anisboy:
As above except that the lines denote that if a cyclist is in the cycle lane, then a vehicle should not enter it whilst in the vicinity of the cyclist. It gives the cyclist a small percentage of priority, which they have anyway, over the passing vehicle which would not necessarily occour if there were no lines to denote that.
We have several of this type of lane in Bristol and they work very well. In fact we have more problems with vehicles that won’t enter them when there isn’t a cyclist using them.
Agreed, but they encourage close overtakes by motorists and persuade cyclists to filter on the inside rather than the offside where sometimes it is safer. As you have said, when marked with a broken line as here, vehicles may enter the lane and even stop in it. Only when it is a solid line are vehicles prohibited from entering (except of course for HGVs where unavoidable).
I heard the whole show and thought it was well balanced.
I did’nt hear any truck bashing at all.
The reason the bus driver was not blamed is because he was not to blame, and the cctv on the bus proved it.
The car driver was to blame, he flung his door open in one movement without looking, and the incident happenend in the holloway road in london, which is a very busy road. The car also had ilegal tints on the window, and the driver showed no remorse.
The dead cyclists father was, IMO, a very calm and sensible guy.
The lae used to be,that when overtaking a stationary vehicle,you left enough room for a door to be opened.
I remember a driver being fined for catching the door of a stationary vehicle,admittedly this was a few years ago,and the volume of traffic etc is far heavier.
Rule 67 of the Highway Code for cyclist’s.
You should
look all around before moving away from the kerb, turning or manoeuvring, to make sure it is safe to do so. Give a clear signal to show other road users what you intend to do (download ‘Signals to other road users’ (PDF, 102KB))
look well ahead for obstructions in the road, such as drains, pot-holes and parked vehicles so that you do not have to swerve suddenly to avoid them. Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path
Acualy I thought the cyclist is to blame its using the road so comes same rules
I.e I’m driving down the road and someone opens there door and Knock the door off with my car who’s fault is it? mine for not leaving enough space.
The Bike licence isn’t a bad idea make them sit though videos about vehicle blind spots and why HGV’s take up all the road at junctions when turning so stupid cyclist don’t go ooo look there’s a space right next to that truck what’s turning left (alot don’t even check your back lights)
commonrail:
i turn my radio off between 1200 and 1400…job done
+1
Same here, I can’t stand either him or the other oxygen thieves that ring in.
I’m sure he views himself as an impartial beacon of enlightened thinking rather than his real role as a sort of executive stress toy, that talks back, for Britain’s lower middle class that are stupid enough to still think their vote, or opinion, counts for something.
so, the car driver was careless & didnt look, the cyclist was far too close to the parked cars, the bus driver was too close to the cyclist…
All 3 to blame then.
K5Project:
Acualy I thought the cyclist is to blame its using the road so comes same rules
I.e I’m driving down the road and someone opens there door and Knock the door off with my car who’s fault is it? mine for not leaving enough space.
Mate, you’re wrong. In that scenario the law would be on your side.
K5Project:
Acualy I thought the cyclist is to blame its using the road so comes same rules
I.e I’m driving down the road and someone opens there door and Knock the door off with my car who’s fault is it? mine for not leaving enough space.
Mate, you’re wrong. In that scenario the law would be on your side.
It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about blaming the cyclist
triple-tango:
so, the car driver was careless & didnt look, the cyclist was far too close to the parked cars, the bus driver was too close to the cyclist…
All 3 to blame then.
Your wrong.
In this instance, the car driver was to blame.
So hot on the heels of another 10 page thread on cyclists we are back to them again, it’s great to see cyclists getting so muCh time on a trucking forum. So what have I learned?
Cyclists need training.
Cyclists don’t need training.
They should be on the pavement.
They should keep off the pavement.
They should not be in the middle of the road.
They should avoid parked cars by staying in the middle of the road.
They should have bright lights.
Their lights are too bright.
They should pay to use the road.
They pay to use the road.
They are cycling too fast.
They are too slow.
They are always at fault.
They are never at fault.
They should use the cycle lanes.
The cycle lanes are blocked by cars, vans etc.
Apologies if I’ve missed any out but they change so quickly and are so many it’s hard to keep up. Oh well, off for a ride.
I thought the whole reason the car driver was charged was due to the illegal tinting on his front windows that blocked 80%+ of light, thus causing him not to be able to see out!
When we all learnt to drive the mantra was Mirror ,signal then Manouver. Opening the door should be regarded as a manouvre.I have no problem with other road users with the exception of horse riders, they boil my p$ss mainly with their stuck up I have more money than you attitude.I dont mind a pair of tight little buttocks bobbing up and down in front of me but when they are on the phone riding two abreast braying away at each other.Grr,grr.
I think cyclist should be on the list of words filtered out with a [zb] then we wouldn’t keep having these threads going round in circles all the time.
In the interests of balance it’s ok to put truck in the bad word list on cycling forums.
rambo19:
I heard the whole show and thought it was well balanced.
I did’nt hear any truck bashing at all.
