 3/4 years a city which has many ethnic groups i got on well with Hindu,s Siekh,s an even the odd Buddha i went to Gurdwala with the Siekhs on a Sunday and had many good times with them but in the time i was there i did NOT meet one muslim who elcomed me or wanted to be a friend , I was laughed at for using toilet paper and basically taken the mick out of just becuse i was a white Christian, i asked many of them to take me to the Mosque and was refused by EVERY one of them.

God bless the alliance we have with they “yanks” ( sorry Kate) lets just hope it never breaks off.

[pat_hasler]

Kit Kat,

The war against terrorism is a ‘World War’ if they are not stopped they will not just hit at the US, they have hit all over the world, if they get hold of nuclear weapons, mark my words, they will use them, maybe on London

It’s no good us saying “We told you so” after millions of some countries citizens have been vapourised and millions more dying of radiation poisoning.

These evil creatures are fanatical, they want the whole world to convert to extreem islam, any who don’t should be killed in their eyes, do you want you, you family, your friends to die or become part of an extreenist islamic state ?

Terrorism has to be irradicated before the whole world is irradicated, being on the offensive is the only way to do it.

And as I have stated in my own post, anti American slurs are taken as racist by me and other good people

[wheel_nut]

There was some serious discussion the other evening over dinner, and the outcome of it was that maybe the only way to solve this war on terror is to use our own WMD

It seemed as though it was the only course open to the US and UK in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many thousands of innocent & guilty people died, Many thousands of innocent people are dying at the hands of fanatical terrorists.

It seems as though you are damned if you do and youre damned if you dont.

I hope to God our opinions were wrong and God help the person who has to take such a decision.

And I hope it never happens in our lifetime,

[kate_hasler]

jammymutt:
OK i have a few things to reply to here but i cant be bothered to do quotes…

Firstly Kate how dare you say the ira is British? i find that a disgusting and VERY derogatory statement the ira were IRISH not [zb] British!!!.

I dare to say that the IRA is British because it IS in fact British. I realize that the headquarters of the IRA are in Dublin, but at the time of the development of the IRA in 1911… all of Ireland was British… like it or not… Michael Collins may have been Irish, but he was also British… that was the reason for the organization of the IRA, was it not? The independence of the southern part of Ireland after the fact, does not change that fact now, and does not change the fact that the IRA, with members and leaders in both the north and south of Ireland, are fighting for independence of Northern Ireland from Britain. It continues to be a civil issue… not an international one. I apologize if you were offended by that Jammymut, but it was not intended as a derrogatory statement, and should not be taken as one. It would be similar to stating that the Ku Klux Klan is American… it doesn’t make me a member of that group, and just because I don’t condone, approve, or affliate with them doesn’t make them any less American.

I support the war in Iraq 110%, i am right behind the Americans who are our allies , always have been and always will be through thick and thin we could not hope for a better ally, just imagine having to rely on the French for support when its needed.

Kate the word yank is not meant im sure by people to be derogatory its just a name we have got used to over here dont take it to heart I am Scottish and object to being called a Jock I cant change it so i just live with it.

God bless the alliance we have with they “yanks” ( sorry Kate) lets just hope it never breaks off.

I’m sure many Americans would appreciate the sentiment of support, just as I do… but it’s few and far between. Like I said, as average citizens we have very little control over these things, and even though there have been countless protests both in the US and UK, they have fallen on deaf ears. Our opinions mean very little to those in power.

And you’re right, the term “yank” can be thought of as lighthearted when used in a positive or humorous context… but when followed by nothing but criticism and negativity, it is apparent that its not intended that way.

[jammymutt]

http://www.theblackwatch.co.uk/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=782&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Quote "Anonymous
Unregistered

we will do the job ,
hi im a blackwatch soldier and if anyone is good enough to do the job its us we will come back victorious and stand proud as the jocks we are "

BLACK WATCH PRAYER --------------------

O god, whose strength setteth, fast the mountains.
Lord of the hills to whom we lift our eyes:
Grant us grace that we, of The Black watch,
Once chosen to watch over the mountains of an earthly kingdom,
May stand fast in the faith and be strong,
Until we come to the heavenly Kingdom of
Him, who has bidden us watch and pray.
Thy Son, our Saviour and Lord.

“Amen”

God Bless them, for it is the Black Watch who will do the job and do it well.

[runaroundtel]

Pat… as much as I would like to think that most people in the U.S. do not want to continue with the INVASION of Iran… fact is they voted Bush back in … and the oil is still flooding out of them there fields!

Kitkat… I agree… I send out my sympathy to anyone who has lost a loved one in any conflict. That is why we have a POPPY DAY. We remember. In past conflicts, we have not seen the objective of that conflict any more than remembering those who died in order to preserve freedom.
The diifference between this conflict, and previous noted ‘wars’ is that this is not about freedom or civil rights. It is about ensuring that a valuable commodity (oil) is spoils from war from war!

