Bikemonkey:
Some money is better than no money!! …some of you are just utter [zb]'s no wonder some employers would rather employ the Polish!!!..If I had a business I would employ them too,Instead the of lazy,moaning,whinging British,who wont get out of bed for less than a tenner to do a job that any monkey can do with a couple of weeks training!!
ffs its not rocket science or brain surgery and as has been said previously,at least the employer is giving people the chance of a job.
jonnytruckfest:
I’m on an apprenticeship, the minimum wage for an apprentice is about £2.50 or something or other, I took the job because I couldn’t find anything else plus the company is a good one to work for…and offered more money too. So when people complain about low wages, I’m doing just fine. £200 a month goes to my parents and the rest goes on what I want to spend it on. So I’m not doing all bad.
Cheers
Jonny
Well my hat’s off to you Jonny. Good to see not all the younger generation prefer to sit at home with there xbox, dole money and sense of entitlement. You’ll go far in this game with that attitude and ethic unlike half the heros on here
Thanks mate, I couldn’t stand being on the dole not just for the fact of feeling like I was scrounging off of the state but having to go into the job centre every 2 weeks to watch all the beady eyes on you giving you evils But even the woman who interviewed me at the job centre was surprised that I was going in for my interview asking to be taken off of the dole with my letter of congratulations you’ve got the job etc. As I’ posted on here a while back I had a little bother at the start with transport to get to work and with the clocking in and out machine but all is sorted. The fact I’m earning my own money makes me feel better knowing I can go out with money in my pocket knowing it was well earned…Don’t get me wrong I’m still one of the young lads that loves to play on the playstation and all that but there’s a time and a place for it, when I clock on for work on day 1 I’m in work mode, when I clock out on day 4 I’m on my time until my 4 days are up and I can go back into work and do it all over again And if not for my job I wouldn’t be able to do up my room how I want it to be, starting with a new computer being ordered tomorrow
You start at the bottom and work your way up, I’m still at the bottom but I have a long time yet to get to the top I’ll get knocked down but there’s no harm in climbing back up
jonnytruckfest:
Thanks mate, I couldn’t stand being on the dole not just for the fact of feeling like I was scrounging off of the state but having to go into the job centre every 2 weeks to watch all the beady eyes on you giving you evils But even the woman who interviewed me at the job centre was surprised that I was going in for my interview asking to be taken off of the dole with my letter of congratulations you’ve got the job etc. As I’ posted on here a while back I had a little bother at the start with transport to get to work and with the clocking in and out machine but all is sorted. The fact I’m earning my own money makes me feel better knowing I can go out with money in my pocket knowing it was well earned…Don’t get me wrong I’m still one of the young lads that loves to play on the playstation and all that but there’s a time and a place for it, when I clock on for work on day 1 I’m in work mode, when I clock out on day 4 I’m on my time until my 4 days are up and I can go back into work and do it all over again And if not for my job I wouldn’t be able to do up my room how I want it to be, starting with a new computer being ordered tomorrow
You start at the bottom and work your way up, I’m still at the bottom but I have a long time yet to get to the top I’ll get knocked down but there’s no harm in climbing back up
Cheers
Jonny
so you get £4 50 per hour so take home about £210 a week do you think you could pay rent or morgage on that.How old are you and are the firm just useing you when they have to pay more will it be bye bye jonny.
Immigrant:
now listen.
The one Company i worked for paid £6.50 Monday to Freiday from 06.00 to 18.00 and £9.- sat,Sunday,Bank Holiday and Overtime.It also gave a £50.- Bonus every week.
48 Hour day gave me minimum £370.- take Home and highest before Tax was £944.-/Week
Have the Payslip still here
44 Tonne Ton:
“Apprenticeship” = excuse to pay less than minimum wage. Nice one, for the gaffers. No big surprise to see Tosscos’ crop up in this thread.
But have we not always had that is some way or another as years ago we had apprenticeships then they were re names as YTS then something else so whatever you want to call them this has being going on since time began
It may be low payed but you can claim working tax credit etc
Yep wages have gone down over the years but we do live in 2012 & not the 80;s any more things have changed but maybe some of the large firms maybe to blame for this driving down prices but hey if he could offer me at least 4 night out a week I may be interested could come home at weekends as long as my wages were in bank at the end of week/mth then fine by me
skids:
One thing that narks me off is the people who are quite happy to take tax credits to top up a low paid job when they can but wont get a higher paid job. To me it is sponging. I have been on tax credits myself when I needed to be but now don’t recieve any.
If you take child benefit (payable for people on 40k still) then that’s presumably sponging as well?
Oops I took a tax rebate - that’ll be sponging too - I should be handing all my earnings over to those thieving gits that run the country eh?
