fourth- If you see one flying up the inside you can time it right and give them a slap, be the last time they do it 
m_attt:
fourth- If you see one flying up the inside you can time it right and give them a slap, be the last time they do it
Job done. 
m_attt:
fourth- If you see one flying up the inside you can time it right and give them a slap, be the last time they do it
Exactly what I was thinking I can see the cyclist in court now, “I woz sneaking up the inside of the lorry when the 'orrible driver who had his flasy fings on gave me the hint that he woz turning left by smacking me in the chops wiv this bleeding great lump of tin wot had summink written on it.”
The American bus sign idea ia brilliant and I am sure has been suggested many times but unfortunately the cycling brigade would find it against their human rights and downright wrong. Their huge lobbying power would soon put a stop to it. I know there has been a fuss somewhere over the wording of one of those stickers on the back of some HGVs - because it was ‘telling’ the cyclists what to do instead of ‘asking politely’.
The problem is that cyclists are well represented in the right places by various organisations and carry a huge amount of ‘power’. Unfortunately the HGV/PCV world is basically represented by RHA and FTA who are old, out-of-date, withered and useless. if anyone saw the Top Gear cycling episode you’d have seen the ‘powers-that-be’ that look after the cyclists rights and what jumped up knobs they are.
I ride green lanes on motorbikes, I am a member of an organisation that campaigns to keep such lanes open etc yet slowly one by one the ‘ramblers’ are out fighting us and these green lanes are being closed or restricted to no powered vehicles. They can walk almost anywhere they like in our green and pleasant land, but they want to walk on the few miles of green lanes left for us motorists to use and they campiagn very well and have well-to-do campaigners turn up at council meetings, road safety initiatives etc and they seem to have a far more powerfull presence with well connected and respected representatives.
This is what the cyclist brigade have - they have people campiagning for them in all the right places meaning the haulage industry in general becomes the easy target for blame/legislation etc. of course Boris cannot be seen to offend or upset these well-to-do people because he needs their support to keep his job.
Unfortunately it is ‘us’ as an industry that will have to make it work as more and more cyclists hit the streets. it is a huge shame a 30 yeard woman is killed in such a way and I have no idea exactly what happened but do suspect it was all out of the drivers hands and he more than likely did all he thought he needed to do.
peterm:
We have distributed more than six million Think Bikes stickers to drivers to put on their side mirrors to remind them to think bikes but obviously much more needs to be done to stop this carnage.’How the [zb] hell much more can possibly be done ! You can’t legislate for stupidity. I feel sorry for the poor bugger driving the tipper. They’re not much better over here, so stupidity’s a world wide thing.
Agreed in Perth they are even more stupid ! you get Mopeds, Motorbikes and even cars trying to squeeze in a gap that doesn’t exist - how many others have checked the left mirror and all is ok - look straight and within an milli second look back in the left mirror and there is some goon sitting in the turn circle.
On the back of the trailers I pull it say’s IF YOU CAN’T SEE MY MIRRORS I CANT SEE YOU - DO NOT OVERTAKE TURNING VEHICLE !!!.
It’s horrible someones life has ended but, what more can one do to stop this reoccuring. 
shep532:
The American bus sign idea ia brilliant and I am sure has been suggested many times but unfortunately the cycling brigade would find it against their human rights and downright wrong. Their huge lobbying power would soon put a stop to it. I know there has been a fuss somewhere over the wording of one of those stickers on the back of some HGVs - because it was ‘telling’ the cyclists what to do instead of ‘asking politely’.The problem is that cyclists are well represented in the right places by various organisations and carry a huge amount of ‘power’.
I think it goes along the lines of lets push the cycling agenda because that lowers the wage expectations of the working class.While the socialists like it because it plays to their delusions of the politics of envy in which they see more cyclists on the road as part of their class war agenda. 
The result being yet more victim culture in which they continue to want and get carte blanche to keep riding around the nearside of possibly left turning trucks and buses and then blame truck/bus drivers when the inevitable happens.
In which case I think if I was unlucky or stupid enough to drive a truck regularly in London at least then it would probably be best to order it as left hand drive in the same way that most Italian trucks were right hand drive,in that case to stop them putting the nearside wheels over the side of a mountain not a cyclist. 
Until it seems that they decided,probably rightly in that case,that the risk of taking out an over taking lambretta rider while moving/turning to the offside exceeded the risk of going over a mountain to the nearside. 
All of which in this case seems to be outweighed by the risk of running over an undertaking cyclist on the nearside. So at least left hand drive tippers and dump trucks in London it is.