The reason the bus driver was not blamed is because he was not to blame, and the cctv on the bus proved it.
The car driver was to blame, he flung his door open in one movement without looking, and the incident happenend in the holloway road in london, which is a very busy road. The car also had ilegal tints on the window, and the driver showed no remorse.
The dead cyclists father was, IMO, a very calm and sensible guy.
Agree with all this ^
The bus driver wasn’t too close, but the cyclist was thrown into his path. The cyclist didn’t hit the open door, the door was pushed out into him (scratches on bike frame support this). I get the impression that the car driver was a self-important jumped up selfish git. He obviously had no regard for the law with the over tinted windows, which meant that he couldn’t see out properly (even if he had bothered to look), and the cyclist couldn’t see that there was someone in the car - which may have given him a bit of warning. He showed no remorse and obviously thought he was the only person on the road.
I’m not a fan of cyclists, but obviously would not wish any of them any harm, and to that end, being on the road, is not a safe place for them to be. In this instance though, I think the cyclist was completely innocent. But sadly, being innocent and in the right, doesn’t make him any less dead.
Thought his dad was very dignified.
You can’t throw a sheet of metal into a live traffic lane! Which is in effect, exactly what the car driver did.
If cyclists all rode wide enough out into the road allowing for a door to open there would be a huge row of traffic stuck behind them, you would all then moan
OP, you don’t mention that the guy who opened his car door had tinted windows letting in only 17% of light. It’s illegal to have tinted windows in any glass past the B post i.e driver’s door
K5Project:
Acualy I thought the cyclist is to blame its using the road so comes same rules
I.e I’m driving down the road and someone opens there door and Knock the door off with my car who’s fault is it? mine for not leaving enough space.
Mate, you’re wrong. In that scenario the law would be on your side.
It’s not about right or wrong, it’s about blaming the cyclist
As I’ve said before, right and wrong are nowhere if someone is dead or in the ICU.
I had an advanced instructor once that said ‘whatever accident you are in, you are always at least partially to blame.’
It is very rare to have a situation where, even if you are legally in the right, an action on your part could not have prevented the incident occurring.
Cycling is like motorcycling and carries a perceived risk. Motorcyclist have to pass a test and, if you’ve got any sense at all you’ll move on to advance training - it is no guarantee of safety but it definitely helps. Cyclist are not required to do any training which is bound to leave them somewhat wanting in certain situations. Obviously exceptions will apply, but the fact is that a high percentage of cyclists ride without any notion of how vulnerable they are. Young cyclists (under 16) have undergone very little to no training on the road. They are at high risk of damaging themselves as they also tend to suffer from a feeling of indestructibility at that age.
Cyclists have every right to use the road. But while they share it with motor vehicles they will get squashed from time to time. It’s a risk you take if you cycle.
rambo19:
I heard the whole show and thought it was well balanced.
I did’nt hear any truck bashing at all.
The reason the bus driver was not blamed is because he was not to blame, and the cctv on the bus proved it.
The car driver was to blame, he flung his door open in one movement without looking, and the incident happenend in the holloway road in london, which is a very busy road. The car also had ilegal tints on the window, and the driver showed no remorse.
The dead cyclists father was, IMO, a very calm and sensible guy.
Agree with all this ^
The bus driver wasn’t too close, but the cyclist was thrown into his path. The cyclist didn’t hit the open door, the door was pushed out into him (scratches on bike frame support this). I get the impression that the car driver was a self-important jumped up selfish git. He obviously had no regard for the law with the over tinted windows, which meant that he couldn’t see out properly (even if he had bothered to look), and the cyclist couldn’t see that there was someone in the car - which may have given him a bit of warning. He showed no remorse and obviously thought he was the only person on the road.
I’m not a fan of cyclists, but obviously would not wish any of them any harm, and to that end, being on the road, is not a safe place for them to be. In this instance though, I think the cyclist was completely innocent. But sadly, being innocent and in the right, doesn’t make him any less dead.
Thought his dad was very dignified.
You can’t throw a sheet of metal into a live traffic lane! Which is in effect, exactly what the car driver did.
And I agree with all this.
The car was parked in a proper parking space, then the bike lane,then the bus lane. If the lad had hogged the bus lane (with the London bus driver leaning on his hooter ) he would have been alive today.
Vine is biased because he rides in London, but that dosen’t mean I disagree with him.
If cyclists all rode wide enough out into the road allowing for a door to open there would be a huge row of traffic stuck behind them, you would all then moan
OP, you don’t mention that the guy who opened his car door had tinted windows letting in only 17% of light. It’s illegal to have tinted windows in any glass past the B post i.e driver’s door
We used to fit these glass tints and in my experience they stop people seeing in, not drivers seeing out. By the sound of it, the driver didn’t look or even think about a cycle, a motorcycle or a 44 tonne truck.
Cyclists and motorcyclists used to get knocked off when we used wing mirrors and Ford Consuls, there should be no excuse with wide angle door mirrors.
But like BigR250 I ride a motorcycle and tend to treat everyone as an idiot, even lorry drivers