I’ll take a higher paid job when there’s a higher paid job to be had!
I’ve already said I don’t anticipate one being available until 2016 and beyond.
Wasting my money working twice as many hours with twice as many commute trips for hardly any extra money isn’t my idea of getting by.
There’s no pride to be had from effectively paying to go to work because its 50 hours x £7 per hour over 6 shifts. I’m quite happy to work 50 hours for £10 ph in 5 shifts, so where’s the duff worth ethic in that? Not bothering to goto work because the shift gross doesn’t meet £100? - If I’d be losing a third in deductions, and the round trip costs £25 in fuel, then why TF not?? If such work is available weeks on the spin, then I’ll work the weeks on the spin until it dries up like it seems to after every damned bank holiday around here! If I’m sitting on my arse at home, it’ll be because I didn’t get the 5x10 hours I wanted for the week. I’m not interesting in commuting for short shifts, working for less than £10ph, or taking less than 25 hours worth of work in one go - because I’d be penalised in some way if I do, be it losing most of my pay in fuel costs, or outright work more hours for less money. I’f THAT is sponging, then I’d better be ready for my next boss to ask me if I could just work on one of those tesco style apprentice things where they just pay your expenses right? He might think I’m some mug who’s too prideful to turn down a bum deal that looks like it came from a 52-deck of arses!
Low paid work shouldn’t be treated as if it were crack cocaine basically is all I’m saying.
Taking a low paid job keeps the pay for that job low, removes a full time number of hours from the economy, and does the big-picture driving economy no favours. Most importantly, it makes one an addict to long hours, often away from home.
I’ve done my decades of long hours, but I’m not old enough to consider retirement yet. Maybe all those pensioners getting a state pension are sponging as well though right? - It’s a state handout after all!
It’s as if people around the further country are conspiring in the race to the bottom that is today’s labour market!
From experience, I’d argue the cost of living around the country is pretty similar, and yet there are current government arguments for dropping payscales outside of the southeast which I don’t agree with at all - FFS I’m trying to argue the corner of many of you on here that live outside the southeast! Back me up or go quietly into the night if you’re all too hard-of-thinking to see what the government is doing to the workforce without even token resistance from us!
If being a “typical southeasterner” makes me some kind of scumbag (because north-south divide is what this critisism of me is really all about right?), then it would explain why the words “prosperous” and “southeast” so often go together. It seems we have the right mindset down here to push ahead our lot compared to the rest of the country - because it looks like the 1980-86 recession is returning with a vengeance!
44 Tonne Ton:
“Apprenticeship” = excuse to pay less than minimum wage. Nice one, for the gaffers. No big surprise to see Tosscos’ crop up in this thread.
Indeed , when i left 6th form in 1986 aged 18 the government of the day called it the YTS (youth training scheme) formerly YOP (youth opportunities scheme) i worked for a sign company as a trainee sign writer, i was “trained” in the loosest sense of the word, in emptying bins making tea for the gaffers, sweeping up and making “smudge” a term given to mixing all the dregs of gloss paint tipped in one tin mixed together and used to paint the backs of pub signs, i was paid the standard wage of £28.50 per week £5 spent on bus fare for the week and £10 given to my dad for board money which left me with the princely sum of £13.50 to live off, nowadays they call them apprenticeships or the american word which i hate “internships” for the office jockies, somethings never change.
I did a YTS 1982-83 as a laboratory technician. I got to make the tea, was taught how to run the cleaning facillities, and actually got to handle scientific equipment when clearing up after dissections!
Of course, as soon as the period of £25pw was up, they just got the next job centre guy in… “There’s no budget to take on anyone full time” they said. Yet, there was enough “work” (no training really eh?) to keep the YTS busy week in, week out.
The experience I got from there didn’t get me another job, since all the other education establishments & drug firms like UCL or Wellcome were looking for people with degrees rather than a handful of O levels.
The first job I got paying the same as the next guy clocking in was truck driving…
Thus I’d argue that a C+E licence is worth more than any number of GCSE/ ‘O’ levels!
I wonder how much a DCPC certificate will be worth in two years time?
jonnytruckfest:
If you don’t like how much they’re paying, look for another job and stop complaining for [zb] sake. What’s [zb] to you maybe good to someone else. I’m on £4.50 an hour (£6.28 after 7pm - 9pm) working in a warehouse 48+ hours a week , I’m due a rise next month of 25p and another 50p in another 3 months time. But I don’t complain because what I earn at the end of the month is more important to how much I earn per hour.