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
It seems totally unjustified to be arguing amongst yourselves, this was a tragedy for both the Family and the Driver. but the fact is this type of accident will continue until both sides accept that they have a responsibility to prevent such accidents. I know that this has been an agenda item for traffic safety, but I am still amazed that cyclists do not appear to realise the dangers of stopping beside heavy trucks at junctions.It has nothing to do with cyclists ‘stopping’ beside trucks at junctions.The left turn issues that we keep seeing are all/mostly about them filtering along the nearside then ‘undertaking’ trucks ‘through’ junctions as the truck turns left.Cyclists stopping ‘before’ entering the junction and waiting for any truck/s to clear it in that situation is the solution not the cause.Which is obviously a one sided solution.Until everyone concerned gets that idea then these incidents will keep happening.
Carryfast, you are an absolute K**b, How can you say that it has nothing to do with cyclists stopping beside trucks at Junctions, Are you a road safety expert ? do you know that none of these accidents occur this way NO of course not, so may I suggest that you put your tiny moronic amount of brain cells into gear before you open that Trap of yours, because you talk nothing but Verbal Diarrhoea.
yoyo5:
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
It seems totally unjustified to be arguing amongst yourselves, this was a tragedy for both the Family and the Driver. but the fact is this type of accident will continue until both sides accept that they have a responsibility to prevent such accidents. I know that this has been an agenda item for traffic safety, but I am still amazed that cyclists do not appear to realise the dangers of stopping beside heavy trucks at junctions.It has nothing to do with cyclists ‘stopping’ beside trucks at junctions.The left turn issues that we keep seeing are all/mostly about them filtering along the nearside then ‘undertaking’ trucks ‘through’ junctions as the truck turns left.Cyclists stopping ‘before’ entering the junction and waiting for any truck/s to clear it in that situation is the solution not the cause.Which is obviously a one sided solution.Until everyone concerned gets that idea then these incidents will keep happening.
Carryfast, you are an absolute K**b, How can you say that it has nothing to do with cyclists stopping beside trucks at Junctions, Are you a road safety expert ? do you know that none of these accidents occur this way NO of course not, so may I suggest that you put your tiny moronic amount of brain cells into gear before you open that Trap of yours, because you talk nothing but Verbal Diarrhoea.
But then it isn’t me who’s stupid enough to get run over by a left turning truck in the middle of the junction and a cyclist doesn’t get from where they were safe on the stop line at traffic lights into the middle of a junction where they then get run over by a left turning truck by not moving.IE bearing in mind that ‘stopping’ where they are in that case would actually save them and that the stop line isn’t actually the ‘junction’.I’m guessing you’re just another thick cyclist agenda appeasing zb with obvious ongoing results.
m_attt:
fourth- If you see one flying up the inside you can time it right and give them a slap, be the last time they do it
Finally!!!
I was beginning to think I would have to point out the added benefit of the swing out sign [emoji38]
On another note, I’m starting a whip round to buy Carryfast a bike, who’s in?
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newmercman:
m_attt:
fourth- If you see one flying up the inside you can time it right and give them a slap, be the last time they do itFinally!!!
I was beginning to think I would have to point out the added benefit of the swing out sign [emoji38]
On another note, I’m starting a whip round to buy Carryfast a bike, who’s in?
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I’d prefer the left hand drive tipper idea.Then I can not only see them I can also open the door on them and knock them onto the pavement instead of running them over in the middle of a junction.With the win win situation that they can’t get their MP to stop me unlike the sign idea.
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
It seems totally unjustified to be arguing amongst yourselves, this was a tragedy for both the Family and the Driver. but the fact is this type of accident will continue until both sides accept that they have a responsibility to prevent such accidents. I know that this has been an agenda item for traffic safety, but I am still amazed that cyclists do not appear to realise the dangers of stopping beside heavy trucks at junctions.It has nothing to do with cyclists ‘stopping’ beside trucks at junctions.The left turn issues that we keep seeing are all/mostly about them filtering along the nearside then ‘undertaking’ trucks ‘through’ junctions as the truck turns left.Cyclists stopping ‘before’ entering the junction and waiting for any truck/s to clear it in that situation is the solution not the cause.Which is obviously a one sided solution.Until everyone concerned gets that idea then these incidents will keep happening.
Carryfast, you are an absolute K**b, How can you say that it has nothing to do with cyclists stopping beside trucks at Junctions, Are you a road safety expert ? do you know that none of these accidents occur this way NO of course not, so may I suggest that you put your tiny moronic amount of brain cells into gear before you open that Trap of yours, because you talk nothing but Verbal Diarrhoea.
