Simple solution to problem which should satisfy both sides
1 - You are approaching a set of traffic lights and there is a cyclist waiting there already. Pull up behind them and stop. When the lights change,let them go. If they turn or go the same way as you then pass them when safe and be on your merry way. Precious little time lost by either party
2 - You are a cyclist. You approach a set of traffic lights and see a truck waiting there already. Pull in behind it. When the lights change,let it move off. Precious little time lost by either party
If both sides can follow this pretty simple logic (ie form an orderly queue) then im guessing there will be a marked reduction in deaths involving cyclists and trucks.
And apologies if this link has been posted before. I dont have the mental strength to check 119 posts
The-Snowman:
Simple solution to problem which should satisfy both sides
1 - You are approaching a set of traffic lights and there is a cyclist waiting there already. Pull up behind them and stop. When the lights change,let them go. If they turn or go the same way as you then pass them when safe and be on your merry way. Precious little time lost by either party
2 - You are a cyclist. You approach a set of traffic lights and see a truck waiting there already. Pull in behind it. When the lights change,let it move off. Precious little time lost by either party
If both sides can follow this pretty simple logic (ie form an orderly queue) then im guessing there will be a marked reduction in deaths involving cyclists and trucks.
And apologies if this link has been posted before. I dont have the mental strength to check 119 posts
Rule 73 logically just translates into what I’m saying in practice.
Whereas your rule 2 for cyclists is obviously,in their view,if you see a truck ahead of you or by the side of you stopped at a red light light undertake it because you will be fast enough to get by it and clear of it before it can possibly enter a junction and turn left.Do not under any circumstances attempt to stop or wait before a junction to allow a large vehicle to turn left because that presents a risk of being wiped out by the cut in when the driver starts turning before entering the junction.
As for 1 in an ideal world yes but assuming the driver doesn’t follow it then rule 73 should still apply and will probably save your life assuming the truck then turns left.
Carryfast:
Rule 73 logically just translates into what I’m saying in practice.
Whereas your rule 2 for cyclists is obviously,in their view,if you see a truck ahead of you or by the side of you stopped at a red light light undertake it because you will be fast enough to get by it and clear of it before it can possibly enter a junction and turn left.Do not under any circumstances attempt to stop or wait before a junction to allow a large vehicle to turn left because that presents a risk of being wiped out by the cut in when the driver starts turning before entering the junction.
As for 1 in an ideal world yes but assuming the driver doesn’t follow it then rule 73 should still apply and will probably save your life assuming the truck then turns left.
Im not pro cyclist. I havnt ridden a bike since school. They do my head in the way they act like they own the flippen road with no regard for their own safety by running red lights,mounting the pavement at will,weaving in and out of traffic,move out to pass stationery vehicles without even looking,dont use lights at night etc and then scream blue murder when something happens to them.
But like it or not we have to share the road and both sides need to get along and respect each others road usage and requirements.
And I havnt read all the posts and arguing and name calling etc but im guessing rule 73 nullifies a lot of pro-cyclists arguments regarding junctions and traffic lights.
Carryfast:
Rule 73 logically just translates into what I’m saying in practice.
Whereas your rule 2 for cyclists is obviously,in their view,if you see a truck ahead of you or by the side of you stopped at a red light light undertake it because you will be fast enough to get by it and clear of it before it can possibly enter a junction and turn left.Do not under any circumstances attempt to stop or wait before a junction to allow a large vehicle to turn left because that presents a risk of being wiped out by the cut in when the driver starts turning before entering the junction.
As for 1 in an ideal world yes but assuming the driver doesn’t follow it then rule 73 should still apply and will probably save your life assuming the truck then turns left.
Im not pro cyclist. I havnt ridden a bike since school. They do my head in the way they act like they own the flippen road with no regard for their own safety by running red lights,mounting the pavement at will,weaving in and out of traffic,move out to pass stationery vehicles without even looking,dont use lights at night etc and then scream blue murder when something happens to them.
But like it or not we have to share the road and both sides need to get along and respect each others road usage and requirements.
And I havnt read all the posts and arguing and name calling etc but im guessing rule 73 nullifies a lot of pro-cyclists arguments regarding junctions and traffic lights.
So far its a stand off between rule 73 and left hand drive tippers in London and a whack round the head with a stop sign for any cyclist who disagrees v the cyclist rule 2 of undertake and outrun any truck that looks like it might be making a left turn ahead or at the side.
BillyHunt:
Fancy that, they cleared the junction before the tipper turned, who’d a thought that it was even possible.
Firstly the cyclists seem to have undertaken the truck and cleared it before the lights turned green.While we also don’t know exactly how close the tipper was to the junction when the lights turned green IE a few back.All of which meant the cyclist/s were gone before the truck entered the junction and started turning and ironically the idiot had more chance of knowing the cyclist/s were there because he’d just overtaken them before turning left.
While your idea is obviously a case of Russian roullette like most cyclist logic.
I agree with CF, why did he pass the cyclists knowing he was stopping and then turning left?
The cyclists were stupid going up the side of the tipper, that’s not in dispute, not unless you’re a ■■■■■ but the tipper driver wasn’t any better than the cyclists.
If one of them had been squished then the tipper driver could be held accountable for it because of his actions here.
While I would never condone the cyclists going up the inside of any vehicle, maybe they didn’t realise he was going to turn left as he didn’t start indicating until they were inside him. No wonder they shot away from the lights.
As for overtaking them where he did, sorry chaps but that’s the norm in any town & city these days. I’ve tried to explain this before but even when sat at the lights a vehicle will pull up next to you, encroaching into the green box, supposedly the safe area for cyclists.
BillyHunt:
While I would never condone the cyclists going up the inside of any vehicle, maybe they didn’t realise he was going to turn left as he didn’t start indicating until they were inside him. No wonder they shot away from the lights.
As for overtaking them where he did, sorry chaps but that’s the norm in any town & city these days. I’ve tried to explain this before but even when sat at the lights a vehicle will pull up next to you, encroaching into the green box, supposedly the safe area for cyclists.
Yep that whole encroaching the green box safe area for cyclists, is just stupid, get them where you can see them. Also has had been said, the tipper guy could off waited instead off overtaking, might have saved an egg cup off diesel into the bargain, but for the Cyclist, who was on an unlit bike, and not wearing any higher visibility clothing to then go through that gap was asking for trouble. Pointless Cycling warrior shouting at them, as they would have been wired to their Ipod
I’m slowly reaching the conclusion that most of the cyclists in London are tipper drivers commuting to/from work.IE the tippers are being driven as badly as the bicycles.It’s a tight 90 degree turn so why the zb is the tipper driver only about two feet if that from the kerb on the approach when he needs to be sitting as close as possible to the centre line in that situation.
As for the cyclist he’s obviously,like all the rest,going by the idea that he will be able to outrun the truck from the lights before the truck starts turning,
Well thats two in a row that got away from the tipper, you don’t even see that last cyclist again, you’re going to have to start believing it some time. That’s a stupid move by the cyclist coupled with some pish poor driving skills from the tipper driver, not making the turn, tut tut.