I wouldn’t turn my nose up at near on £7 an hour but it also depends on the hours you do, there’s no use being on £10 an hour if you’re only working a 20-30 hours a week compared to 40 - 60 hours a week on £7 an hour. That’s before overtime & night out money. Like I said what doesn’t suit you may suit someone else, if you don’t like it. Move on and stop complaining. That’s my 2 bob anyway
Cheers
Jonny
yep.
i got 150.- Austrian shilling a week for 6 month,then 180.- for a Year,and after 3,5 year when i’ve done my last Examen and got my Certificate i also got the Great money,and a Job when a un-trained got no job.
It pays back,to work for less and gain Knowledge
This term “apprenticeship” thats being used on here.
By no stretch of the imagination can what Johnnytruckfest is doing be classified as an apprenticship in the correct sense of the word.
A genuine apprenticship would have proper qualifications at the end of it, and would in times gone by have been secured by indentures.
They would also have been for a fixed term, usually till age 21.
They may call them apprenticeships in an attempt to put a gloss on the them and to avail the bosses of the opportunity to pay lower wages, but thats all they are.
This is not intended to belittle JTF but to put these schemes in the correct light.
I will accept that an employer MAY take on a young worker that he doesn’t need if the wage costs are low enough and that this gives an otherwise unemployed young person a job and some experience.
But if this low wage policy is extended into adult wages, then we as taxpayers (by means of increased taxation) subsidise the employer be way of tax credits and benefits etc.(as lots of the posts above mention)
Which in turn means less money is available for spending , driving down the economy further.
Then, employers make lesser profits and look to cut cost further , which means usually jobs, so the merry go round continues in a downward spiral.
A bit like watching a dog chase its’ tail…lots of action but no results.
so you get £4 50 per hour so take home about £210 a week do you think you could pay rent or morgage on that.
I doubt any young apprentice has ever had that luxury even in Carryfasts eutopian decades
As I remember it I was getting around £20 per week in 1975 when I started at the age of 16 in the truck manufacturing industry.The difference is though that,just like the rest of those who joined the firm at the same time,I knew that it was a cheap labour excercise to benefit the employer not us and it would probably be a miracle if any of us were kept on after the 4 year training period was up and therefore got the full rate of pay for the job.
In my case I managed to turn it to my own advantage by working my way into the driving side of the job rather than the factory work one which at least got me out of the factory on the road first driving a van then 7.5 tonner and a free class 2 licence when I was 21 paid for by the firm and I was a lot happier doing that for the same/better money as I would have earn’t in the factory.No surprise though that just as we all knew we were all made redundant very soon after reaching the age where we went onto the full adult rate in my case the better one of an HGV 2 test driver ( £110 per week for 40 hours +overtime),compared to getting less to actually build the things.
However I don’t remember any ‘apprentice’ type pay rates being needed to start working in a warehouse.For that job I’d have expected to go onto the ‘full’ pay rate for the job from the start.The question is has jonnytruckfest asked the question as to exactly how much his pay rate will be after he’s fully ‘qualified’ as a warehouse operative compared to what he’s getting now and what type of guarantees has he been given that it’s not just a cheap labour excercise in which he’s only got a job for as long as he’s prepared to accept the present wage and if not exactly what will his rate actually be if/when he is ‘qualified’.
However ironically in my case things actually got worse after that ‘utopian’ decade of the 1970’s starting with having to take a £30 per week pay cut working as a driver for the county council in 1980 using exactly the same logic as jonnytruckfest’s of it was that or the dole.
And as I’ve said my last job in the industry and the best it ever got was around the same type of wage as the one which is the subject of the topic for around 50 hours per week on night trunking.On that note have you got any idea of what rents and house prices are like living in Surrey.
del949:
This term “apprenticeship” thats being used on here.
By no stretch of the imagination can what Johnnytruckfest is doing be classified as an apprenticship in the correct sense of the word.
A genuine apprenticship would have proper qualifications at the end of it, and would in times gone by have been secured by indentures.
They would also have been for a fixed term, usually till age 21.
They may call them apprenticeships in an attempt to put a gloss on the them and to avail the bosses of the opportunity to pay lower wages, but thats all they are.
This is not intended to belittle JTF but to put these schemes in the correct light.
I will accept that an employer MAY take on a young worker that he doesn’t need if the wage costs are low enough and that this gives an otherwise unemployed young person a job and some experience.
But if this low wage policy is extended into adult wages, then we as taxpayers (by means of increased taxation) subsidise the employer be way of tax credits and benefits etc.(as lots of the posts above mention)
Which in turn means less money is available for spending , driving down the economy further.
Then, employers make lesser profits and look to cut cost further , which means usually jobs, so the merry go round continues in a downward spiral.
A bit like watching a dog chase its’ tail…lots of action but no results.
del949:
This term “apprenticeship” thats being used on here.
By no stretch of the imagination can what Johnnytruckfest is doing be classified as an apprenticship in the correct sense of the word.