[kitkat]

Kitkat i think you will find that trouble is not over in Ireland in fact recent reports suggested that the ira are reforming, and trouble is rife over there, i,m sure Kev will be able to inform us on that one.

i never said that the trouble was over jammy,i said that we had reduced the number of troops and depots out there and that the ruc had been reformed into a more appropriate police force.

i think that the people of n.ireland have a better quality of life over there now compared to 10,20,30 years back when it was never off the news that a bomd had killed x amount or a family had been left devasted due to their father,brother had been shot dead by either side of the devide.

i nearly lost my wife and 7week old son in pond park lisburn in december 88 when they placed a car bomb in the housing estate,which if it had not been for the reactions of my wife in phoneing myself in the barracks she and at least 200+ would have been dead or severly injured.i know the feeling when it went bang and what the sound does to you.it’s bloody terriffing.and to this day my wife still sits there and thinks to herself about what could have happened 16years ago.

i have also seen the lows that these people will go to to get publicity,lisburn fun run in the town centre,young kids mothers all having fun,and the next thing bang,6 innocent guys (military) dead,and these guys had just came from the borders to take part in the run.1 guy who had not a mark on him and sat right in front of me and we had the blanket plus the tinfoil round him to keep him warm,just died in my arms due to shock.that feeling of hatred for the scum that done this will never leave me.

and when it’s a very close friend and his dog get killed then that hits you (we where both dog handlers)hard,especially when it’s you who has to face his wife and 3year old child.i’v never seen so many grown mem cry as i did that day at the funeral,never again do i want to see that.

[daxi]

Part of poppy day is surely not only remembering those who died, but also to remember why, the reasons are varied but always political rather than humanitarian.
Even if we belive that soldiers have to accept war as part of thier job, the same is not true of thier families & thier deaths are almost certainly the result of political & not military decisions.

[Lasurazes]

If this war is as many people have suggested a war for oil and you say the Americans are controlling the oil fields of Iraq then why is oil continuing to escalate in price?..

Jammy, as you may well know oil is bought and paid for in $U.S. (yes, even in Iraq since after the invasion) What do you reckon? Dont take a genius really does it, every dollar has to be purchased as no other currency will be accepted, and from where will these US dollars come ultimately? The power of the petro-dollar is considerable, and the U.S. obviously does not want to lose that power. And anyway who said it was for cheap oil, big oil makes more dollar when prices are high. It is the control of the oil flow and the whole region, and what currency oil is bought and sold in, not just aquiring the crude, that would have been cheaper to buy, so, a short term gain for all of dubya’s friends in expensive crude, and a long term gain for US interests via stable supply and regional ■■■■■■■■■■ if the invasion succeeds. That aint rocket science.

[v8_karl_v8]

kitkat:
i never said that the trouble was over jammy,i said that we had reduced the number of troops and depots out there and that the ruc had been reformed into a more appropriate police force.

i think that the people of n.ireland have a better quality of life over there now compared to 10,20,30 years back when it was never off the news that a bomd had killed x amount or a family had been left devasted due to their father,brother had been shot dead by either side of the devide.

true

[ralliesport]

This is my own thaughts

IRAQ: It needed to be done, maybee not now but a few years down the line. I think this would have happened if this action had not of happen: Iran would have developed a nuclear capability, Iraq would have had no choice but to develop its own, either there would have been another war between these two countries or the iotollahs would have tried & possibly succeded in bringing Saddam Hussein down (probably assasination) , this would have left these two countries with a nuclear capability right at the door step of Israel. Israel would have responded by trying to destroy the nuclear capability and of course the arabs would have responded, the americans would deploy to protect Israel (and so would the british) and we would have full scale war in the middle east.

Obviosly Iran is trying to develop a nuclear capability and I fully expect (and hope) Israel will destroy this capability. But in this senario the US & British armed forces are on Irans dorstep so I doubt they would be foolish enough to respond. Eventually Iraq will be democratic and hopefully this will force the other arab countries to do the same, most probably by there own peoples forcing them too.

Of course oil is important to the west although our reliance is dropping but there is more demand coming from the east, india & china especially. which is pushing prices up and will continue to do so.

The IRA were formed by HIS MAJESTIES SUBJECTS, wether they or you liked it or not. so yes they were british.

[ralliesport]

Mal:

If this war is as many people have suggested a war for oil and you say the Americans are controlling the oil fields of Iraq then why is oil continuing to escalate in price?..

Jammy, as you may well know oil is bought and paid for in $U.S. (yes, even in Iraq since after the invasion) What do you reckon? Dont take a genius really does it, every dollar has to be purchased as no other currency will be accepted, and from where will these US dollars come ultimately? The power of the petro-dollar is considerable, and the U.S. obviously does not want to lose that power. And anyway who said it was for cheap oil, big oil makes more dollar when prices are high. It is the control of the oil flow and the whole region, and what currency oil is bought and sold in, not just aquiring the crude, that would have been cheaper to buy, so, a short term gain for all of dubya’s friends in expensive crude, and a long term gain for US interests via stable supply and regional ■■■■■■■■■■ if the invasion succeeds. That aint rocket science.

But there are more US$ outside the US than inside