But then it isn’t me who’s stupid enough to get run over by a left turning truck in the middle of the junction and a cyclist doesn’t get from where they were safe on the stop line at traffic lights into the middle of a junction where they then get run over by a left turning truck by not moving.IE bearing in mind that ‘stopping’ where they are in that case would actually save them and that the stop line isn’t actually the ‘junction’.I’m guessing you’re just another thick cyclist agenda appeasing zb with obvious ongoing results.
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
yoyo5:
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
Carryfast, you are an absolute K**b, How can you say that it has nothing to do with cyclists stopping beside trucks at Junctions, Are you a road safety expert ? do you know that none of these accidents occur this way NO of course not, so may I suggest that you put your tiny moronic amount of brain cells into gear before you open that Trap of yours, because you talk nothing but Verbal Diarrhoea.But then it isn’t me who’s stupid enough to get run over by a left turning truck in the middle of the junction and a cyclist doesn’t get from where they were safe on the stop line at traffic lights into the middle of a junction where they then get run over by a left turning truck by not moving.IE bearing in mind that ‘stopping’ where they are in that case would actually save them and that the stop line isn’t actually the ‘junction’.I’m guessing you’re just another thick cyclist agenda appeasing zb with obvious ongoing results.
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
Assuming you’re trying to say that truck drivers turning left,are running over cyclists,who are already sitting stationary in the middle of a junction.As opposed to cyclists undertaking a left turning truck through a junction,it seems clear enough that its you who is the moronic cyclist agenda appeaser together with the expected personal insults to prove it because you haven’t actually got anything intelligent to say.
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Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
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You are wasting your time with this one I’m afraid. He hasn’t driven a lorry for 15 years or a bike for probably 50 years or so making his lunatic rantings irrelevant. But he has got access to the internet making him an instant expert in any topic he wishes, all from the comfort of his armchair. He’s a troll of the highest order and doesn’t need anymore feeding.
BillyHunt:
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
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You are wasting your time with this one I’m afraid. He hasn’t driven a lorry for 15 years or a bike for probably 50 years or so making his lunatic rantings irrelevant. But he has got access to the internet making him an instant expert in any topic he wishes, all from the comfort of his armchair. He’s a troll of the highest order and doesn’t need anymore feeding.
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No the only trolls are those obvious full on members of the cyclist agenda getting onto a site ‘by drivers’ 'for ‘drivers’ and trying to make the case that cyclists being run over at junctions by left turning trucks isn’t at least 95% the fault of the zb’d up thinking of that cyclist agenda.
As those like you have made clear with the idea of lets undertake and try to outrun a truck across a junction instead of waiting for the truck in question to clear it.
However if the mods think that it is me who is trolling then they can obviously put their reasoning here.
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
Carryfast:
yoyo5:
Carryfast, you are an absolute K**b, How can you say that it has nothing to do with cyclists stopping beside trucks at Junctions, Are you a road safety expert ? do you know that none of these accidents occur this way NO of course not, so may I suggest that you put your tiny moronic amount of brain cells into gear before you open that Trap of yours, because you talk nothing but Verbal Diarrhoea.But then it isn’t me who’s stupid enough to get run over by a left turning truck in the middle of the junction and a cyclist doesn’t get from where they were safe on the stop line at traffic lights into the middle of a junction where they then get run over by a left turning truck by not moving.IE bearing in mind that ‘stopping’ where they are in that case would actually save them and that the stop line isn’t actually the ‘junction’.I’m guessing you’re just another thick cyclist agenda appeasing zb with obvious ongoing results.
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
Assuming you’re trying to say that truck drivers turning left,are running over cyclists,who are already sitting stationary in the middle of a junction.As opposed to cyclists undertaking a left turning truck through a junction,it seems clear enough that its you who is the moronic cyclist agenda appeaser together with the expected personal insults to prove it because you haven’t actually got anything intelligent to say.
HA HA well you cease to amaze me, it now appears that you cannot even read, No where do I say that the cyclist is already sitting in the middle of the Junction, in fact I never mention anywhere about sitting in the middle of any junction. Please open up you eyes and re-read the post, I only mentioned cyclists who are stopping besides trucks at junctions when the trucks are about to turn left. BESIDES look it up in a dictionary. And I really do not need to throw insults about as you do a good enough job of making yourself look like a K**B.
yoyo5:
HA HA well you cease to amaze me, it now appears that you cannot even read I never mention anywhere about sitting in the middle of any junction. Please open up you eyes and re-read the post, I only mentioned cyclists who are stopping besides trucks at junctions when the trucks are about to turn left.