A genuine apprenticship would have proper qualifications at the end of it, and would in times gone by have been secured by indentures.
They would also have been for a fixed term, usually till age 21.
They may call them apprenticeships in an attempt to put a gloss on the them and to avail the bosses of the opportunity to pay lower wages, but thats all they are.
This is not intended to belittle JTF but to put these schemes in the correct light.
I will accept that an employer MAY take on a young worker that he doesn’t need if the wage costs are low enough and that this gives an otherwise unemployed young person a job and some experience.
But if this low wage policy is extended into adult wages, then we as taxpayers (by means of increased taxation) subsidise the employer be way of tax credits and benefits etc.(as lots of the posts above mention)
Which in turn means less money is available for spending , driving down the economy further.
Then, employers make lesser profits and look to cut cost further , which means usually jobs, so the merry go round continues in a downward spiral.
A bit like watching a dog chase its’ tail…lots of action but no results.
You’ve made my point about “modern apprenticeships” for me. These get rich quick for gaffers schemes bear no resemblance to anything I’d regard as an apprenticeship. Once again, just an excuse to get round the minimum wage legislation which is pitiful in itself.
jonnytruckfest:
If you don’t like how much they’re paying, look for another job and stop complaining for [zb] sake. What’s [zb] to you maybe good to someone else. I’m on £4.50 an hour (£6.28 after 7pm - 9pm) working in a warehouse 48+ hours a week , I’m due a rise next month of 25p and another 50p in another 3 months time. But I don’t complain because what I earn at the end of the month is more important to how much I earn per hour.
I wouldn’t turn my nose up at near on £7 an hour but it also depends on the hours you do, there’s no use being on £10 an hour if you’re only working a 20-30 hours a week compared to 40 - 60 hours a week on £7 an hour. That’s before overtime & night out money. Like I said what doesn’t suit you may suit someone else, if you don’t like it. Move on and stop complaining. That’s my 2 bob anyway
Cheers
Jonny
yep.
i got 150.- Austrian shilling a week for 6 month,then 180.- for a Year,and after 3,5 year when i’ve done my last Examen and got my Certificate i also got the Great money,and a Job when a un-trained got no job.
It pays back,to work for less and gain Knowledge
Is this Britain that you’re talking about or the German system where ‘training’ actually does translate as learning the skills needed to work in industry and then having a guaranteed job and German type wages at the end of it all unlike how things have been done here for years.If so you’re comparing two totally different types of economy but the fact is in the race to the bottom the German ideal can’t/won’t stay immune forever.
In my experience here earning zb all for the privilege of getting the qualifications to work in industry is pointless because the potential future wage levels and job stability don’t justify it.There’s plenty of university graduates here working for minimum wage in restaurants etc because that’s all that’s available because our government prefers the idea of cheap imports than paying our own workers more to work in industry.
But how does your idea of exams,qualifications and certificates etc translate into the job of driving trucks for a living anyway .
…some of you are just utter [zb]'s no wonder some employers would rather employ the Polish!!!..If I had a business I would employ them too,Instead the of lazy,moaning,whinging British,who wont get out of bed for less than a tenner to do a job that any monkey can do with a couple of weeks training!!
But even the woman who interviewed me at the job centre was surprised that I was going in for my interview asking to be taken off of the dole with my letter of congratulations you’ve got the job etc. As I’ posted on here a while back I had a little bother at the start with transport to get to work and with the clocking in and out machine but all is sorted. The fact I’m earning my own money makes me feel better knowing I can go out with money in my pocket knowing it was well earned…Don’t get me wrong I’m still one of the young lads that loves to play on the playstation and all that but there’s a time and a place for it, when I clock on for work on day 1 I’m in work mode, when I clock out on day 4 I’m on my time until my 4 days are up and I can go back into work and do it all over again 
I’ll get knocked down but there’s no harm in climbing back up 
Nah, hate kids 
If such work is available weeks on the spin, then I’ll work the weeks on the spin until it dries up like it seems to after every damned bank holiday around here! If I’m sitting on my arse at home, it’ll be because I didn’t get the 5x10 hours I wanted for the week. I’m not interesting in commuting for short shifts, working for less than £10ph, or taking less than 25 hours worth of work in one go - because I’d be penalised in some way if I do, be it losing most of my pay in fuel costs, or outright work more hours for less money. I’f THAT is sponging, then I’d better be ready for my next boss to ask me if I could just work on one of those tesco style apprentice things where they just pay your expenses right? He might think I’m some mug who’s too prideful to turn down a bum deal that looks like it came from a 52-deck of arses! 
- FFS I’m trying to argue the corner of many of you on here that live outside the southeast! Back me up or go quietly into the night if you’re all too hard-of-thinking to see what the government is doing to the workforce without even token resistance from us! 
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