April 3rd

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Oh god funniest post so far. Same old same old from 10 20 years ago.

Go ahead do it don’t drive the job will still get done by the employers bringing in agency staff and you’ll be told sorry your laid off or sacked. We’re not that hard done by these days in reality the rates won’t take the wage increases your looking for full stop. And your living in a dream world if you think rates will go up to pay for your wage increase. What needs to happen is drivers actually start negotiating there wage packets in properly. If they don’t like it move on your it’s simple

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OVLOV JAY:
Someone put the third instead of the first :wink:

+1

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So we have established 70% of drivers are happy/unwilling to be in a union or stand up for themselves, I ask one last question is this a good wage bad wage or average wage?

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mshenderson:
So we have established 70% of drivers are happy/unwilling to be in a union or stand up for themselves, I ask one last question is this a good wage bad wage or average wage?

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Two things - it’s agency and it’s temporary.

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But it would more than likely end up permanent but the question was about the wage!

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Well your comparing apples with oranges - I’ll say again its agency and its temporary so therefore completely unreflective of a full time contracted permanent position.

It could be £50 an hour but if it’s only for 40 hours for the one week followed by 3 weeks of nothing/nada/zip its no comparison.

Find an advert for a full time, contracted 48 hour, permanent role with similar rates, then it will be relevant.

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mshenderson:
But it would more than likely end up permanent but the question was about the wage!

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Well according to the How much do you earn thread, 1 in 5 drivers would think it about average or a bit low and the the rest would think it’s more than they earn.

But it’s an agency job, temporary, we don’t know what the condition for getting £18ph are?
The other thing is what is the average in the area, an average rate in one part of the country can be very different to another part of the Country

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discoman:
Hang on, I didn’t say I was better than a person. I said I am above being a driver, that role is beneath me… I had a set amount of deliveries to be made in 5 days … poor planners, I did it in 4 got paid 5 days … you know job and knock. I decided as said jobs not for me … …

Just because you went on there for one week, and crucified the work even though you got paid the same, doesn’t make it any better, the lads that were on that job obviously had a nice little number going, didn’t have to bust a gut, get home on Friday job done. By running around it in one day less means that the employer will think, if that new guy can why these long timers do, and bang, cushy little number gone :unamused:

By saying that you are above being a driver, the role is beneath you, is in effect saying that you are better than Me. I’ve only ever wanted to drive trucks, from as young an age as I can remember. I’ve been an employed driver for 31 years, tramping for the best part of 27 years, yes the job has changed some for the worse some for the better, but nothing stands still. Sad as it might be to you, truck driving defines who I am, and I make no apology for that, especially to some one, who’s tried to walk in my shoes for one week, decided it wasn’t for them, that’s fine, but then comes here to tell me how wrong I’ve led my life, If I want to park in a ■■■■ stinking lay by, what is it to you, if I want to sit and cook at the side of my cab on a summer evening what is it to you, if I want to enjoy a beer and a chat to some other drivers in a truckstop what is to you. I don’t know what this life that you took too is, but I’m pleased its given you the life you yearned for. Don’t you dare have the audacity to tell Me I’m leading My life wrong, only My Wife has the right to do that, and She don’t, She accepts that this what I do, this is what defines Me, in fact Us, and so far its given us a good life.

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So what is this job?

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mshenderson:
So what is this job?

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Crap. Your point being?

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Because I believe some drivers would be happy on this as long as they get a new shiny truck

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And it more than crap because it’s ADR work

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No one is saying there isn’t an issue in the industry with long hours and poor pay, but your solution is unrealistic as many have told you and you’re start getting all mardy with them.

There are good jobs out there and bad ones, if you want to do something to improve the industry, then go after the bad employers, that is much more likely to work than a day of not working.

But the biggest problem you have, is you’ve come across as an angry little man who has a temper tantrum when you don’t get the response you want, I wouldn’t follow you to the Chippy let alone out on strike.

And yes I am in a union and I do stick up for myself and I do work for good employers.

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I’ve no doubt your right but that’s their choice and more fool them.

BUT I think there are less and less of them as time goes on.

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mshenderson:
Because I believe some drivers would be happy on this as long as they get a new shiny truck

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Well according to this thread

Only 2% of driver would accept it, the reasons why could be many and various.

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discoman:
Comparisons of a truck driver to a train driver. Oh dear, a truck driver …takes a week. To pass a test to train a train driver takes. 12 months minimum …not as simple as a simple truck driving job … all due respects, people who would rather spend 5 days in a tin box rather than be at home with the family have themselves to blame… if not happy with your wage quit and move on …you lot choose to be mugged off by employers.

err - what exactly do train drivers do that is oh so onerous? no route planning as someone else is controlling the points, no steering wheel to attend to as they’re on rails. they did once have to look out for red lights but since they were going through them like london cyclists at rush hour, they have even automated that bit.

As for the STRIKE; no mention of it in google news search so clearly no one is taking this remotely seriously. Although some interesting stuff regarding the coal truckers bringing Pretoria to a standstill !

It’s a pity nothing will ever be organised as the job is more important than anyone ever gives credit for. Apart from the massive safety implications of operating lorries and the need for highly responsible pople to drive them - If HGV drivers walked out at midnight the UK would be in complete and utter chaos in under 24 hours, the lorry is vital to virtually everything that happens, esp now with our just-in-time infrastructure

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I am not an angry little man, I know my worth and what I would not work for, people are saying hgv drivers are not skilled and are easy to replace, I totally disagree with this and I totally respect my fellow truck drivers

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mshenderson:
I am not an angry little man, I know my worth and what I would not work for, people are saying hgv drivers are not skilled and are easy to replace, I totally disagree with this and I totally respect my fellow truck drivers

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You can take somebody off the streets and have them delivering goods in a truck in 1 or 2 weeks, of course if you apply yourself and you can move into more demanding jobs or get better at the basics, but still 2 weeks does not make a skill.

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Bluey Circles:

discoman:
Comparisons of a truck driver to a train driver. Oh dear, a truck driver …takes a week. To pass a test to train a train driver takes. 12 months minimum …not as simple as a simple truck driving job … all due respects, people who would rather spend 5 days in a tin box rather than be at home with the family have themselves to blame… if not happy with your wage quit and move on …you lot choose to be mugged off by employers.

err - what exactly do train drivers do that is oh so onerous? no route planning as someone else is controlling the points, no steering wheel to attend to as they’re on rails. they did once have to look out for red lights but since they were going through them like london cyclists at rush hour, they have even automated that bit.

This ^^^^
How it takes 12 months to learn how to drive something that more or less drives it’s self is laughable, so is the 45k a year.

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^^ You don’t have 200 people in your trailer.

(Unless you’re coming through Calais).