I’d suggest that it is you who needs the reading lessons.If that doesn’t say cyclist sitting stopped in the middle of the junction nothing does.IE the truck has to first ‘enter the junction’ ‘before’ ‘it starts’ ‘turning left’.
It is obvious that for a cyclist to get run over by a truck,in the middle of a junction,by a left turning truck,that both had ‘entered’ ‘the junction’ at the same time and truck was actually in the process of turning ‘within’ the junction.
While,with few if any exceptions,the cyclist was undertaking the truck through/in the junction.Probably based on that idiotic thinking that the cyclist can clear the junction before the truck enters it and starts turning.
While it is obvious to anyone with even the slightest intelligence that no cyclist can possibly get run over by a left turning truck assuming that cyclist waits/stops and doesn’t ‘enter’ the junction and ‘waits’ for the truck to ‘enter’ it and clear it.Cyclists not generally being known for having the slightest intelligence hence the problem.IE which part of,if the cyclist waits at the line and/or not enters the junction together with and at the nearside of a truck, then the cyclist won’t get run over by a left turning truck within the junction,don’t the cyclists understand.
Now what was that old tv sit-com called with Richard Briers and Penelope Wilton in the cast? Oh yes, I remember now, ‘Ever Decreasing Circles’ was what it was called, the past few days of this thread reminds me of it!
Pete.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
You are wasting your time with this one I’m afraid. He hasn’t driven a lorry for 15 years or a bike for probably 50 years or so making his lunatic rantings irrelevant. But he has got access to the internet making him an instant expert in any topic he wishes, all from the comfort of his armchair. He’s a troll of the highest order and doesn’t need anymore feeding.
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No the only trolls are those obvious full on members of the cyclist agenda getting onto a site ‘by drivers’ 'for ‘drivers’ and trying to make the case that cyclists being run over at junctions by left turning trucks isn’t at least 95% the fault of the zb’d up thinking of that cyclist agenda.
As those like you have made clear with the idea of lets undertake and try to outrun a truck across a junction instead of waiting for the truck in question to clear it.
However if the mods think that it is me who is trolling then they can obviously put their reasoning here.
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By drivers for drivers, you are neither, and haven’t been for years, I both cycle & drive lorries, every working day, including today. You have no idea what you’re talking about on this subject, but that’s never stopped you before. You just keep on trolling.
BUY BUY Carryfast, you have been relegated to the waste bin. 
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Im Sorry matey, You really have lost the plot. So where in my post do I stick up for cyclists ? so where in my post do I show any agenda to appease anybody ? NO WHERE I just called you on your moronic reply and I can do so again, as you have again opened your massive Gob and spewed more Rubbish as is almost all of your very naïve ranting’s. And to claim that the poor victims of these tragic accidents are stupid, just shows what a moronic imbecile you really are,.,.,.
You are wasting your time with this one I’m afraid. He hasn’t driven a lorry for 15 years or a bike for probably 50 years or so making his lunatic rantings irrelevant. But he has got access to the internet making him an instant expert in any topic he wishes, all from the comfort of his armchair. He’s a troll of the highest order and doesn’t need anymore feeding.
No the only trolls are those obvious full on members of the cyclist agenda getting onto a site ‘by drivers’ 'for ‘drivers’ and trying to make the case that cyclists being run over at junctions by left turning trucks isn’t at least 95% the fault of the zb’d up thinking of that cyclist agenda.
As those like you have made clear with the idea of lets undertake and try to outrun a truck across a junction instead of waiting for the truck in question to clear it.
However if the mods think that it is me who is trolling then they can obviously put their reasoning here.
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By drivers for drivers, you are neither, and haven’t been for years, I both cycle & drive lorries, every working day, including today. You have no idea what you’re talking about on this subject, but that’s never stopped you before. You just keep on trolling.
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You supposedly drive a truck.But you can’t understand the simple fact that a truck has to first enter a junction ‘before’ starting to turn left within it.While you think that the best option for a cyclist is to try to undertake the truck through the junction on the basis that the cyclist will be able to outrun the truck and clear the junction before the truck enters it.Because of the supposed danger of the truck turning left when the cyclist waits/stays at the line/before the junction.
So I’m guessing that your idea of turning left with a truck is obviously to ‘start’ turning left on the line/before entering the junction,as opposed to well after you’ve actually entered the junction.In which case it is anyone’s guess where you think your rear wheels will go.So you supposedly drive a truck but you obviously don’t even know how to make a left turn with one.